Retarded Boy at River


Does anyone else think that guy was just amazing?
First I wanted to laugh because he was so weird, but it was also so believable and innocent. Must have been difficult to act that way.

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yeah, completely agree... when I first saw him it scared the hell outta me, but I learned to have "Sympathy" for him! Great performance!

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I couldn't figure out exactly why the hell he was there and what his significance was. Add to that, why nobody seems to find him strange. I would think Ryu would realize he could tell someone about what happened, or at the very least uncover his sister.

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The retarded boy is there to tie the story together. Member when the dad starts to unbury the corpse of ryus sister, the retarted kid comes and helps. Thats when the dad notices the necklace which matches the photo of dauther crying. But the his metaphoric expression of helplessness also makes sence.

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I know that here in America, people of his "disability" would have a retainer of sorts and probably wouldn't be left to trudge around rivers.

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or they would be elected for president...

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The past is never dead. It's not even past.

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I don't know about all of you, but wanted that mother *beep* to die after what happen to the little girl. Selfish bastard...

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I think you got your wish.

Wasn't the whole point of the father giving the information to the policeman (after the father took the necklace away from the boy) was to have him killed?

I mean, I watched the film pretty closely and I'm usually pretty good watching these films, but the editing here left a lot up to the imagination. Wasn't the father paying the policeman (to help pay for the operation the policeman wanted for his wife or kid) for information and having people killed?

There would be no other reason for him to give the cop the kid and his location (because they sure couldn't integrate the boy). And, in one of the last scenes, when they go back to that section of river, the boy isn't there this time.

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that's racist, zedlurin.

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Pretty sure that was a joke about Bush's intelligence or lack thereof and not anything race-related.

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A retard just got elected as president.

Just wow.

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No, dumbass. That was Obama and now Beijing Biden..

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@IndiePoppedHearts First of all, he's a fictional character and secondly, that's purely a lie.

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What a strange, wonderful idea and execution. I assume the actor isn't retarded in real life, in which case his performance was excellent.

I found those scenes the most unique in the film (and I liked the entire movie quite a lot)...darkly funny but also very touching. The inclusion of that character pushed the scene over the top from "excellent" to "brilliant". What a masterstroke...that last sequence when he staggers past the guy after the little girl drowns...pure metaphysical poetry, and perhaps the finest organic metaphor for mankind's powerlessness that I have ever seen.

This Chan-Wook Park is the real deal. Amazing director.

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Yeah that guy was awesome in that movie, when I first saw the movie I thought that he was going to save the little girl, but hell no, he wanted the necklace I started cracking up though it was a sad scene.

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I put this in another forum post before regarding the CP guy at the lake.

Park's line is probably best to set up the situation, "He's mentally disabled not deaf."

Even though Park knows he was at the scene of the death of his daughter he understands that he could do nothing for her because of his disability.

This adds to the irony of the fact that Ryu couldn't help her either due to his disability and shows that Park is working on emotion and not reason for his vengeance.


I think this one of the reasons hes in the film.

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Actually it's "he's mentally disabled, not stupid."

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Hope this bit of information helps folks. When we cut to the girls father at the police station, he has a of paper that has the make and license plate number of the car that Ryu was driving, providing further evidence for Ryu's involvement in the daughter's death.

The piece of notebook paper has the following writing in Korean:

Matiz (followed by numbers for the car license plate).

Matiz is the Korean equivalent of a Geo (anyone remember those?). It's the tiny little red car that Ryu drove to the river.

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Actually the boy seems to have cerable palsy, which can be confined to problems controlling motor function. People with cerable palsy often have average (or indeed higher) IQ's. I find some of coments of here to be ignorant and miss informed it seems to me that you people are the retards.

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calm the hell down dude, stop defending it so much, it's a movie and retard is easier to spell than cerebral palsy. Also when calling somebody a retard check your grammar, and you misspelled cerebral. I'm probably going to get dogged for being the guy to bring that up, but whatever.

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Well I am dyslexic and I think you ment to point out my poor spelling not grammar. Anyway, I was not defending anything, I'm not quite sure what you ment there. I was mearly pointing out some of the ignorant coments, in which individuals implied that the man was stupid. I believe one even comented that he was frightening. I have worked with people with cerebral palsy (hope the spelling suits your delicate eyes) for years and have seen certain members of the publics reations to the disabled, it is not plesent. further more the reactions do not escape the notice of the disabled individual. Imagine if everywhere you went people treated you like a freak simply because you have trouble comtolling your muscles and you where compleatly aware of the fact. So what exactly was your point its ok to ridicule and demoralise disabled people? Or do you just enjoy casual discrimination and bigotry? Ask yourself this if everyone on here had been using the word ni gger would you be telling me to stop "defending it" (whatever that means) I hope not.

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To all the people who are trying to say by using the term retarded is demoralising people with cerebral palsy who are in fact mentally competent if not geniuses in their own right, then why the hell did the retard walk up and rip off her necklace, leaving her for dead? Doesn't fit to me :S

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I don't think finding him frightening was meant to mean that people with disabilities are scary more the fact that he came out of nowhere in a isolated place moving in an odd way which would make you jump thus being scary and those few seconds where you haven't registered he has a disability he is frightening as he walks in on a man burying a dead woman and doesn't seemed phased in the slightest I kinda scared me as I wasn't expecting it

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'Retarded boy' is a famous young actor in Korea.
He played a boy with cerebral palsy. He went to institutions and studied patients with that condition to play that part. He was still brilliant.

By the way, that 'retarded boy' in the film is not stupid. He is intelligent enough, but can not move his limbs at will due to his condition.

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Actually don't you ppl find it ironic that while the retarded guy was the real cause of the little girl's death and yet Ryu was killed? I think the reason why the retarded guy appeared in front of the little gir's father was not only to reveal the necklace, but also to mock him (the father), since in fact the retarded guy actually 'killed' his daughter.

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No, the disabled guy was 'innocent' in that he had a naive, innocent evil, to just want the necklace. Thus he didn't enter in the revenge cycle.

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The people who were trying to get revenge were projecting their own guilt. They were unable to accept the guilt at what they had done.

Ryu was unable to accept that his sister killed herself because of him. The suicide note says that it is because he kidnapped the girl and lost his job because of her. She never would have wanted that, so she killed herself. He can't accept the guilt so he creates a revenge-fantasy-delusion and kills the organ dealers, but that still doesn't satisfy his illusion, so he eats their organs, becoming inhuman in his 'retribution' logic (eye for an eye, kidney for a kidney).

Park (the father) is unable to accept the death of his daughter, and when she appears to him as an apparition, she actually blames him for not giving her swimming lessons. In actuality, it was an accident, but he is unable to grieve (as seen in the cremation scene) and becomes hardened to autopsies. In the first autopsy scene he is frightened and sickened but in the second one he is cold, and by the end of the film, he has performed his own autopsy-butchering of Ryu.

In this way, neither character is able to deal with their guilty consciences so they externalize and project them through revenge fantasies.

How the disabled guy by the river ties into this to me is a few ways: the indifference of life, our inability to take action when confronted with existential dread, and also perhaps a naive or innocent evil which contrasts the evil perpetrated by both Ryu and Park in their quests for vengeance.

It is because of the disabled guy that the girl drowns (she is trying to avoid him after he was trying to steal her necklace from the car). And the disabled guy is obviously self centered and only interested in the necklace. But is he not a natural product of society, an innocently evil person who doesn't know any better? He is following the same drive for a shiny object that the innocent girl had when she accepted the necklace in trade for her doll.

My take on it: Both Ryu and Park are driven by their corrupt, dark, "evil" revenge drives, and thus they enter into the revenge cycle and are punished for it. But the disabled man is not punished because he is does not understand ilfe and death, or right and wrong. He is basically innocent by factor of his disability (even though the cops say he is not stupid, and of course, many people with CP are highly intelligent). But I do believe that he has a sort of inability to understand life and death, in that he doesn't even try to save the girl from drowning. And thus he is not punished-- he does not enter into the revenge cycle.

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Hmm, not sure I agree. The CP boy doesn't cause the girl to drown. I am not sure I view their revenge as "dark" and "evil". Dark and evil would have been wiping out their entire families etc. This is was a primal revenge fueled by love. In an odd way it almost felt righteous.

I don't see how the CP boy's disability added to the movie or made any comment. I found his character memorable, but oddly placed. Not sure what he added. The same effect could have been had by the girl falling into the river and losing her necklace only for the father to find it later.

I think the comment about disabled people not being stupid could have been indirectly aimed at Ryu.

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The CP boy did not "kill" anybody....she fell in....that is all we know. The director made a point to show how rickety and dangerous the bridge was. You see her trying to get across....and then in the water. Sure the CP boy taking her necklace was heartless - but I think it was also to show he may have had more then CP, but also the mind of a child (NO -I am not saying all do -- but we have to go off what we are shown in THIS case) He seemed to have the mind of a child. Hence Park's comment that he is not "stupid" -- and should be used to find answers to who committed the murder / kidnapping.

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From what I remember, the subtitle's translation was a little off during the part where Park says the line: "He's mentally disabled, not stupid." (or something like that). What he said was more like: "mentally disabled doesn't necessarily mean stupid."

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Actually it's "he's mentally disabled, not stupid."

This quote is important actually, b/c he probably has Muscular dystrophy (MD), and is NOT retarded (i.e. downs syndrome, etc.) He can't walk and talk very easily, but his cognitive ability is not very diminished (if at all); I used to work with kids like this.

I think he's also there to show everyone, regardless of disability, etc. is acting out of self-interest in this film (vengeance is a supremely selfish act, despite people's desire to think they're doing it 'for someone else'). This guy steals the girl's necklace (though he does have a conscience as well-- he tries to stop RYU burying a girl he doesn't know to be dead).

P.S. This is my favorite movie of the 00s.

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... he probably has Muscular dystrophy (MD), and is NOT retarded (i.e. downs syndrome, etc.) He can't walk and talk very easily, but his cognitive ability is not very diminished (if at all);

Well even when the girl was dead all he cared about was getting the necklace, there must be something wrong with him mentally.

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At first I thought his character was just completely random. But then I thought about it and it made sense. Some sense.

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Watch Oasis. Moon So-ri plays a disabled woman with such a stunning acting performance it's beyond comparison.

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Check up the cast section and you will find Seung-Beom Ryu who played that retarded boy is now one of the most powerful young actors in Korea. Some of his movies are really good, especially Crying Fist with Min-Sik Choi.

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The actor plays lot of comedic roles. Watch Arahan or Manner is Zero and he'll cracks the hell out of you!

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Whoa, wait... was he the young boxer in Crying Fist?!

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Wow I had no idea... I'd seen Crying Fist way before this movie but I never knew until now...

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Definitely gotta agree.

I just watched this last night with my boyfriend, who is a doctor. He was SURE this actor actually had cerebral palsy because he was able to portray it so accurately.



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The actor who played the role of the 'retarded boy at river' is a big star in korea. His name is Seung-beom Ryu. He is the little brother of filmmaker Seung-wan Ryu who was once a assistant of Park Chan-Wook and is a close friend of Park. Seung-wan Ryu played the role of the 'delivery boy killed by the father' in this film too.

This young actor of 'retarded boy' is one of the most brillant actors in his generation, if not the best. You can see him in 'Crying Fist', directed by his brother or in 'Bloody Tie'(http://imdb.com/title/tt0816437/). Maybe he is not very hansome, but he is amazing.

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Btw. if you are interested in this type of people watch My Left Foot with terrific acting of Daniel Day Lewis.

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