The Kiss - Chik yeung tin si (2002) Discussion

[–] 19 years ago

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I think there's some hint of an infatuation, but I don't think it would become romantic or sexual. It seemed more like hero worship.

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[–] gingerlegs 19 years ago

I agree. What else could it mean? Although Vicki's character seemed to be crushing on Karen's character in various parts of the film. Maybe the film makers just wanted to add subtext?

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[–] mouthoffury 19 years ago

People are trying to give over the top clever explanations for "the kiss" when the explanation is simple; there's obviously some lesbian attraction going on there.

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[–] Nant 19 years ago

Vicki(Sue) simply was in love with Karen(Hong). No underlying meaning .

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[–] fleming-a 19 years ago

Hey guys remember when Sue said 2 Lynn after the night club sniper scene. When they went back 2 the house and were talking, Sue said not everyone needs a man 2 comfort them or something like that? She had a crush on Kong Yat Hong and the kiss at the end was her way of saying goodbye. She knew she couldnt have her so she let her go.

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[–] pphree 19 years ago

Or it was just a final bit of teasing for the guys.

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[–] onelazycracka 18 years ago

Does no one else remember the part in the movie where the two women are at the house watching video of Hong's assistant, and Sue asks Hong if that is her boyfriend. Hong says something like 'he's ok...but kind of passive. I like the more aggressive type' Then Sue says to Hong, 'If I were a police officer instead of an assassin, would you choose him or me?'

There is also the scene where Sue says to Hong, 'We are complete opposites but I know that you are attracted to me.'

It's not that I'm some perverted male seeking an alternate meaning, but give me a break...Sue had some lesbian tendencies...no doubt about it.

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[–] kellicough00 18 years ago

The Kiss was probably as much for marketing the film as it was for being a plot point. Remember that the cop has the same birthday as the murdered sister. There is a weird kind of pseudo-lesbian-hero worship connection for Vicki's character towards Karen Mok's cop character. Vicki kind of looks up to her as a hero and as a possible replacement for her sister...at the same time she may have a crush or lesbian attraction to her. Vicki's character doesn't seem to like men too much in the movie so it's possible that she is either infatuated or attracted to women. The Kiss itself is so quick and unromantic that you have to wonder why they bothered with it in the first place. But I liked that the female characters could express themselves that way.

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[–] denya_elthab 18 years ago

Does no one else remember the part in the movie where the two women are at the house watching video of Hong's assistant, and Sue asks Hong if that is her boyfriend. Hong says something like 'he's ok...but kind of passive. I like the more aggressive type' Then Sue says to Hong, 'If I were a police officer instead of an assassin, would you choose him or me?'

There is also the scene where Sue says to Hong, 'We are complete opposites but I know that you are attracted to me.'

It's not that I'm some perverted male seeking an alternate meaning, but give me a break...Sue had some lesbian tendencies...no doubt about it.

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[–] ambernighte 18 years ago

i thought Hong was the one who had a crush on Sue haha foolish me. =))

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[–] BleedingRose16 18 years ago

Consideing Sue has made it clear that she is not very fond of men throughout the film, as well as her infatuation with Hong - stalking her, giving her little hints, I think it was simply Sue's way of letting her know that she has some sort of affection for her.

Simple

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[–] wufeinomiko 18 years ago

I have no real opinion on the matter--as a writer, I know that sometimes I just throw unplanned things in at the end of a story to get a more dramatic ending. So I sort of think that the writers didn't plan on lesbian themes or a kiss until they got to the end, and then they got this great idea for a kiss between two females. Seriously, that's the way most film/tv writing goes (novels are usually well-planned, though).

About the 'We are complete opposites but I know that you are attracted to me' quote, though...that's not exactly what Sue says in Chinese. What she actually says is more accurately, 'We are opposites, but I don't think you hate me *that* much.'
Since the English subtitles were probably written after the movie was completed, I think the English translators--who by now knew that there was a kiss--decided to get a little creative with the translations.

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[–] Ceecee1 18 years ago

Hai, i'm not surprised... that happens all the time when Japanese and other language films are translated to Europan languages.

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[–] nhuocdong 16 years ago

but at the same time, that is if you want to dissect the language itself, "I don't think you hate me that much" could also be interpreted as "although we're yin and yang, the attraction is still there and that's why you can't hate me that much." I know Asian girls (including me) talk like this, just because culture-wise, you can't really voice the attraction outright. Doesn't matter if you are talking about same sex or opposite sex either.

Sue is crushing on Hong, because she thinks of Hong as a replacement with romantic ideals for her sister that is being pulled away by her relationship with a guy. I mean, for a long time, the 2 sisters just have each other and now, there's a guy courting the big sis, making her wants to retire and housewife-ing. Enter Hong, assertive, confident, amazing physical power and skills, and voila, you have a star-crossed love.

And that's my 2 cents on the KISS.

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[–] Night488 17 years ago

Well, Karen helped her, just like how Lynn helped her. She probably thought of her as Lynn for a sec.

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[–] jmaruyama 16 years ago

I wondered about this as well. I liked the varied opinions on the matter especially the answers given by kellicough00, wufeinomiko and Dearlylovedaimee. I also think that the "kiss" between Sue and Hong was meant as a romantic one. Whether Sue and/or Hong are lesbians or not is still open to debate (I personally think they are) but it is interesting to note that while big sister Lynn was unable to really say goodbye to her boyfriend/lover before she died, Sue was at least able to say goodbye to Hong with a kiss at least before she went away.

I hope that Corey Yuen or someone makes a sequel to this film as there is ample room for storylines involving Sue and/or Hong (maybe they could use the gimmick of using other Carpenters song titles in the titles - "Yesterday Once More", "We've Only Just Begun", "Goodbye To Love", "For All We Know" - maybe that's pushing it).

I don't know if either Vicki Zhao or Karen Mok would want to return to these roles but one can only hope and if not then perhaps other actresses can be found to replace them. I'd want the action to be a little more along the lines of "SPL", "Flash Point" but perhaps that would be a bit too gritty for this romantic, stylized and manga-like story.

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