HARRY POTTER AND THE BIBLE


I personally am against Harry Potter. When I first heard about the books (around the time that the whole Harry Potter "craze" started) I wanted to get into it like many of the other people who were talking about it. However, when I talked to my mom about it she warned me against it.

Later on I saw a book at my church (I am Christian) called Harry Potter and The Bible, intrigued I decided to read it. I found the book very informing. I also found out that the Christian religion is strongly against Sorcery and Witchcraft.

The more I read into the book the more I also found out about the sources the author used to gain information for Harry Potter, many of them are direct links to the Occult. This all frightened me very much. I found out that Harry Potter is not simply innocent fun, it has real references to ancient witchcraft practices and sorcery. I hope that everyone who reads this looks more into what I am saying. It is truely evil material that people are dealing with. Don't laugh at what I am saying and dismiss it as nonsense, just look into it more.

Clearly The Bible says that witchcraft is evil:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who ...practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you." - Deut. 18:10-14

Aside from the fact that it promotes witchcraft Harry's BEHAVIOR during the film and in the books is not model behavior for children. He breaks set rules yet always seems to get out of punishment!! This sets bad examples for children, teaching them that rule breaking is fun and acceptable!

I hope this helps some of you out who were perhaps questioning the "innocence" of Harry Potter and even those who weren't. I also reccomend reading Harry Potter and the Bible. It really has a lot of good information.

I also found the following links to be useful:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/harrypotter.html - VERY GOOD PLEASE VIEW!!
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/HP-Movie.htm

The fact is, witchcraft is NOT a fantasy, it is a reality, it is really practiced by real people, who use spells etc.!! There is even a religion formed around witchcraft called Wicca!! Harry Potter just promotes this and encourages children and adults to turn away from God and to invistigate sinful things. Please don't let this happen to your children or you...put a stop to Harry Potter!!

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Well, I guess we were about due for another "Harry Potter is Evil" thread.

rcgquestions, it is a shame that you have not read the books and just took the word of another person. Much of those places that you have quoted or told us to see are extremely biased and really have no clue as to the truth about Harry Potter. Yes, Harry is a wizard. However, the kind of wizard he is, is not true to our modern "witchcraft" (i.e. Wicca). I myself am a Christian and attented Lutheran school my whole life. I also have studied the occult, Wicca, and Satanism. So I think I am a pretty good judge as to what is evil. Harry Potter is not evil at all. There is a great message inside. How do you know about Harry's behavior and if he is punished or not? Did you read it for yourself or just take the word of some conservative fundamentalist (I'm guessing the latter)? You say that JKR took things from the occult and put them in her book. Well in the Bible it talks about Satan, witchcraft, murder, incest, etc. Should we all stop reading that because it has these types of subjects inside? You are mistaken about Wicca. They do not practice the same kind of "witchraft" that is used in the Harry Potter books. I don't really consider Wicca "witchcraft" at all and if you actually knew more about it you might feel the same way. Since you haven't even read Harry Potter how can you say "Harry Potter just promotes this and encourages children and adults to turn away from God and to invistigate sinful things." If you read the books for yourself you would know this is complete rubbish. At no time in the books does it say "forsake God and worship Satan". That is one of the most rediculous things I have heard (and I have heard a lot). What scares me more are the masses of people who do not think on their own and just blindly accept the words of another person.


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I am also a christian but i don't see wat's so wronge about reading harry potter. I agree with u when u said withcraft is evil but just because someone reads a book doesn't mean they believe anything it says. Many people read the bible and even go to church but that doesn't mean they know God.
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I agree. i'm a hp fan too, although i must point out that i will always be a christian first and a hp fan second. If any christian opposes to the books, fine. They must follow their own concience in this, as i follow mine. But, i do agree that judging the books without even reading them, and taking other peoples word for it, is kinda crazy. of course, one expects other christians to be trustworthy. the only problem as i have seen so far is, that many christians repeat rumors and opinions that they heard from people who have not read the books but were repeating rumors and opinions that they heard from other people who have not read the books and so on. This happens a lot, i recall the pokemon panic and the dungeons and dragons dread. Many claims were (and still are) made in church by people who have obviously not researched the subject at all. One interview even said " We know that one in 10-15 people are playing dungeons and dragons. unfortunately we could find not a single person who plays this game to interview" while according to their own graphs, logic dictates that simply pulling 20 people off the streets would have yielded one or two people who do play that game.
Again, if any of my brothers and sisters object to harry potter and believe it to be wrong, i will respect that and keep the books and movies away from them. But i would appreciate it if they would at least do some study first.
As for the argument that it will draw young children into wiccan practices and all...i agree partially. i do think its unwise, to say the least, to let children younger then 12 read the books and watch the movies. It would be better to read the books at an age when one can understand the difference between reality and fantasy, which younger children cannot.

furthermore, i agree with rose-lisa that the book focuses on the 'good' side. And if harry and the others have some character flaws...well don't we all! thats just reality. Nowhere does jk rowling even remotely suggest that Voldemort or the Dark Side (to borrow a phrase from another movie) is something thats admirable or even acceptable. dunno what she will do in the last two books, but i'd be sorely dissapointed if Voldemort turned out to be the hero of the story...

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Well, this is the way I see it... I'm Catholic, which means I follow the Pope, and he actually really likes the books. Second, the Bible cannot be taken literally, I mean it said that wearing two different types of fabric is a sin... and well I'm wearing all sorts of differnt types of fabric. The KKK used the Bible to condone their actions. So, believe what you want. Cuz I sure will.

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Oh dear. Cannot be taken literally? Is that what they are teaching in the Catholic church? You might actually try studying the bible yourself before you pontificate on its literalness (pun intended).

For example, the wearing of two types of fabric was NOT a sin and shame on the priest who told you otherwise (of course, if you had read it for yourself you would know it was wrong). What was forbidden was the wearing of a SINGLE fabric made from both linen and wool (see Leviticus 22:11). And, it was forbidden only to the ISRAELITES. This was intended to remind the Israelites that they were to remain separate from the other nations around them. They were also not to use two kinds of seed in their vineyards or plow their fields with a donkey and an ox together for the same reason. It was a daily reminder to keep themselves separate. It clearly says "You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together." If you don't take that literally, how do you take it? How can you symbolically not wear a fabric made of linen and wool? I'd like to know.

This sort of misunderstanding and misquoting of the bible is exactly the same sort of thing the KKK does to justify their actions. Do you want to be like the KKK? 'Cuz you are, in that respect. In the book of Acts, it says that the Bereans were "noble-minded" because they searched the scriptures to make sure that the things Paul was teaching them were right. Do you want to be noble-minded, or would you rather be like the KKK and the Nazis?

One more thing: you can follow the pope all you want. The pope cannot save you; he's just a man who has taken upon himself honor that is reserved only for God. As for me, I'll follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

Oh, and by the way, I read all the HP books out loud to my kids (complete with voices). The only downside of this is that they don't enjoy the movies as much because "their voices don't sound right."

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I think you shouldn't feel offended as a christian. First of all I am not religious but respect and sometimes admire the ones who do belive. We live in a free socity and your free to believe or not believe in a certan religion. Just as we are free to write fiction wich the bible may not a prove. I think when your thinking about the bible and what is wrong harry potter is the least you'll have to worry about. What about the thousands of violent movies? I am not saying it is a useless comment I am just saying that there are much more worse things that offend the bible.

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I agree with most of what you said. I haven't done much research on this topic, but I'm sure that it does contain lots of witchcraft and stuff. I am a Christian as well, by the way. However, I think you should do some more of th research on your own. It was probably good for you to read that book about how Harry Potter relates to the Bible, but you should search the Bible yourself to find the answers you need. Don't condem Harry Potter before you read it, and don't let someone spoonfeed you the Bible. Strengthen yourself with the Word of God and be aware of who is interpreting the Bible for you.

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Yes,I am christian too,but I go to my Youth classes and my priest asked me if I have ever read Harry Potter...he said they were really really good!He said I should try them,because it is a good way to get into reading.And actually,he was right!I tried it,and now I am reading every day!

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i am christian to, and so are all my friends. all of them( including me) can read the books and see the movies. i personally love them. but i dont go around practising witchcraft and all that stuff. yet i sometimes run around the house sayingstuff like "wingardium leviosa" and other things. these books/ movies are to show how good triumphs over evil. my bff and her familly and I all think tat in the 7th book, J.k. is going to say that she is a christian. and i remember when people burned like thousands of copys of HP and the sorcerers stone. that was a horibble time. they could of just not bought them. and HP isnt all magic. it has other things in it as well. so keep your bloddy hate comments about harry potter to your own bloddy self!

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im not a christian but plz do not dismiss me from this board.I see nothing wrong with harry potter.I mean yes,there are some evil magical people but harry only breaks the rules to save people!If you knew that in your school,there was a hidden chamber with a monster in it about to come out to kill people,would you rather be killed or break a few rules?I personally love harry potter,and thats right.Its just a book and it cant hurt anyone,tho some people can be offended,but i dont see how.Its just good beating evil,as phantomgurlygurl109 has said.OH NO!!!!!!THEY BURNED COPIES OF HP AND THE PHILOSIPHERS STONE?!?!?!?!?!(i live in canada so its philosiphers stone)THATS HORRIBLE!!!wat a loss......oh and anyway,If there WERE magical people in the world,and im not sayin there is,that not ALL of them would be evil.Like,hav you seen the series Bewitched?Its about a good-natured witch marrying a normal human being.She wasnt evil.So wats the big deal???

"You're a witch!"
"Thats what i've been trying to tell you" Bewitched,Ep.1,se.1.Darrin and Sam.

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I just want to know what you think Wicca is? It is most definitely nothing Satanic or even close. Wiccans simply celebrate nature. Satan and witchcraft has nothing to do with it. They do have some Holidays that may seem very strange to outsiders because they celebrate things such as the vernal equinox. But really, nothing they do is any stranger than any other religion. I did not know any of this until recently when a judge in my state ruled that parents could not teach there child Wicca. An appeals court rightfully overturned that decision. There was a lot of information about this in the newspapers that really shined the light on what Wicca really is. Not even close to Satanism.

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I dont care much for HP,i like it a little sure, but i prefer The Young Sherlock Holmes movie,what i like about HP is that its doing what the church was doing years ago:Teaching kids how to read but without all the brainwashing,i was raised Catholic and i dont practice my faith according to the dogmas,and im also an Historian and Theologian,i came here only becuz i was looking for Chris Colombus stuff and then i saw this thread.

The problem that were dealing with still today(as with your case) with the Christians belief system,is the belief that there is only 1 God,1 thruth and 1 salvation,the thing is that early on when the religion took over the world but especialy Europe,the Church declared all forms of NATIVE tribal religion paganism to take over and seize power along with the Roman Empire who had just turned Christian,they all put them in 1 big basket judged and condemned them, even other big organised religions of that time.

And so they dubbed them pagans but not pagans as in something other than christian faith,more like pagan = demon worshiper whatever type of paganism even if it was a nice religion nicer than Christianity as it was the case with Wiccan religion and the druides who were killed in Ireland and northern europe.(Now thats evil!)I would be greatly surprised to read that a Wiccan ever killed a Christian concerning his faith.Some people might say
"But Wiccan's practiced human sacrifices back then"my response is they saw it as an honor just like the Native's of South America or the people working on the Egyptian pyramids,it was an honor given only to the chosen few of a certain class in that particular society,it wasnt slaves or poor people that were sacrificed,maybe a few slaves and prisonners were depending on the culture but mostly it was the rich and powerfull aka the elite given to the God.Think about it,wouldnt you reserve only the best possible seat and the best available food for GOD,to either appease him,bless you or please him.I know i wouldnt give him some cheap junkfood an old broken chair,a carboard plate with plactic fork and a dirty table.No i would put the nicest thing possible,so why should it be different for them.

Ok back to paganism....
Everything from Polytheism or female Godess worshiping even male and female gods or things that they used to worship but decided to remove becuz of a few men's political/social power agenda's they wanted to be the sole power and they achieved it(It still exists today,no woman priesthood).

All that rejection of old beliefs considered paganism dates back to the Jewish Old testament one example of that would be the sacramental cannabis oil that was removed from Jewish practices,after a while it was
re-instated and then finaly removed for good.Same with the female godess Ishtar/Venus or the multiple God's Elohims that became Elohim the one true God.

There has been much much more worst evil deeds commited by the Church in the name of "God" in the past
(Inquisition,Witch Hunts,missionary and country's who forced conversion upon the people they conquered in Africa,South and North America,The Holy Wars,human sacrifices and cannibalism commited by Christians soldiers on muslim children inside a muslim city that they were allowed to stay in for shelter after the Califa accepted them during the Holy wars,that cannibalism wasnt a case of starving people needing to eat or some sort of religious significance,the re reasoning behind it was to seize the victims power,they really did these rituals even tho they were invited in the Ottoman city and they were never punished by either the Church or the Califa,and then the assasination of the gnostic templars who fought the holy wars for the Church becuz they were growing too strong had too much power,money,they had jewish and muslim friends and becuz of the pagan gnosticism,at the same time you had the rapant corruption in the church that made Luther create is own christian sect i wont list everything but you can see what im saying) and still today (children abuse,corruption,power structures and power struggles)alot more and much more evil deeds of Christian origin than in the Harry Potter books and movies combined.And im not a fan of Harry Potter becuz i feel its mostly plagiarism not paganism,Wicca is the religion of Mother Earth much like the Native American's its a nice religion.

The 1 thing in recent years that i feel is the most corruptive force for kids out there is MTV ever since the mid 90's with the Spring Breaks special and other things,all the corporate issued "rebel" movement like modern hip-hop and fake-punk,but especialy the early years of Britney Spears pretending to be a good little girl so kids and stupid parents see her as a rolemodel when all right minded adults knew what she was all about,she played the slut for young and adult men and the virgin for little girls that now emulate her
(plastic surgery,sexualy active when its not the right age,no love just sex,acting dumb and being pretty and so on and so fort)just so she and the people behind her can make more $ and get more attention.

Now that she has done the complete slut act with her last 2 albums the Slave for You album with full orgy re-inactment video,then Christina Aguilera had to fireback with an even more slutty orgy video and then the lesbian kisse's on stage with Madonna,her stupid Britney show and her stupid comments about how great sex is. Try to imagine 10 years from now the number of unwanted pregnencys,abortions,venerial disease,abuse of all kinds,single mothers,screwed up kids numbers will rise up,all becuz of 1 little tease(Britney) and a giant corporation(Viacom)hopefully the trend will backfire and the result will be a complete 180' turn in younger people's mentality.Thats what i hate about Britney and people like her,they play mindgames they are such subtle corrupters of young minds,they are basicaly genious's at what they do.
I have more respect for the common Porn Star than Britney,cuz at least the porn star does what she does and its for well informed consenting adults she doesnt try to sell a fake image of herself to appeal to the kids.
Even Madonna didnt play the kid game,Madonna was a slut she was proud and happy to say it everywhere,not very marketable for kids is it?

Thats why i have more respect for Madonna or porn stars that assume their respective roles fully,than a little untalented,not very pretty from the outside(surely ugly from the inside)not very bright,surely manipulative evil little brat/tease-whore.

BTW if you want to see some blatant paganism look at your christian faith with some objetivity:The Virgin and the baby = Pagan Godess from way before Christianity it was put in there to appease the pagans of Europe who wouldnt convert fully and probably for some African pagans too,all the images,statues,idols of the saints,Jesus,Mary,Joseph,God,in Church that your not supposed to idolizes according to the book but still christians adore them.The Cross,we shoud have fish's not cross's,even the pope shouldnt exist,Jesus wouldnt approve.

But something that is clearly even less christian that should trully tell you something is wrong is the conservative fundamentalists ageneda in the USA that trully believe that killing "Evil people is ok" people like prisonners and people from other country's like Evangilical Preacher Pat Robertson saying that the USA should kill Venezualan president Hugo Chavez.
Jesus was opposed to all forms of killing,only God said to kill in the old testament concerning the jews and their neighbours,not Jesus.So i guess they have no right to call themselves Christians,they should be God followers.They sound more like devil worshippers to me.
But even true demon worshippers
(not satanists cuz thats not the same thing as a demon worshipper Satan is part of Christianity again another example of the confusion brought by the term pagan)even they could never do as much harm as the Church did just becuz they dont have power in numbers.Im not saying the church hasnt done any good,not at all,but a mob is a mob,mob mentality can lead people to do pretty horrific otherwise unthinkable things you know.

All those people are quick to judge the "sinfull",ready to condemn them saying they are no good,never were never will be any good,they will all burn in hell,God wont be there for them etc...They judge so they could end up in hell instead of the "sinners".
But God always forgives and forgives all whatever the case,so i doubt that
JK Rowling and people reading the books or seing the movies will be judged on that fact and even if they were they would be forgiven,even the Devil in my book should be forgiven,becuz God allowed it to happen in the first place hoping that you will reconsider or repent and change your actions one day so that you and others make this world a better place for everyone and everything,complete each other and you will come closer to becoming God yourself as a collective.

I know im going way deep into the virtue talk and the philosophical stuff for a HP thread but i have to set the Chritians mind straight.

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Wow. Long posts here!

Firts of all, this is just my opinion, so don't attack me.
I'm a Christian. I believe in God, angels, and most of the Bible. I've read every Harry Potter-book at least ten times, and seen the movies just as much. For me, it's just entertainment, just like the hundreds of other books I've read and movies I've seen. I mean, just because it may have some roots in reality it doesn't mean it's meant to be taken seriously.
And people who mean wisards and witches and sorcery are plain evil, should get their head checked out. In my opinion, nothing is absolutely evil. It's evil because we make it evil, because we think it's evil. I probably sound like a psycho saying this, but I think it's the reason behind our actions that makes the action evil, or good. I'm not sure how to explain that in a good way, so I'll leave it to you to figure it out.
Bottom is, Harry Potter is just a book, not real, and will remain that unless people out in the world make it "real". So why can't just Christians, Wiccas and everybody else just enjoy it as it is, an amazing, great, funny and entertaining BOOK?
But what do I know? After all, I'm just a fourteen year old girl in a crappy little town in the cold north of Norway...
Merry Christmas by the way!

I believe in magic powers. How else could God have created our world?
I wanna be a dragon
A big, scary, green dragon =0)

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Wow. For a self-professed "theologian" you certainly has a deep misunderstanding of a lot of basic tenants of Christianity. Ditto "historian" and history. If I were to respond to all of the egregious errors, my post would be even longer than yours, but suffice to say you've evidently confused "Christianity" with "catholicism." They are not synonymous, as any theologian and historian knows.

For someone who accuses christians of "always being quick to judge the 'sinfull'," you are certainly quick to lump all christians together and judge them.

"But God always forgives and forgives all whatever the case." This is of course complete and utter nonsense so it fits right in with most of the rest of your thoughts on religious and spiritual matters. God gave us free will so He allows a lot of things that are not His will, because He gives us a choice. He doesn't send anyone to hell; they send themselves by their choices.

Stop trying to "set [Christians] mind straight" because you don't have your own straight.

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First of all, I think it's good that you're taking a stand for what you think is right and being real. I'm a Christian too, but I think you're doing this the wrong way. It's cool that you did some research on this and everything. It's interesting that Rowling looked into older sorcery before creating these books. However, I think you should read the books yourself, and then see what you think. The Bible does not condemn reading a story that contains sorcery and/or witchcraft. It condemns partaking in it and endulging in it. I don't think the books themselves are biblically inappropriate though.

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Harry Potter doesnt promote Satanistic behavior or rituals any more than Cinderella or Goldmember.

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Harry Potter does not promote evil at all in fact the bible itself does more to promote evil and has directly killed more innocent people than any other book in history. Do you really know how you sound when you more or less say "don't read harry potter because it contains magic and is therefore promoting evil and I don't need to read it to know this"

would it not be true to say jesus uses magic in the bible because he does some unlikly things. But then the bible is also a written by man and is almost certianly more fiction than fact.Only thing is people who call themselves "gods followers" see the need both today and thoughout history to go start wars or kill people because they don't agree with them.

And you think harry potter books are evil

You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

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I am a Roman cathlic and a Hp fan but if u think a book desecrates a religion then ure going too far. anyone who thinks that is just a phsychopath and a Retard

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Quick question: Who has the bible directly killed?

If misguided people say "I'm going to kill you because you are a Democrat," is that the fault of all Republicans? If I decide that you need to die because you wear Calvin Klein jeans instead of Levis 501s, is that Levi Strauss's fault? Then how is it God's fault if idiots throughout history misinterpret what He said?

"almost certianly more fiction than fact" On what do you base this statement? No serious historian believes that; are you better informed than they are? With all the atheistic historians out there, don't you think they would LOVE to be able to say that? But they can't. Perhaps you should enighten them. Cite sources.

Stop trying to use logic; you'll hurt yourself.

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-sigh- You don't know how many of these I've seen. Please- J.K. Rowling is NOT promoting evil. The spells are derived from Latin, Greek, and other languages. You'd have to be pretty weak-minded to start practicing real sorcery after just reading Harry Potter. FYI, I am a Christian.

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Seriously, man, I know. ;D I used to be a resident of..DUN DUN DUN.. the AOL boards! *cold shiver runs through room*

No quote is good enough for MY signature.

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Hear, hear! If certain geniuses think you can learn magic by reading Harry Potter, then they haven't read it closely enough (or, more likely, at all). In the books, you have to already have magical powers! Just pointing a stick at something and saying "Flippendo!" will not make it flip over; it will just make you look like a Harry Potter nerd.

Now, there is some magic you can do; pointing the same stick at someone and saying "Impedimenta" will not impede them in the least, but it will make the one pointing the stick turn into a dork.

On second thought, that's not magic; anyone who would do that is most likely a dork already.

Don't forget; they celebrate Christmas at Hogwarts.

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The fact that you know specific details from HP novels automatically makes you a 'nerd'!

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