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As someone who has worked in juvenile detention centers -


As someone who has worked in juvenile detention centers, this was a hard movie to watch. I know, I know - movies oftentimes are not much like real life.

When they were bringing Leland to his cell the first time, I saw the worker in the control booth reading a newspaper rather than watching that the new intake was behaving, and I sensed they'd be showing juvies as places where rules aren't followed by staff

I've worked in three, including a good sized one in Lansing, MI - and I've never seen the ridiculous liberties taken in this movie. But I never bribed anybody with tickets either.

Though I worked with some staff who didn't care about the kids, who were there for a paycheck, still they followed the rules minimally. But I only worked 5 out of 21 shifts a week, so can't say how loose things might have been on other shifts.

This movie took place awhile back, as shown by the old school 'computer' Cheadle was typing on. 'Word processor' probably a better term. But nowadays no staff person would go into a single youth's cell and sit on the bed with them out of sight of other staff, not unless they wanted to lose their job and be suspected of all kinds of impropieties.

And the lackadaisical way the metal detector worker just let Cheadle in with his metal-containing lunch was a joke.

And I was well into the movie, and still unclear on who was related to who how.

I believe Spacey's character would have raised hell with the management at the facility when he learned Cheadle's character was attempting to write a book about his son, and about the smarmy way Cheadle approached him at the restaurant.

With the high caliber of actors in this film, I'm left wondering how it turned out so badly. Maybe they were about conveying a message rather than making a good movie?

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It's usually hard to watch movies on topics you know a lot about, because you can see where the truth has been stretched better than the average viewer. Still, most of your issues were addressed in the film:

• The movie was set in the time it was made, so roughly 2003. Cheadle's character was using an electric typewriter, not an old computer.

• Cheadle's character was not supposed to be a model employee, or person for that matter. He wasn't the good teacher with a heart of gold who just wanted to get through to a troubled youth. He was an absentee teacher who just put on videos or handed off his class to others, he bribed a co-worker, he disregarded direct instruction, he sought out a relationship with a co-worker under false pretenses, he wanted to write an exploitative book about a student...need I go on? Maybe he bribed the metal detecter guard too for all we know. The point is, he was never meant to represent a normal juvenile detention center worker—he was, in his own words, a "f-ck up."

• Leland's Dad was also not supposed to be a good character. He didn't make a bigger fuss about Cheadle because he didn't actually care about Leland. He just wanted to stop the competeing book about Leland from being written, so he could cash in on the story himself.

This movie represents juvenile detention centers neutrally, if anything. The major theme of this movie is the duality of human nature...good and bad, joy and suffering, all that. Almost every character makes mistakes that are detrimental to others, mirroring Leland's mistake of murder, and that's what all the liberties Cheadle's character takes are about, not making some statement about juvies being lax.

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you probably won't check this but...while not the same exact thing, I used to work at a behavioral health hospital. And I feel like when he slipped him that pencil in the beginning...that could easily be used as a weapon. Would that be allowed, especially to a fresh new murderer who just came in?? Maybe it would but...that rubbed me wrong...

I mean yes, okay, let me rephrase that...it wasn't allowed in the movie either. It just seemed waaaaaay too huge of a risk for him to make, especially without knowing anything about the kid yet. Later on in the movie, I'd see it. But not right out the door. Huge safety risk and if something went awry, very bad consequences. More than just sitting in a room and talking to him even though he's not supposed to.Even if he was wanting to write a book. Give him a crayon or some *beep* instead lol.

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100% with you. I spent time in Green Ridge Juvenile in Maryland in the mid 90's and none of what I saw was even remotely possible for an inmate, and I wasn't in for murder. Simply a very confused kid that got very, very violent quickly and didn't have an off switch because I didn't know what I was doing in that span.

The yard was actually the craziest to me. We never had that kind of freedom. My first week I dunked on the basketball court and lost privileges for two weeks for "causing a disturbance". Didn't know you weren't allowed to dunk. I figured they just never saw a white boy do it. :)

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