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Would you be embarrased of your 'visitor' too?


Think of it and be honest...

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You don't/ wouldn't know who your visitor would be so that question is impossible to answer.

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I have a suspicion!

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Found your question after a re-watching of the film and I've been pondering over it.

It seemed to me as if Solaris was consciously trying to provoke reactions from the people it contacted so, in all fairness, I would have to say that my visitor, if not embarrassing, would at least be personally disturbing.



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Wow, only you know what do you mean. Can you imagine arriving there and wait to see who your visitor will be? What would have Freud thought about this story?

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I imagine if I looked hard enough I'd find at least one psychological discussion of "Solaris". The idea of the unconscious becoming physically manifest (in spite of what Freud considered to be the conscious efforts by individuals towards repression) no doubt would've given Freud further food for thought. If such a thing were possible, and if he were able to observe it under clinical conditions, then would any of his theories been altered? Can the unconscious alone be analyzed, or must it always be considered as a part of the whole? Lem's story gave the unconscious its own apparent will, and yet it also seemed shackled (if that's the right word) by the same attitudes as the conscious "source". If the visitors which appeared on Solaris Station were indeed manifestations of the unconscious, then did it mean that we are little more than our unconscious thought barricaded behind a thin defense of repression?

If I knew ahead of time what awaited me on Solaris Station, I wonder if I would actually make the trip?



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The original poster poses an interesting question. We cannot really trust what we perceive to be reality and it might be possible that our conscious thought could be used against us. It may be that what we term reality only exists in our minds and we must expand beyond this to ascertain the certainty of true reality beyond our constructs of space and time. This is a question probably best answered by philosophers and not scientists.

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Wow, I love this thread! Only films like these could inspire such discussion, why I like movies like this...

I agree that not knowing what Solaris has cooked up for you is intriguing because everyones visitor was different to the individual. They all had different responses, which may have been Solaris' intention was to have them all asking themselves different philosophical questions about life and death, the power of the subconscious and a lot of what-ifs and what-nows...

So yeah im thinking my curiosity would get the better of me and i would have to go to see how Solaris would test me. Given the fact that whatever Solaris is made almost no one with the exception of Viola Davis' character return to Earth, i would have to be more than ready to say goodbye to this planet forever. So theres also that to think about.

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Would I hide my visitor like Sartorius? Would I proudly displayed him/her like Kelvin?

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Nice said, Curlew. Thank you for the thought provoking questions you made.

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And I appreciate the question, as well as the comments which have appeared here. It only serves to make me appreciate the film (as well as Lem's story) that much more.

I've been going over the comments, as well as watching the film again, and have been telling myself something that I wanted to pass on to you and the others who are following the discussion. Namely: in any discussion regarding an alien intelligence, the key word to remember is "alien". If we were all on Solaris Station we would have no genuinely honest way of determining either Solaris' frame of mine, or even a clear motive. Maybe the question we need to be considering is not which "visitor" we'd individually produce, but what prompts Solaris to pick the "visitors" it produced. What sort of reaction was Solaris trying to provoke? Did Solaris possess an actual intelligence, or was it simply (!) a substance which could react to our minds . . . sort of a "mirror" which responded to specific elements within our own unconscious?

Again we have no clue to provide a satisfactory answer. The only way I can think of for carrying out a decent exploration would be if perhaps a second alien race arrived at Solaris. It would receive visitors based on their own mental makeup, and then our two races would be able to compare notes.

On the surface, Solaris seemed to want to put the people on the station on some sort of defensive posture: uncomfortable and, as a result, vulnerable. Would such an approach make it easier for Solaris to establish deeper contact? Or, if the phenomenon of the visitors is indeed all in our laps, is Solaris underlining the idea that our most personal center is composed of our most private guilt? In this case Solaris plays Ophelia to our Hamlet: "Nymph, in thy orisons be all my sins remembered".

All of us communicate with each other through layers of self-created masks. Protective identities. We are not speaking with our actual selves but, rather, with the self we put before us. Solaris, on the other hand, forces the inhabitants of the station to communicate on the basic (intimate guilt) level. Hence the embarrassment and discomfort. If Solaris is, indeed, an intelligent being, then it might only desire to communicate with others on the most basic level.

Please pardon the armchair psychology. But after rolling all of this through my mind over the past few days I would definitely have to conclude that my visitor would indeed cause me embarrassment. Could I deal with it enough to progress? Or would I withdraw completely? Do any of us really know the guilt at our center? Or would we be surprised by what sort of visitor Solaris produced? Something even deeper, and more incisive, than we feel lies inside each of us?



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You write very good, man! Keep it up!

So, you do know who would your visitor be?

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That's a question I've been turning over and over in my head. The only constant in the visitors seems to be whoever produces the most personal response.

I suspect my visitor will be one of three former friends that I used to be very close with, and whose parting I've regretted very much to this day. These were people who I empathized with very much, but unfortunate circumstances brought about our losing touch with one another. The appearance of any one of these friends would definitely put me on the defensive (if that's what Solaris wants).



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While watching this, I was thinking it would be my mom. Doesn't matter the context, be it Solaris, The Cell, Event Horizon, etc. They always elicit the same thought from me, which is that after witnessing her passing, I don't want to know what's down in there. I wouldn't stand a chance.

I think I might need new breasts. These are covered in sadness.

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With all that's been discussed here I see the majority of humans as being very reluctant to get very close to Solaris.

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I think my visitor has changed. I wonder if Solaris can withdraw a visitor and put a n new one in place.

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Or send up a second visitor, gauge the difference in reactions and decide which visitor to keep in "play".


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Will visitors interact with each other? Probably only if you are there. Visitors with no visitee have no purpose.

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i definitely would.

all the bad habits that spring to mind!

then there are all the disgusting habits!

then there are all the unnatural urges and i would probably end up strangling him!

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I think my visitors has just changed....


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Well the visitor would be someone you knew who died right? Or could it be anything? I guess I'm not positive on the rules, I thought all the visitors were dead people they cared about?

If so, I can honestly say that all the people I know that have died I would be quite happy to see them again, and BTW, in the end, didn't he find peace with his wife, or whatever she was, so seems this was a good thing?

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I don't think visitors are representations of necessary dead people. In fact I believe Gibarian son was alive in Earth and also a visitor in Solaris.

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What do you propose are the criteria for the creation of a 'visitor?' Was there a strong common denominator between Rheya, Gibarian's son, whoever Gordon's visitor was, and- I gather- Snow's twin? If it's "someone- living or dead- who you miss, and maybe regret having unfinished business with or have unresolved feelings toward" then I'm not sure I'd get a visitor.

If I did-- if there's anything 'un-reconciled' in my interpersonal life-- the first person who comes to mind is my best friend. Still alive, been my best friend for years without any big fallout or anything, but I've had a bit of a crush on him for years, and one time years ago while he was between girlfriends he fooled around with me and my bf. It didn't damage anything but he's gotten married since then, so it hasn't and isn't likely to happen again, I suppose. But I'm guessing that he'd manifest specifically as I remember him from that night so that I could try to make that happen again, maybe draw a more intimate relationship out. Which wouldn't "embarrass" me at all.


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Thank you for sharing your story, Nomen-Meltdown. I am not sure if Solaris has a specific criteria for building the visitor. Perhaps, is the first person you dream off when in Solaris and not necessarily someone you have unfinished business with. In the book the visitors are different then from the movie but the general idea subsists.

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No, why would i?
I would be amazed at seeing an alien, even if he looked human.
Hell, even if he was a copy, he would find his way and own personality after a while, just like rest of visitors did.

Gordon was insane, anything with capabilities of Solaris would need no trickery to wipe out all life on earth, and the potential for technological advancement more than justifying staying there. Sooner killed Gordon than one of the visitors.

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I like to think that my visitor, like Chris', would be someone I'd loved and mistakenly left behind.

To my knowledge, none have committed suicide, though.

So, to answer your question: "No, I wouldn't be embarrassed of the visitor, but I'd hope she wouldn't laugh to see how I'd aged!

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Perhaps the replica of her would have aged as well?

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