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There is no such thing as a mail order bride! See my 12 point essay!

posted 20 years ago by WWu777
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Hi all,
Just to educate you folks, there is no such thing as a "mail order bride". That is simply a creation of our ignorant media and feminists. I've spent 6 months in Russia in 9 cities and met hundreds of women, so I am qualified to say this.

See these links below for more info.

http://www.womenrussia.com/mail_order_brides/

http://www.womenrussia.com/russianwomen/escape.htm

Also check out the FAQ's and misconceptions section of:

http://www.wtw.org/mob/Lies.htm

Sorry folks, but the truth is, in real life you can't "buy" or "order" a bride from Russia, contrary to the fictional concept created by our media. Those marriage/introduction/dating agencies out there simply allow you to purchase their womens' contact information, not sell away their individual rights. You've still got to win their hearts or attraction to you. Of course, there are prostitutes in Russia that you can buy for a while, but these internet marriage/dating agencies are not in that business. They are either legit, or else they are trying to scam you with fake photos of women. But in either case, they are NOT letting you buy or order actual women to be brides. Of course, these agencies all have their share of gold diggers, visa whores, and leisure snoochers, but they have many quality women who are not like that at all.

I have a 12 point essay debunking this American myth, but I can't post it here due to space limitations. You can read a version of it though, at this link:

http://www.happierabroad.com/Reasons_Russian_Women.htm

To see my qualifications, go here to see my vast slide show photo albums of Russia. They are like Reality TV.

http://www.happierabroad.com/Photojournals.htm

To get an idea of Russian people's views on emigration, check out these interviews with everyday people there at this site. You will see that almost none of them are trying to leave their country.

http://www.waytorussia.net/Features/RussianPeople.html

Thanks,
Winston

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[–] fortawesome-1 20 years ago

"Now, let me tell you this. I've met about 115 women in Russia. Out of them all, only ONE of them is eager to move to America (or perhaps Italy, she says). That's ONE out of 115! Do you really think that 1 out of 115 constitutes a majority? LOL I hope that you realize how silly this myth that you harbor is now!"

I have to disagree with you sir, and I must cite my own factual evidence of having met 259 russian women while in Russia and 39.583% of them definitely were eager to move to America. It is you who are furthering a myth, that of the Russian woman who doesn't want to move to America and enrich their lives by becoming white slaves/wives.

Why are you doing this sir?

It is a well known fact that 47.9384% of all Russian women are alcoholics, and desperate to leave the horrors of their country, these woman need help. I myself have bought 4 Russian brides over the past 5 years, 59.734% of them wanted to leave after getting their green cards! It was horrible. I paid good money for these women, and I deserved some kind of explanation before they tried to run off. And with the third bride I ordered, she faked her picture so when I arrived at the airport, I found myself to be the proud new owner of a russian MIDGET!

To put it mildly, she drank like a sailor. But all was forgiven, because as I soon found out, she worked miracles with the horses on my horse farm. It brings tears to my eyes to remember her as she would gallop across my fields on a wild stallion, she was drunk of course and cursing wildly, and could barely hold on with her tiny midget legs, but she was working miracles sir, working miracles. That is what makes her death all the more tragic. Apparently a pack of roving wild dogs mistook her for a small domestic animal and carried her off into the cold dark night. But every so often I hear rumors of sightings of a large pack of dogs running through the forests at night with a small figure riding the lead dog.. In my heart I hope this is true.

There is my evidence sir, I think you can clearly see that I am in the right.

Thanks,
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo

[–] vernling 20 years ago

LOL!!

is it true?

anyway, this movie is quite good. tim blake nelson was very convincing, and it has an interesting story. a plus is that emily mortimer is extremely beautiful.

[–] soulthinker 19 years ago

I find it unbeliveable about the Russian midget story. Every man has their own experiences with Russian women,Me? it is usually by mail and I had not set foot in Russia. As for some of the women being alkoholics I believe it since when I looked at those ads of having a man who does not drink etc. I find it weird since when a man goes to those tours one would maybe find a woman that would drink a man under the table or embarass the man in front of others. As a Black-American I doubt they would choose me had I went to St.Petersburg or Moscow.

[–] activ 19 years ago

LOL that made my morning

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[–] WWu777 16 years ago

fortawesome-1:

I have to disagree with you sir, and I must cite my own factual evidence of having met 259 russian women while in Russia and 39.583% of them definitely were eager to move to America. It is you who are furthering a myth, that of the Russian woman who doesn't want to move to America and enrich their lives by becoming white slaves/wives.

Why are you doing this sir?

It is a well known fact that 47.9384% of all Russian women are alcoholics, and desperate to leave the horrors of their country, these woman need help. I myself have bought 4 Russian brides over the past 5 years, 59.734% of them wanted to leave after getting their green cards! It was horrible. I paid good money for these women, and I deserved some kind of explanation before they tried to run off. And with the third bride I ordered, she faked her picture so when I arrived at the airport, I found myself to be the proud new owner of a russian MIDGET!

To put it mildly, she drank like a sailor. But all was forgiven, because as I soon found out, she worked miracles with the horses on my horse farm. It brings tears to my eyes to remember her as she would gallop across my fields on a wild stallion, she was drunk of course and cursing wildly, and could barely hold on with her tiny midget legs, but she was working miracles sir, working miracles. That is what makes her death all the more tragic. Apparently a pack of roving wild dogs mistook her for a small domestic animal and carried her off into the cold dark night. But every so often I hear rumors of sightings of a large pack of dogs running through the forests at night with a small figure riding the lead dog.. In my heart I hope this is true.

There is my evidence sir, I think you can clearly see that I am in the right.

Thanks,
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo

W: I hope you all can see that this guy above is being sarcastic. 59.734 percent? Gimme a break. He's just trying to be a smarta** and BSing for fun.

Of course the midget story is false, as well as the wolves eating her Russian midget by accident. Hahaha. Very funny.

It is not true that most Russian women are alcoholics.

Also, how could you not have met your "midget bride" before she arrived? You are parroting the factually false stereotype that you can just "order" a bride from Russia in a catalog. You can't do that, and I challenge you to show me one website where you can do that. The fact is, you only order their ADDRESS or CONTACT INFO from the website or catalog, then you correspond with her. You can't order them to come to your country, you are only ordering their CONTACT INFO, get it now?

After that, you go to her country and if you decide to bring her to the US, you gotta go through the INS process back home and wait months.

Everyone involves in this affair knows this process. Thus, there is no "mail order" bride because you can't order any brides to come to your country like that.

By the way Mr. Wiseguy, 259 Russian women my a**. Can you back up your qualifications and claims? I can. Just follow these links below and you will see that I've walked the walk and know what I'm talking about.

First, here is a one page collage of the hottest girls I've met in Russia with me in the pictures:

http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm

Next, here are some photojournals I've put together of my 3 bride seeking adventures in Russia. They contain thousands of images in storybook format and are like Reality TV. You are sure to enjoy them.

http://www.happierabroad.com/Photojournals.htm

I also have hundreds of pages of journals of my trips downloadable from my site at www.happierabroad.com/Articles.htm. However, here is a synopsis of all three of my trips instead:

http://www.happierabroad.com/Synopsis_Russian_Adventures.htm

There you go bozo. I bet you have zilch to back up your qualifications Mr fortawesome-1.

However, I am currently in the Philippines now with my Filipina wife. I have to say that Russia is fun and the women are hot, but the bad experiences outweigh the good ones, thus it wasn't worth my time anymore after a while. Thus I wouldn't recommend it. Plus me being Asian, I'm far more accepted and liked here in the Philippines than I was in Russia.

Thanks,
WuMaster

I got everything I wanted by going abroad! You can too! http://www.happierabroad.com

[–] soulman386 15 years ago

I'm also an Asian guy. I'm more attracted to white women than asian women so of course I've thought about getting a Russian bride. I think probably most Asian guys are very attracted to white women but take the path of least resistance and settle for Asian. Dating white women in North America, especially the USA, is usually very hard for Asian men. It seems like most white women won't even consider the idea.

[–] soulthinker 19 years ago

You should write a book about your experiences. I wanted to go to Russia in the 90's but it is expensive. Now it is still expensive with lots of crime. I saw this movie more than once on the Starz channel and plan to get the DVD. Also the firm that was in that flick are real,in fact they even sell the DVD as well.

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[–] enthusiast 19 years ago

It is not done that much here in Lithuania (there are a few marriages this way, but not near as many as in Russia). Wish it were. Then I could order a husband from the United States!

I think you guys don't really realize who is really doing the choosing with this foreign wife business!!! ;)

[–] activ 19 years ago

good point enthusiast.. both parties are pretty much using each other.. the men are using the women for their looks and bodies, and the women are looking for someone with money who will spend it on them..

the men would be better off just going over without using the whole hook-up service.. there are soo many beautiful women in eastern europe they wouldn't need to have some company find them ;)

[–] soulthinker 19 years ago

The problem Activ is there are a lot of men who are either very shy or no up to communicating with a woman from America. Plus Russia is not like Estonia,or Lituania because of massive corruption.

[–] WWu777 11 years ago

Did you know that American men married to foreign women have only a 20 percent divorce rate compared to the national average of 50-60 percent? That should tell you something.

My friend Steve Neese did a masterpiece Research Report about this, citing American psychologists such as Dr. Laura Schlessinger, whose research backs up our claims. See it here:

http://www.happierabroad.com/Research.htm

I also put up a great key point summary about the 15 key benefits of foreign women:

http://www.happierabroad.com/ForeignWomen.htm

Together, Steve and I put together this compelling PowerPoint presentation. I invite you all to download it at:

http://www.happierabroad.com/HappierAbroad.ppsx

[–] dallastriallawyer 19 years ago

Winston has modified his opinions of Russian women considerably since this post last year... Take a look at his latest article:

www.geocities.com/wwu777us/Opportunistic_Russian_Women.htm

The appendix, which was authored by me concludes:

Addendum:? What you should know about the Russian mind before marrying one.? Horrid insights from a man who was married to one for 6 years

O.K., here are my comments:

The Russian mind works completely different than the Western/American mind. Your article explains the symptoms, but not the cause. Here are my observations, based on six years of living with Russian.

Essentially pessimists.

The old saying in Russia, made famous by Viktor Chernomyrdin, is "We hoped for the best, but it turned out as usual." Russians do not believe that hard work, industry, and diligence produce anything other than a big fat durak with a sign reading "steal from me" around his neck. In Russia, commercial success is usually met with derision and theft. "Who does he think he is? He is no better than us!" Russians will actually destroy private property and infrastructure designed for their common good, rather than witness a neighbor rise from the masses. It is not uncommon for a successful merchant's store to be burned. Wealthy Russians live in gated communities with armed guards on constant patrol, and drive to work in bullet proof limousines. Why? The only things Russians hate more than their own miserable existence is the thought of someone else rising above theirs.

Because there is no reward for individualism, the Russian mind views everything around them as corrupt. Anyone who gets ahead must be a member of the corrupt bureaucracy and/or organized crime. "Only Mafioski drive Mercedes," is what my ex used to say.

What does the Russian then think of an American willing to share his financial largess? "He is an idiot." My ex-wife explained that she had no trouble taking from me because, "I earned it, by putting up with you."

Mir mentality.

For thousands of years, Russian culture was based on the mir. A mir is a small village ruled by a council. Until the Soviet era, the mir was the basic Russian unit of survival, because harsh living conditions made pioneering or entrepreneurship a very risky venture. All decisions were based on the collective good, rather than individual merit. This is what made Russia so susceptible to communism, because Russian had been a collective state from its outset. Outsiders were mistrusted or quickly put to death. All efforts were focused on saving enough food to survive through the next winter.

Why is it important to understand this mir mentality? First, Russians do not trust anyone other than members of their own mir. "I did not grow up with her, why would I wish to be her friend?" as my wife used to say. "You are not my family. I may be married to you, but you are not my blood." Such things sound horrible to Americans, but this is the basic Russian understanding. Second, Russians bear no hard feelings to horrible acts committed for the greater good. It is nothing to put grandmother out on the ice to freeze, if food supplies are dwindling. "She had a good life." This survival instinct means that a Russian will steal from you, betray you, or even kill you if she feels her survival depends on it. "You knew I was a Russian when you married me," should be the saying.

Ability to endure untold hardships, survival instinct.

Hitler did not understand the Russian mind. He surrounded both Stalingrad and Leningrad during WWII, laying siege to each. He cut off roads, rails, and air access to the cities. The Battle of Stalingrad raged for 199 days with total casualties of over 3,000,000. That was a cake walk compared to the Siege of Leningrad, which lasted 900 days. Hitler was determined to starve out the enemy at Leningrad (St. Petersburg). In response, the Russians ate shoe leather, boiled bookbindings to extract proteins, even consumed soil with a little sugar mixed in. Citizen deaths from starvation and exposure are estimated as high as 1.5 million people. In the end, the citizens of Stalingrad and Leningrad endured horrible deprivations and death, rather than surrender to a foreign will. Does an American really think he can wait 900 days to change the Russian mind? It will never happen. It's like that song by Offspring, "the more you suffer, the more it shows you really care, right?"

The history books are full of people who underestimated the Russian will. Hitler and Napoleon being the two most notable examples, but consider lesser known Russian heroes like Grand Duke Alexander of Novgorod, who lured a German army out onto the ice of Lake Chudskoye in 1240 where they broke through and drowned. "Nevsky" made a truce with the Mongols, rather than surrender to a Roman Catholic army.

Conclusion

I am sure there are "good" Russians, I just have never met any in America. These beautiful Russian women are the children and grandchildren of survivors who routinely lied, stole, and murdered when the circumstances called for it. They were taught that the mir is the only unit that needs protection or cooperation. They were raised on stories of foolish foreigners who underestimated the Russian will.

I would recommend Wedded Strangers: The Challenges of Russian-American Marriages by Lynn Visson before anyone considers a relationship with a Russian woman, particularly one they met on the Internet.

[–] YouKnowMyName68 17 years ago

Interesting information, nevertheless, the very fact that life, indeed, is short and so called skin 'beauty' is emphemeral and fleeting and very subjective and conditional (Ha! ha! ha!) everyone is aging by the forces that govern this life, and so the beauty that, in this instance, is used as one of whatever means necessary by again, in this instance, Russians, I suppose collectively or however, for fooling 'foreigners' is happening and what does it say? That they may be xenophobic and narcissistic, also? That line about beauty especially in it's superficial and normally understood sense....everyone and everything is subjugated to it, which accounts for the 'measures' to take advantage of what you got while your hot before it's not.
Where in the history of mankind is that not known, except maybe with the indigenous peoples like, say, the aborigines, or indigenous peoples of the north American (Italian derived word originally derived from Amerigo Vespucci)continent, etc.

Strong survival instincts is a good and necessary trait, too, well... for continued existence but let's not deceive ourselves, hmmm? We're all interconnected to each other whether directly or indirectly, that can never be denied. And one should never make the mistake and practice of making assumptions about anyone or anything. That's rather foolish and not smart.

[–] ladin 17 years ago

There is just one thing that these people who "mail order brides" don't understand. A normal woman with her life settled down, with friends, family, whatever...plans for the future, will not just suddenly decide to move to another country, to some stranger, when she's got her whole life in another place. Usually, these "brides" have a though and ruined life. And the only thing they are left to do is to meet some dumbass foreigner in the internet that reads this *beep* about Russian women who need to get married, because in Russia a woman is nothing without a husband and exc. And by reading these essays they just want to prove themselves that there's nothing wrong with these women as there is nothing wrong with them. Both, the "brides" and the ones who "order" have serious problems if they can't have normal relationships with the people around them. I can't believe that they're so naive. I'm living in Russia for a long time. Trust me, a Russian woman is like any other.

[–] irinatutor 16 years ago

Thank you, ladin, for such a sound answer!
Having read the "lawyer"s recommendations and guidelines as to how to treat and percept the Russian women, I was in a shock...
Judging the whole nation by his own truely unsuccessful experience is totally wrong.
People differ, be it America or Russia!

[–] WWu777 16 years ago

Hi everyone,
It's me again Winston, the OP of this thread. Here is the new link to my essay "12 Reasons Why Russian Women are not desperate to leave their country" revised and expanded.

http://www.happierabroad.com/Reasons_Russian_Women.htm

Also, you can watch through picture slide shows the story of my hunt for a bride in Russia, at this link:

http://www.happierabroad.com/Photojournals.htm

Enjoy,
WuMaster

I got everything I wanted by going abroad! You can too! http://www.happierabroad.com

[–] dwendt_99 16 years ago

Pochemu ty ninavidesh CWA?