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how do these guys write songs so easily?


I keep getting the impression from the blaisse attitude on the commentary and in the trivia section here, about how nonchalantly they wrote these songs. I understand improvizing acting, ok, and even writing lyrics, but songwriting is pretty hard, or at least the way i've been taught. You have to find melodies, chords, and in the case of Mitch-and-Micky, 2-part harmonies that match up to the words. And Eugene Levy, Christopher Guest, Harry Shearer AND Michael McKean all wrote songs? Aren't most of these guys comics by nature. What was Guest's background: Writer? Actor? Stand-Up Comic? Musician?

If i'm not mistaken Eugene Levy was a improv actor.

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Anette O'Toole and Michael McKean (husband and wife) wrote "A Kiss At The End Of The Rainbow" on a car trip, which is probably the most beautiful song from a Guest movie, and IMO one of the greatest original songs for a movie of all time (as it is such an integral ingredient to the success of the film) but alot of castmembers contributed to the writing of the other music and songs. I can't name one song from a Guest film that HASN'T stuck with me long after the film finished. From "This Bulging River" to "God Loves A Terrier". They're all so well done it is really something great.

Btw, you'll find that alot of improvisers are excellent singers and writers also.

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When you say they write a song, you mean the whole thing or just the words? To actually set that to chords and think up the two-part harmony is something that you need a piece of sheet music for, at least, a couple instruments. I imagine that's close to impossible to spontaneously come up with those harmonies, although maybe they practiced singing it themselves. But if one was driving the car, he couldn't have played the instrument.

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Well no, I don't think either of them were playing instruments at the time but Mike and Annette probably came up with the words, melody and the two-part harmony (at least an early version of it) right then and there. They have since written dozens of songs together and are working on a musical.

Mike McKean and Chris Guest first met back in their teens because of their common interest in music. They're both extremely talented musicians who play a variety of instruments. The fact that much of the cast has known each other for so long means that they work in a kind of shorthand where they are able to write songs very quickly and efficiently. As far as the actual act of writing songs down on paper with sheet music, and chords and such.... correct me if I'm wrong but I'm guessing that's not really how folk music is done. I see them more scratching something out on a guitar and using their musical abilities to fill in the harmonies without worrying about chord progressions and the like.

As for Eugene Levy, he's extremely humble about his musical talents, claiming that he doesn't hold a candle to Chris Guest and co. That being said, he did sing and play in a folk group in the 60s. While his background is in sketch and improv comedy, like the others he clearly has musical talent to spare as well.

I guess my final thought on the subject is that Chris Guest has often likened improvisation to playing music. He says that you have to find players who are really skilled, who know when to solo and when to let someone else shine. You just tell everyone what key you're playing in and let the magic happen. Hope that helps.

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Most folk songs have similar chord progressions. There's probably a classic folk song with the exact same progression as every song in the movie. And with folk, the lyrics usually come first. So if you've got words and chords, it becomes easier to find a logical melody. As for vocal harmonies, some people just know how to do it off the top of their head. And some have to practice it.

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Someone with a lot of musical ability/training wouldn't need sheet music to create a song or even to harmonize. After all, since Stevie Wonder can't even see, sheet music is useless to him. It's very possible that, like Stevie Wonder, McKean and his wife keep a tape recorder handy to record spontaneous inspirations. It wouldn't surprise me.

But writing down music is just a mechanical way to preserve it, just as recording it is. For centuries, music (folk music especially) was passed down from generation to generation by simply performing it and having it become part of life.

And some things just come easier to some people, especially if they've been performing improvisational comedy or music for a while.

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Simple....Guest is a genius!

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Or when you get the sense of a melody, a lot of musicians are good enough to figure out harmony. I'm getting pretty good at figuring out a harmony for songs I hear on the radio. They're more performers than strictly just actors, so they seem to have the whole package, like any good performer should.

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Also...keep in mind...these songs arent being written for commercial success...they're being writting to be ironically amusing for a few seconds...a completely different skill than someone who needs to write a song which can be played on radio station rotation.

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Yeah, but some of them are really, really good. The Mitch & Mickey songs in particular are beautiful. Which makes sense; just as the New Main Street Singers songs were meant to convey that they are soulless hacks, the Mitch & Mickey songs are meant to convey that Mitch was a gifted songwriter.


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I've said this from day one, when I first saw This Is Spinal Tap, then borrowed the soundtrack album from the library: McKean, Guest, and SHearer could have had a career as songwriters. If you ignore the lyrics (which are deliberately exaggerated for satirical purposes), everything on the This Is Spinal Tap soundtrack sounds like something that could have been on an actual record by an actual rock group. And they proved their ability at writing catchy songs when they put out the reunion album, Break Like The Wind, in the early 90's.

Maybe the hard part would be writing lyrics that don't sound silly, but then, if you've spent any time listening to actual rock music (and especially the hard rock bands that Spinal Tap was mostly parodying), the lyrics are silly to begin with, so they probably could have just kept writing satirical lyrics, and nobody would have noticed.

At any rate, Christopher Guest's background was in comedy, but long before This Is Spinal Tap, he had been doing satirical music, on some of the National Lampoon LP's. He did a really good James Taylor send up on one of them, and I believe another one had "Bob Dylan singing reggae".

And I believe both McKean and Shearer had also played in bands before Spinal Tap, with McKean recording an album with David Lander, in character, as Lenny & Squiggy, their characters from Laverne & Shirley.

So these guys all had some musical background even before Spinal Tap. Eugene Levy, I don't know, but it's not really hard to start humming a melody and let's say you put down on a tape so you don't forget it, then you put a few words together, and again, it's satire, so it doesn't really matter if the words are silly or whatever(and again, there's lots of "legitimate" music acts where the words are stupid anyway). Boom, you've got a song. Then when you're rehearsing it, you can flesh out the arrangement, which isn't actually all that hard to do, especially if you have other musicians contributing ideas.

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