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Not only is it NOT ''craptastic''—it's a masterpiece.


Everybody sees something different, no matter what we're looking at. I thought Eden's Curve was very nearly perfect. For me, it not only fulfilled all its potential, but it broke new ground in doing so. It did many of the things people criticized it for not doing, but it did them in unfamiliar ways, so some viewers thought things hadn't happened when actually they had.

Take character development, for example. There's not a single important character in this movie who's left underdeveloped at all, compared to just about any other movie I can think of. Peter, Joe, Bess, Billy and Ian all are full, three dimensional human beings. Even the frat-house cook feels like somebody I know, and she's only in the movie a total of about two minutes. Of course we don't know every detail of all their histories, we're not told every motive for everything they do, but we don't need all that information to see what kind of people they are. Even in real life, we learn a lot more about people by watching how they act and interact than by listening to them talk.

Peter is an extremely sweet, naive, well-mannered, not exceptionally bright but sexually very curious boy from a respectable middle class Southern family who have sheltered him all his life, so he's weak and has almost no ability to cope with the world outside. He leaves home for the first time in 1972 to attend a small, relatively progressive Southern college, where he is quickly overwhelmed and swept away by the manifold stimulation he finds there. Peter is a classically flawed tragic protagonist; his flaw is that he is completely passive. He always does whatever the stronger-willed people around him pressure him to do, until it's too late.

His frat-house roommate is an intensely seductive, completely unscrupulous, amoral, emotionally unstable and severely spoiled slightly older rich kid from New York (Joe) who had refused to go to college unless his parents bought him his own plane. Across the hall lives a languidly seductive but very intelligent, perceptive, articulate, well-bred and effete (but kind-hearted) Southern aristocratic classicist named Billy, who shoots heroin to "help him cope" but is not by any means a junkie. Peter almost immediately gets caught up in an intense, heady, reckless sexual relationship with Joe and his girlfriend Bess, falling in exactly (we learn later) where Billy had fallen (and escaped) a year or two earlier. The consequences... well, they follow. I won't give away any more, for the sake of people who haven't seen it yet.

Come on! How much character development do we need? How much more than that do we know about any character in any movie? And I could say a lot more about just those three, not to mention Bess and Ian. These are all very rich, full characters! They're believable, almost tangibly real human beings to whom we relate without even noticing we're doing it.

Does anybody who really watches this movie not care what happens to Peter or Ian, or not react with shock at what Joe does and Bess enables, or not like Billy even a little bit? (I like him a lot.) We don't react like that to underdeveloped characters. We react like that to real human beings. We may want to know a lot more about all of them, but that's a sign of a well-developed character—of a person who means something to us—not of an under-developed character.

I had all those reactions and very many more, and I was watching exactly the same movie everybody else was watching, getting the same information everybody got. I didn't make anything up or get any inside information from the filmmakers. It was all there on screen for anybody who was looking to see.

That's just the first of several points I planned to make, including a strong endorsement of what some people call "art house effects," complaining that they detract from the story, as if the director pretentiously and artificially stuck them onto an otherwise good movie. I disagree completely, but I'll save that for another post.

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I just wanted to thank you for your in-depth appreciation of EDEN'S CURVE. As the producer and writer of the film which, by the way, I wrote with Hart Monroe and copyrighted in 1989, it was a long road to making the film and I really appreciate how much you got from the film and the time you took to share your views of it at IMDB. Much thanks! Jerry Meadors

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I produced and wrote EDEN'S CURVE. It took me years to get it done and then on a very low budget. Know that I greatly appreciate your time and thoughtfulness that is so evident in what you have written about your experience with the film. You truly got it all and as you say the film was your only source of detail. Anne Misawa, who directed the film for me, was not only creative but a master cameraman. There is not a shot or moment that she did not plan. To this day I find Anne's approach to my story visually poetic and emotionally satisfying. You have made me very happy in appreciating our work on this film. Thank you.
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I wrote and produced EDEN's CURVE. Not the horrible, badly acted and filmed version that was released a few years ago, but one that's only in my head.

In my film, the actors can actually act, the story is interesting and the director shot it to make the film coherent and visually interesting--but not visually distracting.

Alas, none of that is true of the version of "Eden's Curve" that actually got made.

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A friend wanted to watch this, as he thought the lead was cute (he is), so I agreed to watch it again, and see if if I was too quick to hate this movie. I still hate it, but looking at the OP's discussion I do wonder if we saw the same movie.

from a respectable middle class Southern family who have sheltered him all his life


How did you know this? We saw his father for 5 seconds. How do you know he was sheltered all his life?

He leaves home for the first time in 1972 to attend a small, relatively progressive Southern college


How do you know it's for the first time and that the college is small and relatively progressive?

he is completely passive


We definitely agree on that. That was one of the reasons I didn't like it; I don't like protagonists who are so passive.

Does anybody who really watches this movie not care what happens to Peter or Ian, or not react with shock at what Joe does and Bess enables, or not like Billy even a little bit?


I guess I wasn't "really watching" the movie as I didn't care one whit about what happened to any of the characters and I didn't like Billy at all.

For me the story was blah, the acting ranged from ok (Joe and Bess) to weak (Billy, Ian) to awful (Peter), the cinematography was insanely distracting and I didn't care or like about any of the characters or what happened to them.

My friend didn't like it either, though he did like looking at Sam Levine.









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I loved it. A lot. I watch it every year or two and find new things to like about it.

This movie is not didactic. It implies more than it broadcasts. The subtleness of the storytelling is totally appropriate for the time and social atmosphere portrayed in the film. It's kind of astounding to me that the cast and crew of this film were able to capture (with dialogue, with costume, with sets, with mood) this "moment in time."

Perhaps not so many people are interested in this complex taboo-driven love story set at a pseudo-liberal small college in a conservative small town in the South in the 1970s. I am.

Bryan Carroll, who played Billy, was, IMO, perfectly over-the-top for the role. The character, clearly, was larger-than-life. Carroll got it right.

Sam Levine...I might think his portrayal of Peter was terrible, if I hadn't known someone so nearly like him, awkward, tentative, out-of-step, easily manipulated and gullible, completely without guile.

Whatever. Everyone is free to love or hate whatever films they do or don't. There's a lot of crap out there, but this is as far from crap as any film I've seen. I'd dearly love to hear/read/see the real story that inspired the film.

Jerry and Hart....thank you. Your movie has entertained and haunted me for a dozen years.

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