American Family...crap


Being Spanish-Mexican-American, I find this show stereotypical of Mexicans in East Los Angeles(that's where we live, generally). Dad owns a barbershop, Mom sews and then she dies, they have kids blah blah blah. And their house is adobe pink and I can tell you outright, no one Hispanic or non-Hispanic, would paint their house like that!

This show is offensive, but not as offensive as Jimmy Smits portraying a Mexican in any of his movies.

And remember when watching movies about Mexicans: We just don't box! There's other sports we can do, too(ie baseball and football and soccer). Just remember there's Scott Gomez: 2 time Stanley Cup winner with the New Jersey Devils(2000 and 2003), Calder Cup winner(Rookie of the Year, 2000). Gomez' jersey number is 23.

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And what is a "typical" Hispanic family like? Or a black family? Or Irish? You can't seriously expect the writers to please everyone.

I am Native American and our people don't even have a show (unless you include those ridiculous westerns with the tan painted white actors). I'd be happy to have a series about someone trying to depict Indians without having braids and living in teepees.

You just can't please some people.

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You have a point, Swedensm. There isn't really a typical hispanic or non hispanic family and the writers can't please everyone. But the thing is we've been seeing stuff like this for ages. We want something new. Mexicans in East L.A. saying "essay" (sp?) all the time and talking in weird Spanglish (who talks like that?). It's so one-dimensional. First of all not all Mexicans live in East L.A. they live all over U.S. and in Canada too. Second of all, Mexicans. Nothing against them but why not feature Guatemalans or Chileans etc. Mexico is not the only country in Latin America. As for the Spanglish thing, I don't know. Maybe in East L.A. they talk like that, but I live here in Canada's West Coast in which a lot of Guatemalans, Salvadorans, and others from Central America live, and no one speaks like that. It's either Spanish or English, but if you mix both they think it's weird.
Anyway, I'm ranting. American Family is not good but I don't think it's crap. That Chasing Papi movie is much worse. And hey at least it doesn't have Jimmy Smits.

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I just want to comment that although I havent seen this series and probably i am not planning on it, that the same director of this series, Gregory Nava, directed the film "El Norte" in 1984 about two Mayan indians, a brother and sister, from Guatemala. Being Guatemalan, i am also saddened by the fact that the primary focus of hollywood, if any, is on Mexican culture. not that theres anything wrong with that, but they should also focus on other central american cultures as well, as they are all different. Its too bad that its been 20 years since a film like "El Norte" was made. For some reason, hollywood is convinced that movies made about Chicanos and Lations don't sell... obviously they haven't looked at the demographics of this country very carefully! there is a reason why movements like Third Cinema and Rasquache cinema arose.

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Maybe it's just easier for Hollywood because it is closest to Mexico (I agree with what you all have said, but you have to admit this is a possibility).

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Exactly! But PBS has been known to produce pretty good movies concerning native Americans.

And in my typical Hispanic family, my dad was in the US Navy for 20 years, my mom is a teacher aide in the Migrant Eduacation program teaching Mexican children English, my brother was in the US Marines for 11 years, my other brother is an independent farmer, my sister was in the US Navy for 10 years and now a freelance writer, I married a redneck who is in law enforcement and we have two young children that I stay home with.

There. There's your typical Hispanic family at life.

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I have to agree with you Swedensm. I don't even view American Family as stereotypical of Mexican life in America at all. What about the fact that you have professional people in the family. I think the show is wonderful. Also some of my favorite actors happen to be on the show:the brilliant Edward James Olmos, Esai Morales, Rachel Ticotin and Sonia Braga. You cannot go wrong when you have Edward James Olmos in the cast!


Also I agree with you about there not being ANY shows on tv featuring Indians(real ones and not White or Latin people playing them). Personally I would LOVE to see shows featuring American Indian people.(I do not generally say Native American. To me anyone born and raised in America is Native American. by the way, I am Caribbean. Also part Cree and part Blackfoot)I am an aspiring writer and my characters feature the REAL world that exists. I include ALL ethnic groups in my stories. I believe my stories will give a voice to people who don't a have voice onscreen or on TV generally. Many groups are not represented well or not at all. I want to change that.

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I don't think this show is offensive. I grew up in the Texas panhandle and know plenty of people who say say "esse" and speak Spanglish. It is not uncommon for my family to start off a sentence in Spanish and finish it in English because we mix and match our words. For the record, I grew up in pink house which was referred to as the "Casita Feliz" so no it is not unrealistic that someone actually live in pretty pink house. This show is a mile stone in that is on the air at all and for once the actors playing a Hispanic family are in fact of Hispanic descent. So that in it itself is a big step for Hollywood. This is an industry that cast Natalie Wood as Puerto Rican Maria for West Side Story, caused many Hispanic actors to drop their surnames or change them completely (Jimmy Smits, Constance Marie) just so they could get jobs that didn't require them to be maids or servants and yes still stereotypes what we sound and look like. But you know what, at least American Family, The George Lopez Show and Resurrection Blvd. give you slice of what Hispanic life is like for some people. No show is ever going to represent any typical family. Do you think Eskimos and native Alaskans thought Northern Exposure was a true view of their lives? Or that Minnesotians thought Fargo was a compliment to their state. Do you think Beverly Hills 90210 or Clueless give you true picture of life in Beverly Hills? Or that the OC is just exactly what teens in Orange County are like. Yes and no. Some of these people fit the mold other don't. We are unique, we are human, we are the same, we are different. I grew up without ever seeing Hispanic face on tv, unless you count Chico and the Man, and thought that if I wanted to be accepted into society I needed to stay out of the sun, not speak spanish and pronounce my name like an Anglo. I got over it because I grew up and realized that it takes all kinds to make the world go round and that I would be a happier to just be me with my stupid Spanglish and my funky way of dancing cumbias. I'm never going to dance salsa and meringue as well as my Columbian friend but I'm not fooled into thinking that everyone in Colombia is a great dancer with a fabulous wardrobe, pale skin and hazel eyes. And so you shouldn't look at American family and say it is crap because it doesn't represent you. If you want a show that represents you, write it, produce it, get it to the screen. Then wait for the feedback that says this doesn't represent me.

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I agree. I was wondering if this show was still on and wandered onto this page, glad to know its off. I think this show was bad and don't know why it's "critically acclaimed," I mean they should be able to see that this is the biggest piece of cheese out there. Being Mexican, I wanted to see this show when it came out. I tried to hang in there, I watched about 5 episodes, but it was like I was torturing myself (ok not that bad but you get the idea). The show seemed fake to me, I can't really explain why, but it did and I got that straight from the first episode. Even worse was when they changed the actor who played the son who took videos, the new guy is a terrible actor and dragged the show down even more. But I don't want to keep going, but yeah, this is a crappy show.

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tonce, I don't know if you post was directed at my message or the others. But my typical neighborhood was originaly in Naval Air Station Lemoore, Ca. in Alvarez Village. Everet Alvarez was the first Mexican and I beleive the second Navy pilot shot down over Vietnam(he was cell neighbors with Sen. John McCain, Az). We had white and Filipino neighbors and some Mexican. After that we lived in the civilian part of Lemoore with all the other retired Navy families who were white, Filipino, Mexican and black.

I'm not ashamed of my family or heritage. I'm ashamed of PBS who just want to portray Mexican-Americans as they did in American Family. And with Edward James Olmos, you can go wrong! He's very heavy handed with the Raza and he just doesn't speak for all of us.

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The Marines, huh? Well, NASL *beep* canned all the Marines at that base back in the mid-80's. But we do have a lot Mexican pride up here, but we don't make up the whole community; we and the other races do!

Not to be racist or anything but do you know what USMC stands for?









Uncle Sam's Mexican Calvary.

My former Marine brother told me that one!



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And the one that spoke so true; U Suckers Missed Christmas

Sempre Fey!

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Well, I personally had mixed feelings about the show. I liked some episodes especially when they filmed in and around Mexico City towards the end of the show and I hated some like when Edward james Olmos goes to tijuana and his soon sees him buying Viagra. I think the show was actually quite nice in some aspects. One thing to remember, this was always billed as an American Family that just happens to be Latino. If people are freaking out about this not being a typical hispanic family can't wait to see waht they saw about this being a typical american family.

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Can anyone help me find a tape or dvd on the Iraq episodes? I live in Mexico and don't have access to PBS. I tried calling AmFam publicity but they were no help, likewise PBS. Thanks, bill

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Their house is painted in a mint green and isn't made of adobe. They talked about the other sports Jess played football and even had a chance football scolorship (didn't work out). It's more about family than where they live orwhere they work.
If you didn't notice the kids of Jess and Berta are hardly steriotypical The oldest daughter, Vangie, is a fashion designer. the oldest son, Conrado, is a doctor. The next daughter, Nina, is a self-rightgous free-spirited lawyer who volunteers at a Rec Center. Esteban is the not on a lucky path he got into drugs as a kid but has vowed to live right and takes care of his young son Pablito. Cisco he's just a student who loves capturing film.
Berta is really traditional in the old school thought of a woman's place (Her mother taught her that) so she's going to sew, cook and clean, and make tortillas just like the traditional Mexican housewife was taught to.

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It is based on what is in E LA.
Perhaps now things have changed but for quite some time ELA was like this.
& yes Hispanics do have pink houses, but they arent the only ones. A man just built a brick mansion & it is pink. Who cares about house colour? I do tend to see Hispanics & asians w houses that are full of /decorated w lots of beautiful plants & greenery.

The show is wonderful not offensive.

I think Mexicans & all Hispanics are thought of for futbol and baseball. Who said they only box?
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