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Does anyone think Joan WOULD regret her decision in the future?


Does anyone think Joan might regret her decision to not go to law school afterall (in the future)? I've always wanted to meet future Joan and ask her.

-Jane

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I think she would. She's 22ish at the end of the film, and newly wed. She and Tommy would probably have kids within the next year or two, making her a mother by let's say 24. Let's say she has two kids close in age. The kids would be out of the house by the time she would be 45ish.

Now what? 45 is not old by any stretch of the imagination. Now she has no children to raise and no career.

Luckily that would put her in the mid-1970s, when women's lib was in full force. Maybe Joan could have some kind of career later in life.

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 Really good answer

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Another possibility:

One-quarter of 1950s marriages ended in divorce. Joan could end-up like Betty with no husband. Betty was still young with options (live at home, goto grad school, meet a man). Unfortunately a 30-something Joan would have no way to support herself.

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Your question made me think about The Women's Room, a book and movie about the perfect trophy wife and how she handles her needs after she really grows up. Joan could easily fall into this category, but her guy as opposed to Durnst character's husband seems a little more enlightened.

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I reckon there would have been a few 45 year old women in the 1970s who decided to go back to law school. They would have the money from their husbands to pay for it AND wouldn't be distracted by parties, drugs and sex and 'finding a husband' - they could really focus on their studies and bring passion to them.

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No, the point of the film was that these women could choose any life they wanted. Joan wanted a husband and a family, so she went for it. At the same time, Tommy did manipulate Joan into choosing him over Yale. Unfortunately for Joan, I have always suspected that Tommy would dump her once they both are around forty-five maybe forty-eight years old. Joan would probably get pregnant maybe two or three times, have the children and Tommy to look after, that would be her life. On the other hand, Tommy goes to grad school, finishes, gets a corner office job, and spends his life trying to get promoted. With Joan's help, Tommy makes it to the top around 1976 (in time for that twentieth reunion at Penn), by then women are being hired as more than just secretaries, and Tommy meets an exciting young woman who just finished (business and or law) school and joins his firm. Tommy falls for her, and with so much in common with her (plus the fact that she is twenty years younger than him) and the kids off at boarding school/college, he dumps Joan after twenty some odd years of marriage. At that point, who wouldn't be filled with regret (not to mention anger) for having bought into the old ways, without leaving themselves a net? Or admit to herself that she gave up Yale only because Tommy wanted her to? (all of a sudden he wants to elope instead of having a big ceremony, come on) She may finally understand why Katherine was telling her to go to law school, and if she still wants to, marry Tommy.

Think about it, would Tommy have stayed with Joan if she had gone through with attending (and graduating) from Yale law school? Nope, he probably would have eventually dumped her for some Betty Draper type from Bryn Mar. Plus, if Joan isn't with him, who will do his homework? 😊. Even if they wait until they both graduate from grad school to marry, Joan would be independent with her own career, Tommy loses the advantage in their relationship, and would have to treat her like an equal. Being a male member of the so-called "Greatest Generation" Tommy doesn't know how to do that, and their relationship would probably fail.

"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end." - Spock

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She seemed very sure of herself and genuine in her wants and desires. However, as times would be dramatically changing with the wild 60s just around the corner, she'd find herself drawn to it more with a new found realization that she didn't have to choose. I think she'd end up going back for that degree.

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I doubt it, her children would probably be in grade and or high school by the late 1960's. Since she wanted a traditional family so badly, I doubt that she would go back to school before her children graduated from high school, maybe even college. By the time she applied she would be in her mid forties, by the time she graduated (assuming she went part-time, rather than full time) she would be nearly fifty years old when she finished her degree. I hate to say it, but unless Joan opened her own law practice, I don't see her getting hired by a law firm (remember that for the "greatest generation" late fifties-early sixties was the beginning of old age). Plus, I doubt Tommy would help her get hired anywhere, remember, he wants dinner by five.

"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end." - Spock

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Yes....but only because Tommy was an equally poor choice to Betty's husband. I mean Joan was doing Tommy's homework for him, so he knows she's smarter than him and he's essentially using her. I imagine they also get divorced, but likely not before she has a child.

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I understood that the film was showing women doing what they chose to, literally.
And I didn't doubt that Joan truly wanted a family.

But I also truly felt that Joan would regret not being a lawyer at some point, perhaps even while she was pregnant or home alone with the children.

The look on Joan's face when Ms. Watson walks away speaks volumes.
Joan already looks unsure & a bit sad.





I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush.

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There are plenty of law schools that have been offering work-study and night classes for decades. I'd like to imagine Joan would be inspired by NOW and the women's movement to go back and get her law degree in the 1970s.

~ fin ~

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Joan had a good head on her shoulders. She weighed her options, and made her decision. I don't think she regretted it.

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She will, that's the point. When Joan and Tommy graduated from college, they were in the honeymoon phase of their marriage. With any luck things will be good for a few years, but when Tommy's career takes off and Joan starts having children, things will change. Add the turbulent nature of the 60's and 70's to that, and the changing role of women... I just never thought they'd make it.

"Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end." - Spock

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She will, that's the point.


So...you think she will regret her choice. I don't. There's no right answer here since the movie ends before we find out. However, I would point out that, although rare, there are couples that stay happily married their whole lives (even during the turbulent nature of the 60s or 70s). Joan toyed with the notion of law school, but she never went through with applying. During her first discussion with Julia Roberts' character, she said that after school, she'd be married. That was her goal. That was her priority. It wasn't even Joan who obtained the application to law school--that was all Roberts. As Joan pointed out much later, it was her choice not to go. She also said Tommy would have supported it. Joan wasn't a stupid or weak character. She knew what she wanted and wasn't afraid to stand up for that--even to a pushy and judgmental professor she admired. She didn't want to be a part-time mother or wife. Nothing wrong with that, and I just didn't see any indication that she would regret it later on. Yes, she and Tommy probably were in their "honeymoon phase" of the relationship, but it doesn't mean they didn't go on to have a fulfilling marriage. Joan decided she would be happiest having and taking care of a family long before Roberts' character came along. And I like to think she was right on in her decision.

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Not really. I think she may have the occasional reflection on how her life would have been different if she went to lawschool, however, I really think she first and foremost wanted the family life and it was enough for her know that she was accepted.

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