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a young woman's survival kit


I did find the Turkish woman's reaction quite wrong, when she gave into having sex with her big Indian boss and then with Sneaky in order to get her passport. First, there are plenty of safe jobs a girl can do in London, even without papers. Secondly, it is very unlikely that a woman coming from a reasonably good background, a virgin and from a Moslem country, would behave so innocently (at 22, you're very mature in these countries) and would accept to have sex just to keep a lousy underpaid job. There are many avenues a girl who has the guts to leave her family and live by herself in the West, would try before she gets into "prostitution", even mildly. Stephen Frears obviously knows very little about women, and carries on the very old cliches of the "vulnerable victimized female" in a settings that suits his prejudices and/or the tastes of his public. I had a pretty adventurous and unprotected life myself since my teans and know too well how sharks start piling up as soon as they feel blood, but when you have made the choice of a tough life, you usually know bettter than selling your body or your soul for any such "advantages". A much better route in a big city is to hang around, go to the pub, make friends (your age) and stick with people who are like you or who respect you. Be choosy and keep your integrity, a much preferable item than food or even a shelter for the night. I have met a lot of very nice people when I was in need, much more than I do now that I don't need help or support anymore. I guess that film would be fine, if it did not give such a very false image of reality and of the reality of those who struggle to survive. They often only have their values and dignity as a shield, and they instinctively know that if they give away any bit of them, them may very well end up deeply hurt or even dead. Too bad for the trivialized vision of the main female character; I liked the film otherwise.

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Yes, I see where you're coming from, Maeva. I had similar feelings (though from a male's perspective, of course) - basically, that this movie veered far too much into territory that I could only classify as "sensationalism" - it started right away when Okwe (a doctor) was called into the back room at the taxi office, and Okwe's boss undid his pants and motioned towards his genitals, leading the viewer initially to believe that Okwe was supposed to provide oral sex on his boss, when in fact his boss expected a doctor's expert opinion on some sort of venereal disease problem. There were many other examples of this carefully staged sensationalism throughout the movie. I wouldn't say it ruined the movie... no, actually I found the story quite entertaining. But really, by the end of the film, I couldn't take it all that seriously. After watching the movie my reaction was along the lines of, "Yeah, okay, so immigrants in London have it rough, but hey, don't we all! But it does no service to anyone to exxagerate reality with all this lurid and fake sensationalism." In the meantime, I enjoyed it as a rather dark comedy/crime caper of a movie.

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But wasn't he threatning her that he would go tell the police if she didn't do it?

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Yeah, he wasn't threatening her with getting fired, he was threatening her with getting arrested and deported. I think she was at the end of her rope; I admit that I don't know much about London, and maybe this whole movie is a gross exageration, but I'd say to assume that Senay and the other people in this movie who sell their bodies (sometimes literally, right?) haven't exhausted every other possibility insults not only their morality but also their intelligence.

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Anyone stupid enough to believe that a unisex prison system could exist in UK deserve to be exploited in every way possible.

Like the Indian boss could call the police; what's he gonna say? "Hello I'm running a sweatshop filled with illegal aliens"...

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I don't think that would be a problem, immigration obviously know that those machines around him don't work themselves, they don't even need to come back if he telephones immigration and tells them that Senay was working for him then they would be able to stop her benefits, and possibly jail or deport her.

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I do feel that the relationship was awfully one sided., Senay was always in need of help and Okwe was always providing. COUldn't he have needed something from her besides a couch. I love this movie but I think that with two immigrants outwitting immigration and Senor Juan, it would have been better than ONe immigrant helping them both to escape. Her entire character could have been developed better. SHe looked so hopeless all the time and was constantly at the end of her rope. HOw did she survive before she met Okwe?

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"Anyone stupid enough to believe that a unisex prison system could exist in UK deserve to be exploited in every way possible."

WTF is wrong with you? Ignorance deserves exploitation in every possible way? You are seriously messed up, and it's a pity that there are people like you in this world.

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When you're an illegal immigrant, in an alien environment, you're liable to be scared and vulnerable to all kinds of manipulation or threats. Besides, ending up in a "unisex prison" was hardly her greatest fear - just the sugar on top.



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Maeva,

"First, there are plenty of safe jobs a girl can do in London, even without papers."

Sorry, if you are from another country and arrive in London and you don't have connections, then you're going to end up where you end up. If you're lucky, you'll end up in one of the few jobs you call "safe."

"I did find the Turkish woman's reaction quite wrong, when she gave into having sex with her big Indian boss and then with Sneaky in order to get her passport."

I find your judgement of such a character as was represented in this film to be awfully idealistic. You have to consider that he was threatening to turn her in to immigration. This would be akin to her life ending. She did what she thought she had to do. You also have to consider that this woman was not from a western culture and so her mindset would have likely been somewhat subservient. She was also a virgin, and she was young, so she probably had very little life experience before moving to London. When she agreed to sleep with Juan, you also have to remember that she was basically raped by her boss at the factory and she only had that sort of thing to look forward to, in her mind. She was doing what she felt was necessary to get the hell out of London.

Simply because you made it through your teens in what you refer to as an "unprotected" lifestyle, doesn't mean everyone out there is capable of being street-smart.

People who do not grow up in cities often find it very difficult to get on in them, even under normal circumstances.

I don't find that the character was trivialized at all in this film, rather portrayed very realistically.

Finally, you make mention of her being involved in prostitution. Where do you get that?

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Audrey's character flip-flops badly, going from not wanting to be seen with Okwe, to giving blow jobs and giving away her virginity.

No sex before marriage is such a huge cultural, muslim, taboo. Girls are brainwashed, similar to old catholicism but much more intensely.

I was born and raised in the UK, with an early catholic background, emigrated to Toronto, Canada and dated a Canadian-born girl from a muslim family.

She was 20 and I was 25 and she wouldn't fall for the, "you have such a beautiful mouth" line - I know because I tried it.

Touching ( over the clothes ) and dry humping was where it was at for several months. It was a clandestine mission, just to get my hands down her pants. Getting her to have sex was like trying to pick the lock on a chastity belt. The idea of a virgin, muslim girl giving head is a joke too - you're asking for something that they have absolutely no concept of. They probably don't even have exposure to porn.

I'd love to read about other people's experiences.

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i know - i too thought it was pathetic just how far a girl wud go in order to maintain a passport. surely ur religion shud be more important than living a fancy life...

I Uranus

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Uhh, I wouldn't consider her life in London "a fancy life..."

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Sorry to respond 9 years later but I know what you mean, i did think it myself at times. I understand that the 'prostituting' herself in the hotel was the result of sheer desperation to not get caught from the immigration department rather than desperation to simply make it to the US but it did make you question WHY she was so desperate not to be sent back.

Its hardly as if she was running away from a war torn country or a place where her life was endangered, she simply moved away because she didn't want to live like her mother. An understandable reason. But her desperation to not get deported back was something i just couldn't fathom. Unless there was a story there then why did she have to do things on the sly, why suck a guy off so he wouldn't squeal, why go on the run and into hiding so that the immigration officers wouldn't find you and why exchange one of your organs AND your virginity for a passport? What was the worst thing that could have happened to her if she was caught and sent back to Turkey?

If her family were ok with her leaving home then she simply could have gone back to them, relaxed for a bit then take a deep breath and try again. Maybe this time go from Turkey to New York and apply for immigration whilst you are there or better still get a visa first then go.





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Also sorry to reply so many years later (ten!!) but I too found it perhaps unrealistic that a Muslim girl would give in for whatever reason to sex.

However, my sister has a woman living upstairs who is Muslim, we believe, engaged and has been very active, if you know what I mean, for years. She's in her late 30's. Oh, I think she has been married before, so perhaps this doesn't count.

I do wonder, though, how Muslim girls are faring in more cosmopolitan cultures. It would be interesting to hear others' experiences. Wonder how Muslims are getting along in general with so much hate directed toward them, too. Seems kind of unfair to me.

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Well, I'm an Indonesian muslim man who lives in Jakarta, where some parts of the city are considered cosmopolitan, so I can attest to several facts:

1. Muslim girls with similar mindset as Senay actually exist. Lots, but not too many. Muslim girls give in to sex for different reasons, after all they're just flesh and blood.

2. Anybody who thinks all muslim girls are ignorant virgins who bow to the will of men on a whim are credulous, sorry to say. While it's true the muslim girls around me mostly choose to keep their virginity, lots of them prefer sex before marriage. Remember, don't believe everything the media says.

3. Though this may be a twist ending on the level of the sixth sense to lots of people, lots of muslims (boys and girls alike) actually drink and do drugs (gasp!!!!). I know, I know, people. Calm down, it's okay. Take a deep breath, and accept this as the truth because...well, it is the truth.

4. A muslim girl using her body as her living tool is not a stretch, legally or illegally. Almost all of Indonesian prostitutes are muslim women. For a legal example, one of my female friends is a nude model. And yes, however shocking it may be, she's a muslim who prays five times a day.

5. As to your question how us muslims put up with the hate directed towards us however unfairly...well, I cannot speak for every muslim on earth, obviously, so this comes from my own viewpoint. I treat it as I treat almost all my misfortunes: with a chuckle. As in, I make a self-deprecating joke about it.

I realize most of the world would instantly see me as inherently evil regardless of what I actually did or did not do simply because of my religion (for the record, I don't support terrorist groups. Hell, I don't even like most middle east countries for their treatment of women). As a muslim, the fact that lots of (ignorant) people will see me as a demented madman hellbent on destroying anything not under the banner of Islam is something I learned to accept living with. After all, the work I do as a teacher would never and will never sound and ring as loud as the guns and the bombs of Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Taliban, and countless other muslim terrorists no matter what, so might as well steel my soul.

Truthfully, I believe I'm a decent guy in my social life so I make a lot of friends. My foreigner friends usually don't ask what my religion is. I'm always willing to help them around since they're mostly new here, and only later on found out that I follow the teachings of the (supposedly deranged, according to the majority of western media) Muhammad. Their reaction mostly consists of "Oh", "Well, did not see that coming", and "This is different from what I had in mind". My favorite reply to their reaction is "Yup, yup, I'm not really the uncorked animal FOX news painted me as, yeah?" followed by the chuckle.

That's me, anyway. Dunno how other muslims cope, though. I personally think if I laugh at it, it wouldn't hurt as much. And guess what? It worked. This world is, indeed, a comedy to those who think.

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Thank you for your heartfelt answer. That was very nice of you to answer.

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Glad to be of help.

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