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Was Mr. Sir a transgender?


I think maybe s/he may have been. At the end when (/spoilertag you find out Mr. Sir's name is Marion and they say "I didn't know that was a man's name", and Mr. Sir says "It ain't" /endspoilers). It would make sense for him to want to be called Mr. Sir if he used to be a woman who underwent gender change surgery. Keep in mind this was released in 2003, when transgenderism wasn't as accepted, so s/he would be a little self-consciouns about it.

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It never crossed my mind. I would have to research that more.

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Like, don't you know that just in case HE was transgender, you should be using the correct pronoun, HE, don't you know that even if you just make an honest mistAke with a pronoun, the person in question can actually shrivel and die on the spot? WAKE UP!!

Just the fact that you used such an offensive example as "s/he" proves you're evil and not fit to live with the rest of us in the PC real world.

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Good joke Ariana.

Anyway Mr. Sir never crossed me as being a woman. I felt like that last line from him was just one of defeat. He considers it a womans name too and he isn't keen on it.

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I'd love to see you in the moonlight with your head thrown back and your body on fire.

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They where useing "s/he"gust in case so if mr.sir is trangender or not it won't be ofencive to the Mr.sir so why don't you wake up:D you social worrior.

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I doubt it.
I think they were just implying that he had been made fun of a lot as a kid for his girly name.

Hence why he was so mean,aggressive,and hates the teenagers at Camp green lake so much.
Maybe in some twisted way he thinks he's getting revenge for his child hood torture,by being so mean to the boys.

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This is hilarious. I never took his "it ain't" response to suggest that he was born a female. Like others have said, he just happened to be given a girly name - or rather a unisex name that was later seen as mostly a girl’s name - and he was likely mocked for it throughout his life. And by calling himself Mr. Sir (lol) he merely wants to emphasize his manliness, haha.

By the way, the ooohs coming from the boys after Mr. Sir says it isn't a man’s name… funny stuff.

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Marion is a man's name, though rare these days. John Wayne's real name was Marion.

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Marion was a man's name centuries ago, even John Wayne had to change it when he hit the big time in the 1930s.

Since Mr. Sir was presumably born in the 1930s, like Jon Voight was, naming a boy "Marion" in those days was an act of wanton cruelty.

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I forgot John Wayne was born centuries ago. Yes, names change, but you still find men named Marion, though not commonly.

I might mention Marion Motley the football player. He was of John Wayne's era.
Or Marion Jones the basketball player. He was born in 1975.

Neither of these men changed their name. Actors change names for many reasons.

One site I checked mentioned there are 257,000 in the US named Marion of which 29% are men. That is about 7400 men named Marion.

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Yes, actors change their names for all sorts of reasons, including birth names that are unfashionable or dorky.

People have studied these things say that there's a known process, in which male names become female names over time, but female names never become male names. Did you know that Joyce and Florence used to be men's names?

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Yes. You seem to have ignored the fact that Marion is still used for men today. It didn't end centuries ago as you imply. Perhaps the two professional athletes didn't think Marion was a dorky name since they kept them. One of them was a contemporary of John Wayne.

Actors, on the other hand, change names all the time. Sometimes because they think a different name will be more attractive. Sometimes because their name duplicates another actor's name. Sometimes their agent insists on it. Why Wayne changed his name I couldn't say.

This discussion is reminding me of one I had on the Star Trek Discovery board of the female character named Michael. People were insisting it wasn't a woman's name. It didn't make any sense. They ignored it when I pointed out that contemporary woman with the name Michael exist today. (Michael Learned for one)

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During my lifetime, names like "Sidney", "Marty" and "Morgan" have gone from being men's names to mostly women's names. I wonder if "Michael" will be next, or will have made the transition by the Star Trek era!

As for "Marion"... I can't help it if some people haven't gotten the memo.

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This is going nowhere.

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Michael Learned was born in the 30's.

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The look he gave everyone after he said "it ain't" I always thought was odd. It was though he was admitting to not being a man.. it's subtle though.

Obviously he got into big trouble with the law when he was a she..

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