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Was Mr. Sir Actually A Woman?


I realize Jon Voight is no woman. In the part where Mr. Sirs real name is revealed to be Marion and the kids say "I didn't know that was a mans name" he replied "it ain't". Was it implying he was also not a man? Like hiding out as a man from the law. It seemed a ambiguous response to me.

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I don't think that is the reason at all. That thought never crossed my mind.

I think part of his meanness came from the fact he was bulled at school for having a girls name. So, that in turn turned him into a man trying to be the badass.

Guess it never really crossed my mind since it was just a movie.

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I didn't think so either but my brother did so I had to ask. Thanks!

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No, he was just given a woman's name.

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Marion (like "Florence") was originally a man's name.

And lest you think it is a feminine name, do a search on the most famous Marion ever: Marion Morrison.

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But in the context of the film, it is stated that it's a girl's name. It has some meaning to the character that it is a girl's name, so that's what is important.

It did cross my mind that somehow he was a really ugly trans man, but I know a guy who wouldn't tell me his name for a week because he thought it was a girl's name, and so I get the reason why Mr Sir would be such a bully and have the kid's call him Mr. Sir. If my friend could have, he would have changed his name as a child, and not let anyone know his birth name. Some guys really take being feminine as the biggest insult. -_-

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It wasn't that Marion was a girl's name; it was that many people now consider it a girl's name and Mr. Sir was insecure about that. I think the author was trying to make a parallel to John Wayne.

It's always been kind of a gender-joke that the quintessential "Man's Man" was really named "Marion".

I saw an episode of that show King of the Hill a few weeks ago and they were talking about John Wayne and someone said his real name was 'Marion' and the main guy Hank guy mad and said "You take that back right now!"

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YOUR vagina.

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What about my favorite. Francis Marion. The Swamp Fox of the American Revolution. John Wayne changed his name from Marion Robert Morrison, I guess, he didn't want to be too manly.

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John "The Duke" Wayne.

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Marion is one of those names that started as a man's name but became a woman's name. It went through the same transition that names like "Taylor", "Sam" and "Sidney" are currently undergoing. What happens is that some parents decide they can name their daughter that man's name, it catches on and then no one wants to name their son with that name as it is now considered a girls name.

The thing where Mr. Sir was named Marion might have been a reference to John Wayne (nee: Marion Morrison)

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Boy named Sue by Johnny Cash all i'm saying

~I'm not bad I'm just drawn that way~

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The Duke, John Wayne...real name Marion!

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