Whatever his merits (and they are considerable), it seems the media is promoting Barack Obama as this generation's Bobby. Does watching "Bobby" and this year's election coverage give anyone else that impression?
shareI fear white racists/KKK/Nazis will try to kill him if he wins.
shareI'm afraid of that too, angryasianamerican. :(
Quote Nietzsche and brag about having read some obscure foreign text. You're still a basic idiot.
I know for sure that if Obama wins he will definitely have to up his security, I'm sure he knows what he will be up against and what may await him as a Americas' first black president, that is if he becomes Americas first black president.
May he be safe, I wish him well and hope he wins.
Barack is a socialist, so does that mean that Bobby was too..Ethel must be senile to compare the two, but then again maybe there really isn't much of a difference.
Ignorant, lying imbeciles like you really annoy the hell out of me.
Will you please STOP saying or even mentioning the word "socialism" until you actually learn what the word means?! How about that?!
Are you Sarah Palin? You might as well be, with such pig-ignorant comments!
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Someone has got to rein in your ridiculous comments.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. So instead of mouthing off about stuff you clearly are uneducated on, next time just try exiting the page instead of hitting the "reply" button.
Ethel Kennedy and Ted Sorenson (JFK's adviser and speechwriter) have both said Obama is more like the Kennedy brothers than any political candidate they've seen since.
Now go away fool.
Sadly, I am afraid also. It seemed so many of the good guys are stopped before their time. I hope Barack Obama is the one to break the chain.
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I kinda know what you mean. I am a republican, but I honestly think he would be a great president. If he does become president, I hope to God that he is protected well. He seems like such a good man and I don't want anything bad like what happened in "Bobby" and in real history to happen to him.
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shareno, not in my opinion. i think obama is doing REALLY well in getting support from various groups of people but i don't think it compares really. there's still divisions. ex: latinos and blacks. kennedy brought these two groups together quite easily. obama is doing a great job but the latinos are going for clinton. bobby had both these groups locked up. also kennedy had more experience on a national level than obama does.
i think the media sometimes wants to portray it that way (more in the beginning of the campaign not so much now) but if you really look into it's just not the same.
in my opinion is still a far cry than from what mr. kennedy had to offer. but that's not saying obama isn't good or anything. just, i don't believe he's "this generation's bobby."
at the core of it, their similarities are really mostly in is charisma and the ability to deliver a speech but they are most definitely not on the same level. no sireee. no comparison.
(sorry if this comes off as agressive, I don't mean for that)
Obama is his own man, with a different past then Bobby....but yes I do think that he is this generations RFK. He inspires HOPE in the youth of this country that has been reflected in voter turn out. Young voters are turning out in large numbers that have not been seen since the time of JFK and RFK...most likely because this is the first time in my lifetime that there has been a positive choice for me to vote for....rather than the lesser of 2 bad choices.
So yes...Barack represents the same kind of HOPE that Bobby did....
Well, ain't this place a geographical oddity. Two weeks from everywhere!
I think in some ways Obama is like Bobby. He can and hopefully will be able to change a lot of things that are wrong with America, basically clean up after Bush. I can't wait until the elections in November.
Also I noticed Bobby and Obama were/are really good public speakers which is good for a future president. I can actually pay attention to their speeches because they are really meaningful
Obama is depending on the fact that people think of him as "the new RFK". He isn't saying anything that different or interesting, but because he is young and attractive and an "alternative" to all the old white males we have been subjected to, people assume he is a "new hope". I hate all the hype.
shareIMO, i think Obama could be the next Bobby
Obama's campaign is about ending a war (vietnam-iraq), and change
What did Bobby stand for? change, hope, peace
now many people say Obama is underqualified and thats their prerogative but in terms of planks and platforms Obama is our generations Bobby
and the sad thing is he'll probably be the next president/presidential candidate to get shot
The Kennedy's and Lincoln get shot but Bush no he gets reelected
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According to RFK's widow, he is the next Bobby Kennedy. Not to mention a lot of people seehim as th enext JFK also.
He will never be like either, but he will be his own person.
There will never be another Bobby Kennedy. Obama is Obama (and that is not really bad - it's good, in fact, for this generation) but Bobby was special - the 60s were special - 5 years after JFK was killed - 2 months after MLK was killed - the Vietnam War had another 5 years to go - Nixon was ruthless and then there was Bobby - but it was not to be!
share"...Nixon was ruthless and then there was Bobby..."
Bobby was also very, very ruthless at times. I don't mean to sound condescending or like a-know-it-all but I really think people need to read some history books. Bobby Kennedy did some very shading things (and some very good things) while he served as Attorney General and right hand of JFK. Some people (Emilio Estevez) seem to be trying to make him out to be a saint or something. He was not.
I don't comment on these boards to get into arguments; however, I need to respond to your comments. I don't need to read history books - I was in my 20s during the late 60s when Bobby was killed - I know he was no saint - but he also did not prolong a war for five years (as Nixon did) where over 50,000 Americans wound up with their names on a wall (not that all 50,000 were killed after he became President) - but please, let me know what you consider "shading things" (and please don't point to his time as Attorney General - he had to be one shade more ruthless than Jimmy Hoffa to clean up the Teamsters - which, unfortunately, probably and ultimately got him killed).
sharepalermo2222,
Actually if you re-read my post I mentioned he did some shady things DURING his years as Attorney General and right hand to Kennedy. However, you then ask me to give you examples of him being shady but to exclude his time as Attorney General. Huh??? What the hell am I supposed to say? He did do some shady things as Attorney General like the assassination of President Diem, he also sent in more "advisors" in Vietnam (although there is no question that it was LBJ and RMN that escualted the war), and his and the CIA's dealings with Castro (assissnation attempts).
Of course he didn't have shady dealings when he was not Attorney General because he had NO power! I'm sorry I don't mean to sound like a snot, but your post is confusing.
Also, it is true Nixon did esculate the war and keep the troops in for 5 more years. His Secret Plan was a lie. However, there is no guarantee that Kennedy would have ended the war right away either. Nixon lied so it is at least possible that that Kennedy was too. All I wanted to say was that RFK was a POLITICAN and his goal was to get votes, his speeches were inspirational to a generation but they were just speeches. It is sad because we will never know if he was going to do what he said.
It seems that I might have hit a nerve with you pertaining to RFK...well sorry it must have been very disturbing to see him and all the other assassination and assassination attempts of people during that time.
Didn't mean to be confusing - and, no, I never considered RFK a saint - just someone I looked up to and to get us out of all the craziness that surrounded the 60s.
I think you are getting one Kennedy mixed up with the other - everything you are accusing RFK of doing - I believe that it was JFK who was President at the time and wielded slightly more power than RFK. So I go back to my original question: as AG - please let me know the "shading things" that RFK did.
I would like to know how old you are and whether you followed the 60s live or through a history book.
By the way, your logic is illogical: "Nixon lied so it is at least possible Kennedy was too". That's like saying - Bush got us into the Iraq war - so it's at least possible that Gore would have to. Yeah, possible but highly improbable. Gore was not Bush and Kennedy was not Nixon.
Okay now maybe it was me that was being confusing and not wording my answer properly JFK was more powerful than RFK, but RFK was probably the second most powerful man in the U.S. during that time (you might argue that J.Edgar Hoover was more powerful than RFK and that would most definitely de a good arguement). In any case, I should have mentioned that those were his suggestions and he did help in planning some of those operations. JFK relied on him heavily and although he did make all the major decisions he did often leave it up to Bobby to deal with the actual operations. Even the best Presidents and best advisors have done some shady things during their adminstrations.
What I am trying to say is that RFK was in alot of ways no different from other politicans. RFK was the smartest Kennedy and he could be counted on to do alot of the Kennedy dirty work. Hell, I bet you RFK would have admitted it. I do think that he changed after his brother's assassination, but he still remained a politican and I am sorry but there was just no guarantee that he would have ended the war. He very well might have but there is a chance that he wouldn't have and even a possibility he might have been able to stop it at that point.
I am always up for a historical arguement, but I think we just disagree and we should leave it at that. It is obvious that you have well thought out opinions and questions. I am not going to say that you are wrong and I am right because we just have different opinions on what the man meant. I know I am not going to change your opinion on the man and vice versa.
Although, I stand by my arguement that RFK gets a little too much adulation as a peacemaker I do think he would have been a better choice than Nixon. Nixon was a very smart man and might have been a great president, however, the man ws incredibly paranoid and he insisted on lying to people and he was just so stubborn and DAMN was he shady. I never argued that point. So yes Kennedy would have been the better choice in '68.
Your logic and response was very thought out - I will not debate the points you made - I was not part of the Kennedy White House so I have no idea whether it was JFK - RFK - LBJ - Robert McNamara - Allen or John Foster Dulles (but definitely not J Edgar) - who took command or our foreign policy. But, yes, RFK was the visionary Kennedy and most definitely became mellower after 11/22/63. He may or may not have become the savior that the 60s youths thought he was but for me, after June 6, 1968, politics became just a little less important.
I applaud you for your comments and it's good we both have unwavable viewpoints.
Palermo, I'm interested to hear how you tie Sirhan to the Teamsters.
sharemattsheehy71 - Excellent post! You have definitely done your fair and unbiased homework on history and Bobby Kennedy.
It's unbelievable how there are still people that look at him as some kind of god - but that is what blind devotion toward another human being does to people, they tend to overlook that person's human flaws and weaknesses - whether politically or personally...and the public will never forget the era of Marilyn in his life either.
So yes, Bobby may have been good politically for some things - but he was not a saint!
Thanks, teevee!
shareI think that Obama is very similar to Bobby Kennedy. Obama,like Kennedy, does inspire many and appeal to all generations including the young.
I just hope that he doesn't have the same fate as Bobby did.
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Absolutely! I was amazed at how similar their platforms are: wanting to end an unpopular war. It seems that, as a nation, we have not moved forward in forty years.
shareTo address the original question: Sure, why not? They're both members of the Cult of the State whose followers are marked by the same general characteristics: an almost complete ignorance of the basic laws of economics, a serif-ish valuing of security over liberty, and a desire to suck at the teat of Mommy State. RFK was probably more the calculating demagogue who co-opted the growing Neo-Marxist trend in the Democratic party (which JFK would have been disgusted by) for his own careerist purposes; but Obama's got the Mailed Fist of the State so far up his butt he can taste rustoleum. He's the kind of guy who if he ever bothered to read Hayek's ROAD TO SERFDOM (an unlikely scenario) would say: "How, that sounds great! How can we make that happen?"
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jenniferthebeader, I agree. I was struck by the parallels between the election of 1968 and 2008. An unpopular war, environmental issues, new voting systems. I wasn't around in 1968, so it's disheartening to realize we are still facing some of the same things.
Vowels are elitist.
Obama is a CFR Illuminati puppet. JFK got assassinated for trying to expose secret societies, and I'm sure Bobby was too (even if it was a precautionary measure). So, no, Obama is not like Bobby.
shareDefinitely not. Obama was not born in this country. Phillip Berg is actually trying to prove this now. Wonder why this has not been on the mainstream media?
BK told people what they wanted to hear but Obama does it to an even bigger extreme. It was even said today by his camp that there "promises" are unrealistic/
seroteamavi2001... Obama was born in Hawaii, Einstein.
In case you didn't know, Hawaii became a U.S. state in August 1959.
Ha ha ha ha!
Definitely not. Obama was not born in this country.
He was born in America alright. No other country in the world could produce such a clueless moron.
Accept Loss ~ Jack Kerouac
Obama has been an AMAZING president given all he has had to deal with.
Given that he has faced a conservative party willing to use the threat of the filibuster at an 80% higher ratio than any time in history.
Of course it is harder to get things if no one is willing to agree to vote on anything.
I spoke to a friend of mine in Australia just today and the international community is baffled by the incorrect claims made against Obama's administration by a party that they know full well holds the blame for this country's recession.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/opinion/dowd-one-and-done.html?_r=1
When he can't even keep Maureen Dowd on his side this stooge is in trouble. If you kool-aid drinkers had a brain between ya you'd be able to see the truth .. But.. you don't. Unfortunately most of you rely on MSNBC for your news and information and I am almost positive that none of them mentioned the lastest from the marvelously respected left-leaning Ms. Dowd.
Here, read it for yourself. (I even made it lite up for you) and if you believe it's been taken out of context or something, look it up a half dozen times and see. Obama is a boob. I'm surprised he can tie his own shoes
Accept Loss ~ Jack Kerouac
I am not saying he doesn't have detractors on both the left and the right. I am saying that I believe he is a good president.
And for what it is worth, I was a Hillary supporter.
I don't drink kool-aid. I don't get my news from CNN, FOX, or MSNBC. All of those stations have an agenda to sell you a product. Not news, not unfiltered, but marketable news with a great deal lacking in foreign coverage.
We might differ on that first subject but the other one intrigues me. I would LOVE to receive unfiltered news. News unhampered by left or right agenda. Please tell me where you find this news so that I too may partake. I am serious. I'm unsatisfied and suspicious of all television news.
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If You have to ask whether Barack Obama is this generations Bobby then I guess the answer is no.
shareOh nooo.
No no no no.
Obama wants to outlaw handguns and put a tax so high on the rest of the guns that no one can pay it. He will be worse than Bush if that is believeable.
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Dumb as hell?
Really now???
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28344
Or, you know, you can just GOOGLE it.
Your ignorance is no surprise.
In hindsight, the comment on outlawing guns is a bit out of place.
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