The best sea war movie of all time!


Master and Commander is not for watching, it is for *experiencing*. To play it with a good screen and a good audio system is a true DELIGHT. Beyond the marvelous photography, acting, story, settings, music, etc., the movie takes you to the past, into the ships... you feel as a part of the crew. You can easily feel the sea, the wood, the salt, the sweat, the dirt. No other movie gets this on you. Master and Commander is fictional but serious, unpretentious but powerful, wild but beautiful.
Just wanted to say this.

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Hear him, hear him!

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Mutiny on the Bounty is the best naval movie of all time.

~ I'm a 21st century man and I don't wanna be here.

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Mutiny on the Bounty is the best naval movie of all time.


The Charles Laughton version? It's a great film - if you treat it as fiction.

Better than "Das Boot" or "The Cruel Sea"?

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No. It's a fantasy, and frankly libellous.

"Active but Odd"

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Yes. Favorite of mine. That's the old sailor in me. Just watched again w/closed caption. Learned a lot more. Hope there is another soon. Probably not...got to be expensive to make.

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There won't be another, and everyone who loves it should be grateful! Peter Weir has moved on, and even if he did want to go back and re-visit the material he would never be allowed the free hand he had before. The studio wonks would be climbing all over it, demanding a love-interest, a bit of nudity, hot young actors, more explosions and CGI, less talk and definitely less chamber music, to give it more yoof appeal. It would be a travesty.

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I would love it if they produced the books - each in order and not mix and match as with this film - as a mini-series. These are my all time favourite books, I have read the entire series at least a dozen times over the years. I *loved* this movie, and I love Russell Crowe as Jack Aubrey, but I would love to see more of these books produced as a series, so if a mini-series is more viable I certainly hope they find a way to do it.

This is the best written historical fiction of all time - not only in my opinion but that of the New York Times I believe.

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You can experience a mini-series by watching the (almost as good) Hornblower BBC films. There are 6 but not a series - each is an individual story using the same characters.

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Nothing like as good! The Hornblower series is pretty fair when it sticks to C S Forester's original stories, but virtually every original addition by the scriptwriters is terrible - historically inaccurate, dramatically implausible, and just plain corny.

It does, however, contain in a single episode (The Frogs and the Lobsters) , more authentic period redcoat drill and manoeuvre than all the Sharpe series out together, which means that snippet of that episode at least gets played In our house.

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As always, Syntinen said exactly what I thought (except better articulated).

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I agree, any remake would be ruined with all the Political Correctness that would be forced into the film.

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What on earth do you think is politically correct about 'a love interest, hot young actors and a bit of nudity'? That's not PC, in fact in a sense it's the opposite; it's old-fashioned pandering to the lowest common denominator, which includes the insulting presumption that ''the ladies, God bless them' can't relate to any film that doesn't have a heroine and a love story in it.

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Don't be silly. There won't be a sequel, but if there were, and Peter Weir did it. I guarantee you it would be on his terms. All the compromising forces you are afraid about were intact before M&C and it got made with little studio interference.

Focuspuller

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love-interest


A good deal of the canon's novels Post Captain and HMS Surprise concern love interests Sophia and Diana, and other books include Jack's and Diana's philandering, and Stephen's pursuit of Christine Wood. Love interests could be included from the canon.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying though.


Oh shanty town, we're gonna tear ya down
I got me money come out of me stockins

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You summed up the downfall of todays cinema pretty well. It's a damn shame

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Sorry. Nothing's likely to ever top Das Boot.



HARUMPH!

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agree,das boot was as good,if not better-close call tho :P

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Well, the Kapitänleutnant loved Tall ships.

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Absolutely. And I bet he'd have loved this.

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..and I am not betting aginst..(The Das Boot series)

OnTop:
In Danish: For helvede, hvor er det noget lort, vi ikke får en 2'er!
In English: XXX,XXX,XXX-something with, tounge vs fallos - ending with no number 2 AKA no sequel)-;

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Did you like THE ENEMY BELOW or AWAY ALL BOATS?

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My favorites are THE ENEMY BELOW with Robert Mitchum & Kurt Jurgens and AWAY ALL BOATS with Jeff Chandler.

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This movie rocks! Everyone should visit Portsmouth and see the Victory, Nelson exhibit and the Mary Rose!
flew all the way from California to see it

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I hope you also went to Chatham and visited the great 18th-century dockyard where Victory was built, and saw the 'Building the Wooden Walls' exhibition there that immerses you in the construction of those amazing ships?

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Hear, hear! The SOUND alone.. I'm in heaven/on the sea:-D

To bad, there's NO $£€ in flicks like these:-(

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Have to Agree the sound is absolutely immaculate, the visuals are stunning, the accuracy is certainly there for the most part and the characters are believable, incredibly well acted and likable, you actually want them to succeed, in fact at points you want to man a gun or climb the mast to unfurl a sail just to help them out and get stuck into those Acheron bar stewards. :)

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As a fan of O'Brian the movie represents the best opportunity to experience the books in a audio/visual medium. The movie is art, as far as I understand art. The special effects are not the main character, the character's are.

As much as I want to love it, Master and Commander falls far short of the source material. I look at the movie as a pilot to the book series, or an introduction which should have been followed up with several more movies, or
a serious production of 30 or 40 television episodes. As a stand alone attempt to interpret the O'Brian characters, the movie does the best it can.

The areas the film falls short, in my estimation, are these:
1. The style of speech
2. The relationship between Aubrey and Maturin
3. The brutality of the Royal Navy
4. The usual overemphasis of early 19th century warfare

1. Part of the charm of O'Brian is the formality of language, missing from the movie. Movie Aubrey misuses nautical terms, and modern speech creeps in with many words and phrases not in use in 1805. The movie does not show the divide between Captain and Seamen; Seamen did not address Captains, unless addressed first.

2. Maturin was not an anarchist, and was never accused of such in the books, as he is in the movie. Without reading the books first, the relationship in the movie is difficult to fathom. At this point in the books, their friendship is mature, and they understand each other well. Their major conflict was over a woman, but that was long over. Maturin long ago accepted the limits on his desire to explore. I understand the problem of trying to compress their relationship within the timeframe allowed, but to misinterpret the relationship shows a lack of understanding.

3. The Royal Navy of 1805 was brutal, and savage by today's standards, none of which was shown. Men were beaten often, and any Seaman could be "started", meaning struck with canes, ropes, or sticks, by any Mate. A daily grog ration was needed to keep the men docile, and the main reason for Marines on board was to enforce discipline. Large percentages of Navy ships were crewed by pressed men who had never been to sea, and by the criminal class. Very few were voluntary, and those that were voluntary only volunteered to get the bounty paid to them by the Navy. Navy seamen were underpaid, had to serve for the entire war, and could be pressed from ship to ship. There are documented accounts of Navy seamen never setting foot on shore for 2 years or more.

4. The usual action movie over estimates the effectiveness of weaponry, and this one does, too. As a matter of fact, Navy crews were six times more likely to die from non-combat causes than from combat. Combat deaths, especially amongst the officers, were no cause for alarm, since death by combat meant greater glory than death by accident, disease, or starvation. In 1805, pistols were almost completely worthless in combat, flintlocks on the great guns misfired on occasion, accurate gunnery was the exception, not the rule, and the rate of fire was vastly over rated.

And the other problems like the idea of a privateer engaging a man-of-war, Maturin being portrayed as capable on ship(he took part in boarding, he was always in the surgery during battles).
I am grateful for Weir and Crowe's attempts to bring this book series to life. I only hope it inspires future attempts to tell the tale in chronological, linguistic, and faithful adherence to the literature of Patrick O'Brian.

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I completely agree. I saw this in the theater and it was just thrilling! I bought the soundtrack and still play it. I catch it on TV every now and then. It is a shame there wasn't a follow up but at least we have this gem.

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