Jet Li vs UFC Fighters
What do you think? How would Jet Li do against someone like Tito Ortiz,Randy Corture,Chuck Liddell in a "REAL FIGHT"
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Hmmm.. I don't think Jet would be in that situation. Cradle was so bad that you could actually see the fake arm-twist hold Jet had on Tito, and of course the fake WWF oh-God-I'm-in-pain-grimace Tito had all over his face during the whole thing.
A more interesting match up would be Jet vs Rickson or Royce Gracie, and that would be on Pride Fighting Championship rather than UFC. Pride is more technical and much more educational to watch. That's why Royce Gracie actually moved to Pride, where he lost to Sakuraba in a memorable 1 hour match. So long fights do occur in real life.
Id like to see him take on Ken Shamrock, my favorite fighter of all time. Don't know who would win, Ken's getting old, but it might be good if it were real, and not a stunt.
shareGuys, Jet Li is fast and powerful, but the UFC guys are too big and heavy. In a real fight like that, Jet would be outnumbered and outpowered. The UFC could probably kill him if they wanted to. (That's without tools. If Jet Li had a wrench or something it would be really different.) I don't know if it was just 1 on 1 though. Maybe Jet.
shareIf you all watch the Special Features DVD of "Cradle To The Grave", Jet Li admits that the fighters would kill him in a second in real life.
shareYou said everything ... a match with Jet Li vs Rickson or Royce would be nice, but UFC 1 and 2, and the 1st prides proved that only kicks and punches cannot defeat a player with good ground combat, grappling and submission. I would place my bets on the Gracies.
shareWell, I think in a real fight it would be hard to say. If Jet could keep them on their feet, he could put them down and out, if it got to the ground I donno how much Jet knows when it comes to grappling and submission. He's lightning fast though so that could be to his advantage. Its totally diff. fighting styles its almost impossible to say and impossible that Jet would ever be in a UFC tournament or in a scrap outside of competition. Mind you if he was in a real fight with any guy who thought he was tough *beep*, he would school him and send him back home wanting a bottle of warm milk. But yeah, as for fighting Couture or Ortiz or Lidell. It wouldn't happen and the matches would be too akward to predict.
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IMO there is no way that Jet Li could be successful in a proper UFC fight against someone with the caliber of Ken Shamrock or Royce Gracie.
I think someone like Dolph Lundgren could hold his own.
But of course this is all a matter of opinion as its never going to happen!!!
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Li VS. Gracie would be the Ali/Frazier of shootfighting. I liked the fight
scene against the UFC Fighters, it was one of the few good parts about Cradle.
A little over the top, but something had to save this film from being straight
to video/DVD. I think Jet would do pretty well against any UFC or Pride fighter.
He's the closest we're ever gonna see to another Bruce, so that makes Li the
most dangerous man on the planet in my eyes.
You fools Jet-Li is a ballet dancer, he is good at doing forms (katas) in Martial Arts not at fighting. Any proper MMA fighter would CRUSH him!!!
shareActually, Jet Li is a former full contact Wushu champion. If you've never seen a full contact wushu fight before, you would have no idea how brutal it can be. Look at Jet's face and you can see the scars he suffered from it. He is a phenomenal martial artist and could hold his own in a fight no matter the size of the opponent. His speed and control speaks for itself.
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He wouldn't have a chance in hell. Jet Li is very, very talented and would beat any average guy in the street, but these UFC fighters are modern day gladiators who will fight to the end. Jet Li is all for show. He looks good when he demonstrates his kung fu skills in his movies, but someone like Ken Shamrock or Tito Ortiz, or perhaps the vast majority of the UFC fighters would take Jet out in an instant. I'm not disrespecting Jet Li at all, as he is a great inspiration to myself and I'm a big fan of him, but I'm just setting the standards to show tough and tough.
shareJet Li can kick anyone's ass! You just have to haVE the right tools, hit them in the balls and run like HELL!
shareFunny, but I doubt Jet Li would do that. That would ruin any honor he has, and after he ran, he would probably have people coming after him. It would still be funny to see.
shareI think Jet would hold his own his fists are the fastest I've seen since Bruce Lee. Now how would BL fare against UFC fighters?
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To some this might be fairly obvious but i don't really have a clue.
Gracie uses Aikido right? Would Gracie beat Steven Seagal you think?
And Would Seagal beat Li?
Do you really think Jet would be match for those fighter, no he wouldn't be. He would lose quickly. Those guys are just to strong and they are better fighters.
Gracie would probably beat Seagel very easily.
Well i dont know but Jet is a several Wu Shu champion so i think he will be a good match for them...
sharegracie uses brazilian jiu jitsu
shareBruce Lee would have a fairly easy time unless they were somehow able to get him on the ground, then it would be mixed. In watching the UFC, most of these guys are not very fast and their movements are quite obvious to an experienced fighter. Being that his entire martial art is based on interception and speed, he would have an easy time reading most of the UFC fighters. He is a good grappler, but he doesn't make it the center of his art like the UFC fighters do. Overall, Bruce wouldn't be pushed to his limit, and I think he would come out on top, in an alternate universe where he was alive. If you look at his books, and watch his documentaries, he is prepared for almost any situation.
shareI wouldn't put any money on the China man.
shareOh christ. Jet Li would get his ass handed to him by any MMA fighter.
And for the record, Royce is a jiu-jitsu practioner.
Are you freaking kidding me? Jet Li is an amazing martial artist and has a crap load of awards to prove it. I don't give a crap how big these guys are, he'll still rule them.
shareLol shut up. You could never be anymore wrong. if you actually had a clue, you would realise how inaffective eastern martial arts really are.
And if they are so effective, please tell me why no eastern martial artist makes it in real mixed martial arts. The only ones that made it was sakuraba (a pro wrestler, not a kung fu expert), genki sudo (brown belt in brazilian jiu jitsu and an unorthodox style) and yoshida (a judo practitioner) - nobody else is even worth mentioning. No kung fu *beep* like Jet Li there? Aww shame. It's because they all suck
Now look at any american or brazilian martial artist, a russian, a croatian. They all *beep* pimpslap those little kung fu *beep*. Bruce Lee figured out the limitions of kung fu, why can't your dumb ass?
Get yourself a clue and read through this: http://crane.50megs.com/
Documentated data on the how effective kung fu really is..
No, it's because Jet Li is freaking rich and he doesn't have to fight anyone. He could have body guards if he wanted to. Read more about Jet Li to find out how good he really is.
shareMaybe you should clarify your definition of "Eastern martial arts". You've just listed judo and Brazilian jujitsu as being effective martial arts - immediately after labelling Eastern martial arts as being "ineffective". Jujitsu and Judo are both Japanese styles (with the latter spawning from the former). From what I gather from you post, your attack on "Eastern" martial arts was more an attack on Chinese styles. In reality, the "East" has spawned some of the finest martial arts the world has ever seen - among them; the Japanese styles are, IMHO, the most effective.
shareJiu-Jitsu: Japanese
Judo: Japanese
Aikido: Japanese
San Shou?
Muay Thai?
There are plenty of effective martial arts techniques from the east, get a clue. Modern wushu emphasizes style, but they are merely derivatives of what genuinely works.
Actually it is because the fighting techniques taught in Kung-Fu would not be legal in MMA competition. Kung-Fu teaches people how to hurt, maim, and if necessary kill people, it also teaches them how to not have to do any of that. MMA is a sport, which I happen to enjoy, but Kung-Fu is designed to work in a legitimate fight, that's why you don't see them in MMA.
share"Actually it is because the fighting techniques taught in Kung-Fu would not be legal in MMA competition. Kung-Fu teaches people how to hurt, maim, and if necessary kill people, it also teaches them how to not have to do any of that. MMA is a sport, which I happen to enjoy, but Kung-Fu is designed to work in a legitimate fight, that's why you don't see them in MMA."
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I practice San Soo: First day I was told this art is has 4 goal "hurt, break, maim, and kill"
My primary target is the eyes (illegal), then groin (not sure but illegal), I also focus on breaking moves (illegal)
Your comparing Apples and Oranges, you have a fighting art and a killing art, the killing art has to drop what its good at to have a match against the fighting art.
A friend of mine who has been trained in MMA fighting has said pretty much the same thing. In a ring fight, MMA grappling does tend to dominate stand-up styles. Why? Because a lot of what stand-up styles are good at in a real fight is taken away from them. A lot of primary striking points can't be used in a ring fight.
And, yes, I don't consider ring fighting a "real" fight, because there are rules that must be obeyed in the ring. Not to take anything away from MMA fighters. What they can do in the ring is amazing, and I won't say that any one style or group of styles is superior to what they do. Outside of the ring, it's the stylist, not the style, that matters.
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If Bruce Lee was still around, he would take out ANY of these guys including Chuck Norris. Including ANY UFC fighter you put him up against.
Just whip out the One Inch Punch - which Jet Li also knows how to do effectively
When looking at matching up Jet Li and a UFC fighter you need to remember its 2 completely different fighting styles, Li would be alot faster so that would give him an advantage but he may not have the power to do the damage (it would take more hits from Li than what it would take from a UFC fighter)
To some up - Jet Li would take them out in time - but Bruce Lee would mess everyone up!
I give credit to the UFC's great Marketing. People actually think MMA is a fighting style instead of a sport. UFC started as a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu infomercial and that's why it has dominated MMA. No one had seen it before so it was hard to defend; now everyone knows what it is and it's just another Martial Art no better or worse than the others. You've got to admit that these guys are marketing geniuses to make people actually believe that it's in their best interest to take a street fight to the ground instead of just hitting someone and trying to get away.
shareTrue. If anyone tried to compete in the current UFC using only "pure" BJJ, he'd get killed by one of the many knockout artists. Now it's just an art like karate, boxing or judo, that needs to be cross-trained, since that what Mixed Martial Arts is all about.
As for Jet, he'd get killed in a UFC, but in a no-rules streetfight in a dark alley if his life, or his family's life, was on the line? Can go either way. He's fast as hell, so if he jammed his fingers in the other guy's eyes or punched him in the throat, then that's it.
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They kind of already showed Jet Li as a kill or be killed Gladiotor in 'Unleashed', Jet Li could actually do all that in real life. Speed and accuracy trumps strength.
shareI'm pretty sure if you got some monks from a Shaolin temple they would destroy the UFC fighters like a knife through butter.
shareDumbass Judo is an eastern style and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu came from Judo. By the way ever here of Huo Yuan Jia? The greatest fighter of his time, he defeated a Judo team, a British boxer, and anyone else who thought the Chinese were weak.
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I love Jet Li, and I think he is awesome, but anyone intelligent person knows Jet Li would get beat. It's like the people who think Bruce Lee was a God. My friends are all like that.
"Bruce Lee can beat anyone!"
I don't know...I just hate that.
Bruce Lee was awesome in his movies but he could beat just about anyone. I hate when people don't give "movie stars" any credibility. Jet Li has won a crap load of awards and Bruce Lee has as well. Bruce Lee also taught martial arts and beat one of the worlds top martial artists in order to continue to do so because that guy didn't want him teaching non-Chinese people.
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This convo reminds me of that scene in "The Rundown". You know, the fight between the Rock and Ernie Reyes Jr.
As for Bruce Lee, He's been challenged by lots of real fighters. During the making of Enter The Dragon, This really huge guy supposedly challenged Bruce and Bruce kicked his f*ckin' ass. Why? 1. Bruce doesn't bullsh*t and doesn't try to look good. 2. He's stronger than he looks. 3. He's not only strong but a very wise and intelligent martial artist. I hope those UFC guys have some brains to go with their Brawn.
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I havent posted here in over a year but i couldnt ignore such stupidy. Mahalie23 is so unbelivably stupid and his claims are completely ficticous.
Jet Li has never competed any form of full contact fighting events.
Jet Li also admits to have NEVER been in a fight.
Jet Li is an excellent martial artist but his is NOT A FIGHTER and has NO AWARDS for fighting, he is however a 5 times Chinese Whu Shu Champion.
Bruce Lee did not compete in any sanctioned martial art events. He compiled
no tournament record to demonstrate his ability.
Various anecdotes are reported regarding his superiority in street fights but
is that a basis of considering anyone the best of the best in their respective
sport or physical activity? Would the public accept this reasoning if Michael Jordan claimed to be the best basketball player but would only play in alleys and playgrounds, never on the professional hardwood court?
Bruce Lee has NO AWARDS for fighting, He Did however win a CHA_CHA competition and ive heard rumors of him winning an amauture boxing contest.
Plus the movie 'dragon' spun more bullS@@t than Mahalie has. Heres an iteresting bit of trivia Bruce hurt his back lifting weights impropely and not in a fight.
As far as fighting real mixed martial art competitors they wouldnt be able to break into the top ranks of their own weight dividions let alone the heavier ones. Jet would have no chance and Bruce would have had to done some more serious training in grappling. In the world of modern martial arts jumping kicks are more hazadous than useful and Bruces beloved Side Kicks although looking good seem kind of useless.
The only hope these guys would have is to go straight for the eyes and nuts (which is something bruce lee supported anyway)
Until you can give us evidence of these "crap loads of awards" that prove they are kickass fighters try to keep your ignorance to yourself.
PS. And I used to be a real bruce lee fan boy. But my favorite quote of his was along the lines of learn boxing and wrestling for a year and you will be able to beat someone who trained traditional gung fu for 10 years.
It's not that we don't give movie stars credibility, it's that we give people who devote their lives to fighting more crediblity than people who devote themselves to pulling off choreographed fights and stuns in a controlled area.
shareI think it would be evenly matched, Wu Shu tends to use long-mid distance attacks so this could keep a grappler away while striking at pressure points. However as pointed, he's pretty much *beep* in short distance. His speed may avoid these short distance grapples but I wouldn't count on it.
Didn't suprise me when he said he would lose, he's incredibly modest!
I personally think he wouldn't stand a living chance. Jet doesn't train like the UFC fighters do. The UFC fighters train hard and they can all take a serious beating. I don't feel Jet can take strikes, as he is too weedy and small. He is however fast and his strikes are effective, but how long would it take for Jet to keep a UFC fighter at bay!? I feel it would take a couple of seconds and if it went to the ground I don't believe Jet has the ground work knowledge to defend himself against a MMA fighter. Someone who knowledge of submission moves would gain the upper hand. If you put Jet up against Tito Ortiz or Randy Couture (40 yrs old), he would receive a serious knockout!UFC fighting and Martial Artists are in completely different worlds.
shareJet Li is a skilled practitioner of martial arts. He has been doing it from a very young age, and could be called an expert in his field. A fight between a UFC or Pride fighter and Jet Li would be difficult to call. It would depend on a lot of things. If Jet could keep the grappler on the outside, he could use his speed and technique to win. If the grappler could get ahold of Jet Li it could be over quickly. You never really know. Remember, martial artists know how to destroy from the outside using pressure points all over the body, including legs and arms. This could give an advantage to a trained martial artist who knows how to strike the points properly to create cramping or loss of use. Anyone who knows who George Dillman is could attest to that. By the way, Jet Li is 41 years old. He is too humble. In a recent interview in Men's Health, he said any average guy off the street could probably beat him up.
shareIts not just grapperlers I think top Kickboxing fighters would destroy jet standing as well.
The likes of Lebanner or Vovchanchyn would seriosly overpower him
Cro-cop or Hoost could beat him with their reach and speed before he could get close enough to fight back. And if youve seen cro-cop fight you know he would only need to land one kick.
Wandelie Silva or Yvel could knee the crap outta him up close.
And thats just the tip of the iceberg.
But on the other hand none of those guys ever made great movies.
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Darkness876, you don't follow MMA well, in reality all of these guys could dismantle Jet Li in 10 seconds.
shareAnd Vitor Belfort could outspeed him.
shareMy word, so many idiots...
Jet has won wushu awards. For doing forms. I have a video of him doing his Long Fist form. It looks like a frickin dance.
Jet has never competed in full contact stuff.
Those UFC guys would pwn his ass.
Now...San Da on the other hand is great. Fought several exhibition matches with Kyokushin, Kickboxing, and Muay Thai. Jet never did San Da
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Jet Li could probably take Tito Ortiz because bascially the UFC fighters are just big and strong and kinda fast, but Jet Li portrays most of that.
I mean this guy when he was a young student back in china did some type of kung fu for the president of the United States and thats high class.
If Randy Couture got Jet Li on the ground...HE WOULD TAKE APART HIS LITTLE BODY INTO 20 PIECES!!!
And that's a fact!!!!
Eh, probably. I don't think Jet Li would stand a chance if he went done. Maybe he could possibly hold his own with just punching and kicking, even though he never did full contact. Being as trained as he is, whether or not he actually did do full contact, he'd still be able to take on your average opponent. I said maybe, not definately, because anyone from UFC is above average...although I'm not entirely positive Jet would be done for, just by their punches and kicks. If there was grappling involved(especially on the floor), all odds point to the guys from UFC.
Atleast, that's what I'd put my money on.
Bruce Lee in his prime would OWN Jet Li. No contest at all.
sharei think ill finally chyme in on this topic...
i think a military specialist like a SEAL or Green Beret can kick(kill) the ass of all of the aforementioned people.
most of you have tunnel vision when it comes to martial arts. Groundfighting is inferior if there is more than one oppenent. and statistically most assults are carried out by one person, or a group of 3+.
Striking arts arent so hot when your rolling on the ground. balance between them is key. there are many kungfu styles that do both. i think most of you badmouthing a certain style should go and investigate the styles purpose. many were created in times where you would have to fight in a battlefield or against several men at once... which would rule out groundfighting. in those times groundfighting meant youd be dead.
groundfighting does bettter in these competitions sinmply because it is what is effective in those competitions. not all scenarios in real like afford the luxury of armbarring your enemy. you cant roll around on the ground in a bar fight where the could be broken glass on the floor, his friend to kick you, or his knife in your ribs. that said, in these modern times, neither style of fighting is required. get a handgun or call the police.
there is also miss watkins self defense for ladies which i can attest to working quite well. my 13 years of martial art training was defeated my my girlfriend and Ms Watkins...
Not a chance in hell. A green beret or SEAL or Ranger would beat anyone normal, and beat a lot of run-of-the-mill black belts. But without any weapons, they wouldn't be able to touch Bruce Lee. None of them. I've know a couple. Great guys to have on your side in a bar fight, as they can take a lot of pain (not to mention kick my 3rd degree black belt ass), but are mainly all offense and would not be able to block Bruce' attacks at all. Hell, even with a 10" blade, Bruce should still be good for at least three or four of them. In summery, a military special forces guy or a great boxer (Mike Tyson) will beat everyone normal, and lots of black belts. But they are no match for THE BEST OF THE BEST.
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Fedor Emiliananko,Sergei Kharitonov and Igor Vovchanchyn are all top MMA(UFC style competion) fighters who did combat training in the military before entering the sport.
And very rarley does a black belt mean *beep* The belt system lack integrity, now days you can get a black belt for showing up to class and paying your money. BJJ is pretty much the only system that has any integrity.
Id much rather have to fight a taekwondo,kung fu,karate(excluding kyokushin) or aikido black belt than a half decent wrestler or boxer.
I do agree that tons of black belts suck. I myself am one (and I don't suck, I was one of the top 10 in my class), and know I would not last long against a boxer, military fighter, street fighter, or wrestler. BUT, I have seen a few masters, and these guys just tear ass. 75% of black belts may be blah, but 20% are really good, 4% are outstanding, and 1% are flat out amazing. Call it fantasy all ya want, but it is a fact that Bruce Lee was good for at least 6 or 7 guys in a fight. Who else do you know that could make that claim?
shareCall it fantasy all ya want, but it is a fact that Bruce Lee was good for at least 6 or 7 guys in a fight. Who else do you know that could make that claim?
I dont understand. Do you mean he could beat 6 or 7 guys at a time?
Yes, I do, and pretty easily at that (I'm talking 6 or 7 normal guys, not 6 or 7 UFC guys).
shareIt seems some people here are terribly disillusioned.
The most successful fighters in the UFC arena borrow upon a wide range of combat skills, not just roman wrestling or a specific martial art. For people to say that Eastern martial arts are ineffective is clear ignorance. Tito Ortiz, for example will use Muay Tai skills in EVERY bout. The Mauy Tai grappling techniques are perhaps the most commonly used when fighters are on their feet and it is one of the most effective fighting styles in that situation. When you guys talk about a military/special forces guy taking on a martial artist, you are normally talking about grossly disproportionate body weights so it’s really an unfair comparison.
In the UFC arena, it is becoming more and more common, at the highest level, that technical supremacy is overcoming just pure, un-channelled power. The Gracies proved this in the old days and now it is the most successful heavyweights that are winning through technical skill.
Another point about boxers - pure boxers have no place in MMA, Mike Tyson would get tied in knots. The most successful fighters must have a range of skills, and some of the most important come from Eastern fighting styles - so for someone to say they are ineffective is just plain idiocy. MMA fighter require exactly that - a mixture and it is unfair to say which is the most important, although roman wrestling styles seem the most important to ensure survival, to actually finish off fights and possess excellent offensive skills then there are few better than those offered by Eastern Martial arts.
Well said paralytic critic.
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I cant believe some of the stuff I have been reading! Jet Li WOULD NOT STAND A CHANCE in a fight with ANYONE from the UFC and thats a fact! Kung Fu is just not an effective form of martial arts when compared to BJJ, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Sambo...ect Jet Li would get wrecked, thats all there is to it, and anyone that follows MMA would agree with me.
shareSo True, I'm a big Jet Li fan but lets face it these UFC guys mixed martial art experts so Jet would be at a disadvantage in real life. I believe that Jet onece admitted in an interview stating that the UFC fighters would kick his ass if the fight scene with them was real.
shareJet Li can't win, but Bruce Lee on the other hand is very tough to beat.
the reason is simple, Jet Li is a martial artist, Bruce Lee is a fighter. all his skills and learnings are targeted towards real fight. He dun fight for awards, he dun fight for show(UFC), he did real fighting...where ANYTHING is possible. and he's one strong mutha *beep* combine strength and speed you get power. he ccould even run his fingers through an unopened can of coke, and back 30s year ago the softdrink cans were VERY thick, much thicker than todays. now imagine he does that to a human.
"He dun fight for awards, he dun fight for show(UFC), he did real fighting...where ANYTHING is possible."
can you please list his victories, and the credentials of his opponents?
I cant seem to find them, its kind of odd teh greatest fighter every and no evidence to back it up other than second hand stories from celebrities.
On the special features on the DVD, Jet Li actually said in real life, those UFC guys could kill him *snaps fingers* just like that.
shareNo this is the deal.
In a sport fight like the UFC those guys were win.
If they fought on a wide open area, like the street, then Jet Li would win cause he has so much more room.
we all know that i would beat them all in a straight fight without breaking a sweat
with one arm tied behind my back
and blindfolded
while drunk so i cant balance properly
:P just kidding
The Bewildered Prophet
That's the whole point of him mentioning that "he didn't fight for show." Boxing in a ring is still an exhibition sport.
In a quest to be negative, you've talked yourself into a circle.
Agreed BUT black ops assassins who get taught special moves specifically developed to kill people unarmed would mean they would defeat anyone.
But again these moves are so dangerous, they aren't taught to anyone except those spies/assassins who being undercover cannot carry weapons. Probably the most elite of these would be those spies sent into north korea.