I dont care much for HP,i like it a little sure, but i prefer The Young Sherlock Holmes movie,what i like about HP is that its doing what the church was doing years ago:Teaching kids how to read but without all the brainwashing,i was raised Catholic and i dont practice my faith according to the dogmas,and im also an Historian and Theologian,i came here only becuz i was looking for Chris Colombus stuff and then i saw this thread.
The problem that were dealing with still today(as with your case) with the Christians belief system,is the belief that there is only 1 God,1 thruth and 1 salvation,the thing is that early on when the religion took over the world but especialy Europe,the Church declared all forms of NATIVE tribal religion paganism to take over and seize power along with the Roman Empire who had just turned Christian,they all put them in 1 big basket judged and condemned them, even other big organised religions of that time.
And so they dubbed them pagans but not pagans as in something other than christian faith,more like pagan = demon worshiper whatever type of paganism even if it was a nice religion nicer than Christianity as it was the case with Wiccan religion and the druides who were killed in Ireland and northern europe.(Now thats evil!)I would be greatly surprised to read that a Wiccan ever killed a Christian concerning his faith.Some people might say
"But Wiccan's practiced human sacrifices back then"my response is they saw it as an honor just like the Native's of South America or the people working on the Egyptian pyramids,it was an honor given only to the chosen few of a certain class in that particular society,it wasnt slaves or poor people that were sacrificed,maybe a few slaves and prisonners were depending on the culture but mostly it was the rich and powerfull aka the elite given to the God.Think about it,wouldnt you reserve only the best possible seat and the best available food for GOD,to either appease him,bless you or please him.I know i wouldnt give him some cheap junkfood an old broken chair,a carboard plate with plactic fork and a dirty table.No i would put the nicest thing possible,so why should it be different for them.
Ok back to paganism....
Everything from Polytheism or female Godess worshiping even male and female gods or things that they used to worship but decided to remove becuz of a few men's political/social power agenda's they wanted to be the sole power and they achieved it(It still exists today,no woman priesthood).
All that rejection of old beliefs considered paganism dates back to the Jewish Old testament one example of that would be the sacramental cannabis oil that was removed from Jewish practices,after a while it was
re-instated and then finaly removed for good.Same with the female godess Ishtar/Venus or the multiple God's Elohims that became Elohim the one true God.
There has been much much more worst evil deeds commited by the Church in the name of "God" in the past
(Inquisition,Witch Hunts,missionary and country's who forced conversion upon the people they conquered in Africa,South and North America,The Holy Wars,human sacrifices and cannibalism commited by Christians soldiers on muslim children inside a muslim city that they were allowed to stay in for shelter after the Califa accepted them during the Holy wars,that cannibalism wasnt a case of starving people needing to eat or some sort of religious significance,the re reasoning behind it was to seize the victims power,they really did these rituals even tho they were invited in the Ottoman city and they were never punished by either the Church or the Califa,and then the assasination of the gnostic templars who fought the holy wars for the Church becuz they were growing too strong had too much power,money,they had jewish and muslim friends and becuz of the pagan gnosticism,at the same time you had the rapant corruption in the church that made Luther create is own christian sect i wont list everything but you can see what im saying) and still today (children abuse,corruption,power structures and power struggles)alot more and much more evil deeds of Christian origin than in the Harry Potter books and movies combined.And im not a fan of Harry Potter becuz i feel its mostly plagiarism not paganism,Wicca is the religion of Mother Earth much like the Native American's its a nice religion.
The 1 thing in recent years that i feel is the most corruptive force for kids out there is MTV ever since the mid 90's with the Spring Breaks special and other things,all the corporate issued "rebel" movement like modern hip-hop and fake-punk,but especialy the early years of Britney Spears pretending to be a good little girl so kids and stupid parents see her as a rolemodel when all right minded adults knew what she was all about,she played the slut for young and adult men and the virgin for little girls that now emulate her
(plastic surgery,sexualy active when its not the right age,no love just sex,acting dumb and being pretty and so on and so fort)just so she and the people behind her can make more $ and get more attention.
Now that she has done the complete slut act with her last 2 albums the Slave for You album with full orgy re-inactment video,then Christina Aguilera had to fireback with an even more slutty orgy video and then the lesbian kisse's on stage with Madonna,her stupid Britney show and her stupid comments about how great sex is. Try to imagine 10 years from now the number of unwanted pregnencys,abortions,venerial disease,abuse of all kinds,single mothers,screwed up kids numbers will rise up,all becuz of 1 little tease(Britney) and a giant corporation(Viacom)hopefully the trend will backfire and the result will be a complete 180' turn in younger people's mentality.Thats what i hate about Britney and people like her,they play mindgames they are such subtle corrupters of young minds,they are basicaly genious's at what they do.
I have more respect for the common Porn Star than Britney,cuz at least the porn star does what she does and its for well informed consenting adults she doesnt try to sell a fake image of herself to appeal to the kids.
Even Madonna didnt play the kid game,Madonna was a slut she was proud and happy to say it everywhere,not very marketable for kids is it?
Thats why i have more respect for Madonna or porn stars that assume their respective roles fully,than a little untalented,not very pretty from the outside(surely ugly from the inside)not very bright,surely manipulative evil little brat/tease-whore.
BTW if you want to see some blatant paganism look at your christian faith with some objetivity:The Virgin and the baby = Pagan Godess from way before Christianity it was put in there to appease the pagans of Europe who wouldnt convert fully and probably for some African pagans too,all the images,statues,idols of the saints,Jesus,Mary,Joseph,God,in Church that your not supposed to idolizes according to the book but still christians adore them.The Cross,we shoud have fish's not cross's,even the pope shouldnt exist,Jesus wouldnt approve.
But something that is clearly even less christian that should trully tell you something is wrong is the conservative fundamentalists ageneda in the USA that trully believe that killing "Evil people is ok" people like prisonners and people from other country's like Evangilical Preacher Pat Robertson saying that the USA should kill Venezualan president Hugo Chavez.
Jesus was opposed to all forms of killing,only God said to kill in the old testament concerning the jews and their neighbours,not Jesus.So i guess they have no right to call themselves Christians,they should be God followers.They sound more like devil worshippers to me.
But even true demon worshippers
(not satanists cuz thats not the same thing as a demon worshipper Satan is part of Christianity again another example of the confusion brought by the term pagan)even they could never do as much harm as the Church did just becuz they dont have power in numbers.Im not saying the church hasnt done any good,not at all,but a mob is a mob,mob mentality can lead people to do pretty horrific otherwise unthinkable things you know.
All those people are quick to judge the "sinfull",ready to condemn them saying they are no good,never were never will be any good,they will all burn in hell,God wont be there for them etc...They judge so they could end up in hell instead of the "sinners".
But God always forgives and forgives all whatever the case,so i doubt that
JK Rowling and people reading the books or seing the movies will be judged on that fact and even if they were they would be forgiven,even the Devil in my book should be forgiven,becuz God allowed it to happen in the first place hoping that you will reconsider or repent and change your actions one day so that you and others make this world a better place for everyone and everything,complete each other and you will come closer to becoming God yourself as a collective.
I know im going way deep into the virtue talk and the philosophical stuff for a HP thread but i have to set the Chritians mind straight.
Wow. Long posts here!
Firts of all, this is just my opinion, so don't attack me.
I'm a Christian. I believe in God, angels, and most of the Bible. I've read every Harry Potter-book at least ten times, and seen the movies just as much. For me, it's just entertainment, just like the hundreds of other books I've read and movies I've seen. I mean, just because it may have some roots in reality it doesn't mean it's meant to be taken seriously.
And people who mean wisards and witches and sorcery are plain evil, should get their head checked out. In my opinion, nothing is absolutely evil. It's evil because we make it evil, because we think it's evil. I probably sound like a psycho saying this, but I think it's the reason behind our actions that makes the action evil, or good. I'm not sure how to explain that in a good way, so I'll leave it to you to figure it out.
Bottom is, Harry Potter is just a book, not real, and will remain that unless people out in the world make it "real". So why can't just Christians, Wiccas and everybody else just enjoy it as it is, an amazing, great, funny and entertaining BOOK?
But what do I know? After all, I'm just a fourteen year old girl in a crappy little town in the cold north of Norway...
Merry Christmas by the way!
I believe in magic powers. How else could God have created our world?
I wanna be a dragon
A big, scary, green dragon =0)
Wow. For a self-professed "theologian" you certainly has a deep misunderstanding of a lot of basic tenants of Christianity. Ditto "historian" and history. If I were to respond to all of the egregious errors, my post would be even longer than yours, but suffice to say you've evidently confused "Christianity" with "catholicism." They are not synonymous, as any theologian and historian knows.
For someone who accuses christians of "always being quick to judge the 'sinfull'," you are certainly quick to lump all christians together and judge them.
"But God always forgives and forgives all whatever the case." This is of course complete and utter nonsense so it fits right in with most of the rest of your thoughts on religious and spiritual matters. God gave us free will so He allows a lot of things that are not His will, because He gives us a choice. He doesn't send anyone to hell; they send themselves by their choices.
Stop trying to "set [Christians] mind straight" because you don't have your own straight.