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Atheist always hate Muslim's and Christians and you can see what is look like a country with atheist people i am a Muslim and i thank god that i born in Muslim family and Muslim country ,we don't have all these prostitute places and kids who don't know who is their father or mother ,we have part of ignorant people which make crime and kill people and take religion as cover for their crime which they don't represent Islam .

I live in Iraq and in a city that we hear bomb almost every day and we lose people we know at least every month but i rather to stay here in my city to go to a place with no humanity and religion as the religion is the only way that make you do good thing to people that you don't know them and prevent you from doing bad thing to anyone .

Now i realized why most of the non Muslim people still live in my *beep* country even after all what happened which they could easily go to the America and Europe , and BTW i know not all the Europe country not like this but its the same way of live for most of the kids and people.

i will be glad to replay to you if you comment worth to be replied .

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You understood everything in the wrong way .

Religion prevent you from doing bad thing to anyone?

yes that what control the humanity from doing the bad thing if you look at history what was the place of the women before ? they were just a tool and slave for men and when Muslim come before 1400 years it told the Arab and the human that the men and women are equal which the most new non religious country still trying to give the right to the women . and do you know that religion prevented the Arab from killing their own daughter ? because they were so ignorant they were thinking women is so disgrace for them .


Then why do you hear bombs everyday? Do you think they come from atheists?


The bomb come from the people who don't know anything about religion in the first place they cover their crime by the religion they are the most and the same ignorant people and they are bombing the mosque and church in our city . have you ever saw the real clips from TV ? how they bomb every mosque and church in Mousil/Iraq and they are bombing us more than your city ? thats why we are the people in Iraq who fight them not your country or American army or any other nation .

Do you prefer bombs to hookers? Even Paris have hookers in the streets.


Yes i prefer to die in bomb to let any girl i know to be a hooker or to be like the girl in this movie as the death is not the thing you have to fear but unlivable life is the thing you have to fear from .

I live in Sweden where religion is least important and we have more humanity then your country ever will have.


Don't judge only about your country becasue the richness play most of the factor your country is one of the richest one the same thing can apply on comparing Dubai with and other non religious country .


Religion is a disease and if you religious you are sick. It prevents you from thinking yourself, you dont have your own values, you are controlled by others how to live, you don't see the world as it really is.


I am more healthy than you as a Muslim i don't need to be Imam or shikh as a muslim the god only ask you to believe on him depending on the proof he give you and do the good thing in this live and not to do the bad thing even hurting a fly will make you judge and get what you deserve in the judgement day so what about killing people which he told us there are no redeem for it in any way which you think that religious people kill innocent people .

All ultra religious countries are also poor and overpopulated because you love having kids you cant support.


God already told us not to make many kids and not to build Castle without thinking about other people to help them but he didn't prevent you to get how many kid you want so what do you think about the country who control the number you kid you want ? .

in the end you are just like any other guy , all your information is from the TV media which most of them are lie and your old history school books that your teacher taught you .

My advice to you get the truth search from the internet about it if you want to know about the truth then you need to read and see both side and decide , if you want to know what is the different between the white and the black color then you need to see them both then judge you can't say the black color is better if you never saw any white color . in my country if i never saw any other type of people and if i never had any friend from different country i will have the same idea as yours and think that you all are the same kind of the people that this movie shown and what Hollywood movie show .

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yes that what control the humanity from doing the bad thing if you look at history what was the place of the women before ? they were just a tool and slave for men and when Muslim come before 1400 years it told the Arab and the human that the men and women are equal which the most new non religious country still trying to give the right to the women . and do you know that religion prevented the Arab from killing their own daughter ? because they were so ignorant they were thinking women is so disgrace for them .


Women probably have the lowest status in your religion then any of the others, this is known by most people.
You can check here for yourself, direct quotes from the Quran.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/01/top-10-quran-quotes-every-woman-must-see/


The bomb come from the people who don't know anything about religion in the first place they cover their crime by the religion they are the most and the same ignorant people and they are bombing the mosque and church in our city . have you ever saw the real clips from TV ? how they bomb every mosque and church in Mousil/Iraq and they are bombing us more than your city ? thats why we are the people in Iraq who fight them not your country or American army or any other nation .


This would not have happened without religion. Those who bomb you are your religious and those who are getting bombed are religious. Without religion there would be no reason to bomb those church or mosque because they would not exist.
People would instead see things the same, think for themselves instead of being separated by religion.

Don't judge only about your country becasue the richness play most of the factor your country is one of the richest one the same thing can apply on comparing Dubai with and other non religious country .


Its not just my country, the same can be said with whole Europe, the only exceptions at this moment are Ukraine and Russia. But not even them can be compared to muslim countries because the conflict level is still very low in comparison.

I am more healthy than you as a Muslim i don't need to be Imam or shikh as a muslim the god only ask you to believe on him depending on the proof he give you and do the good thing in this live and not to do the bad thing even hurting a fly will make you judge and get what you deserve in the judgement day so what about killing people which he told us there are no redeem for it in any way which you think that religious people kill innocent people .


What proof? Have you seen God? There is no scientific proof of his existence and there is no proof that he doesnt exist, but does that make it reasonable to start believing in him? I guess you believe in Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster as well then?

I don't live life following a book that tells me what i should believe in, what i should do or what values i should have.
This is called brainwashing and this is the reason religion was created in the first place, to control people.
There is a big difference in what the Quaran says and what the muslims do, you are creating chaos and kill people.
Your conflicts are created because of different religions views and values, everything has to do with religion. Islam just happens to be the worst one.


God already told us not to make many kids and not to build Castle without thinking about other people to help them but he didn't prevent you to get how many kid you want so what do you think about the country who control the number you kid you want ? .


So why do you get many kids when God told you not to?
As i said, this is the main reason why your countries are not very developed, you are spending all the resources on children you cant support.
Religious are against abortions, you are against gay people, you are against condoms. You want to have many children and you have no sense of responsibility towards this earth whatsoever.
During the latest 40 years, half of the worlds wild animals has been wiped out, during this period the world population more then doubled. You see the connection? Do you care?

I choose to follow science rather then made up stories created to brainwash people.
What's the point in being religious really? Why is there any need for it?
What's the difference between Jesus, Allah, Spiderman or Wolverine? They are just made up supernatural characters that never existed.

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This might be my last replay to you as i will not wast more time but becasue you replayed and you gave some time then here is my replay to you :

As i already told you if you need see the truth then you need to watch it from deffernt side from their own people and the people who are against them and you only watch and read from one perspective point of view (its like looking to a statue of word "H" from left side only and what would you see ? you will only see "I" but if you watch it from the front side too then you will see the real shape of it "H" ) what i am trying to tell you here is that if you need to see the truth then you need to see it from all the sides unless you are a stubborn then you will only see your own truth .

yes that what control the humanity from doing the bad thing if you look at history what was the place of the women before ? they were just a tool and slave for men and when Muslim come before 1400 years it told the Arab and the human that the men and women are equal which the most new non religious country still trying to give the right to the women . and do you know that religion prevented the Arab from killing their own daughter ? because they were so ignorant they were thinking women is so disgrace for them .



Women probably have the lowest status in your religion then any of the others, this is known by most people.
You can check here for yourself, direct quotes from the Quran.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/01/top-10-quran-quotes-every-woman-must-see/


i will only clirify 3 point from top for you as i am not going to wast all my day
10th -The quran said " (221)And they ask you about menstruation. Say, "It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. And do not approach them until they are pure. And when they have purified themselves, then come to them from where Allah has ordained for you. Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves."(222)Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers"

what he said is that your wife is like a garden and you need to give him the right and when ever you wish to sleep with our wife it will be ok unless she is in not pure or some other things... like menstruation and you never force yourself to them anytime (from another quote of quran).

9th- "The share of the male shall be twice that of a female "

That's becasue as Muslim the guy is responsible to work and get the money home and he raise the kids and all the family with his sister and mother so he work as double as women so he deserve to get double share on Heritage.

8th- "7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony."

that's because the women have lower IQ than men , have you ever seen a women President ? why more than 80% of scientist are men ? becasue the women complete the men from what men missing like love passion and a lot of thing that men don't have it with same amount .

So if you think that women are less status than men then you are wrong , one time arab asked prophet Mohamed (p)who we must love or care most and he said " that that you care to your mother then your mother then your mother then your father "so mother and women state more than 3 times than father as she raise the kid and she talk most of the hardness of raising the kid .
and by the chance i saw this clip it will show you about the difference that what will people do when they say muslim girl bothered by somone and none muslim girl .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfMF_JsfSEk

The bomb come from the people who don't know anything about religion in the first place they cover their crime by the religion they are the most and the same ignorant people and they are bombing the mosque and church in our city . have you ever saw the real clips from TV ? how they bomb every mosque and church in Mousil/Iraq and they are bombing us more than your city ? thats why we are the people in Iraq who fight them not your country or American army or any other nation .



This would not have happened without religion. Those who bomb you are your religious and those who are getting bombed are religious. Without religion there would be no reason to bomb those church or mosque because they would not exist.


You are wrong bombing mosque and church this is just an excuse for crime and its bigger than what you think its a big world domination by big country like America and others they wanted to clean the terrorist so what is the easiest way than letting all the terrorist to be in iraq and you may don't know but most of the leaders of these terrorist came from big country like yours and America which you may check them in internet .

I am more healthy than you as a Muslim i don't need to be Imam or shikh as a muslim the god only ask you to believe on him depending on the proof he give you and do the good thing in this live and not to do the bad thing even hurting a fly will make you judge and get what you deserve in the judgement day so what about killing people which he told us there are no redeem for it in any way which you think that religious people kill innocent people .



What proof? Have you seen God? There is no scientific proof of his existence and there is no proof that he doesnt exist, but does that make it reasonable to start believing in him? I guess you believe in Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster as well then?

I don't live life following a book that tells me what i should believe in, what i should do or what values i should have.
This is called brainwashing and this is the reason religion was created in the first place, to control people.
There is a big difference in what the Quaran says and what the muslims do, you are creating chaos and kill people.
Your conflicts are created because of different religions views and values, everything has to do with religion. Islam just happens to be the worst one.


Have you ever seen oxygen ? no , you study it and you fill it when you breath so its true . have the scientist ever saw the core of the earth ? no but the math calculation lead that earth core must have more density than the surface to get the right balance of the earth and right density . do you need to know what the light made of to believe in it ? no you only can see it and you know the effect of it so thats enough for you to use it . same with GOD he created the human and he let them to live in earth and he sent for the a prophet from time ti time with book of his word and a miracles that no on can do only this prophet so when the people see the miracle that this prophet can do they believe (chess , moses all the rest) and what prophet Mohamed had was the quran beside other things during that time and how can we believe on a book thats been 1400 years ago ? one of the miracle of the quran is that it have facts that no one can know about it that time and the biggest thing is that no one will ever able to change quran till the judgment day thats why there will be no prohpe after mohammed and its not like what chess and moses had which changed later by people and thats why always needed another prophet with new holy book .

if you are that smart can you ask yourself how many people hate islam religion ? why no one could able to change it and its been 1400 years ? as you know arab people were the first people who hated it most as they were worshiping rocks , why no one could able to get one mistake in a book that have 600 page ? that have a lot of scientist information that if it was wrote by human in that time it will be easy to find one mistake now with all the new technology ?


our knowledge is very low if you compare yourself to the one who created you ,do you think one day a computer will have its own brain and realize it have been created by human and he know about the origin of human ? thats why we don't know about god ore than what he said in the holy books which as i said we believed on it with the fact it had .

in the end can you tell me what is the different between the normal heart that is working and pumping the blood and the heart of a human died in 10 sec ago ? its the same heart but its not pumping so why ? because its the soul that make you alive .

if you think or you asked your teacher how did you come to this life he will tell you by evolution and chance and if you ask him how much is the chance then he can give you a number even if its the biggest number ever many billion years , then ask him or yourself if you wait the same years let us say after 10*10 billion years can you get a laptop in front of your home by chance and evolution without some one create it for you ? even if you ask your teacher what is most complected the laptop or the human .??

BTW i am not a shekh or someone like you think i am a normal muslim guy mid age and as a muslim the god only ask you to believe on him and do the right thing and avoid the wrong one thats it nothing more to be a Muslim not as what you thing from movies as psycho religious people .you can ask any one from muslim and he can give you the same answer .

i gave about 1 hour from my time for you i hope i didn't wast it .


as you love movies and probably seen a lot of bad movies that wasted your time then i will give you a name of movie which is about how did mohammed become prophet its a War , Adventure , Biography movie " The Message (1977) " see it one day even if you don't believe it its a good movie and i am not trying to tell you be a muslim i am just trying to tell you that you are wrong about relegion .

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I really wish i had more time to reply to all of this religious *beep* talk.
Yes, i have seen all the so called different "truths" and i have come to the conclusion that they are equally *beep*

So if you think that women are less status than men then you are wrong


No, im not. In fact, im more sure then i ever was before that im right.
Female genital mutilation and not being able to do abortion are also examples of your *beep* up religion.

Have you ever seen oxygen ? no , you study it and you fill it when you breath so its true . have the scientist ever saw the core of the earth ? no but the math calculation lead that earth core must have more density than the surface to get the right balance of the earth and right density . do you need to know what the light made of to believe in it ? no you only can see it and you know the effect of it so thats enough for you to use it .


So you are comparing the existence of oxygen in the air and the earth core to the existence of God? Wow... Have you heard of Liquid Oxygen?
You mean the light that comes from the sun or artificial light which converts electrical energy into electromagnetic radiation?

in the end can you tell me what is the different between the normal heart that is working and pumping the blood and the heart of a human died in 10 sec ago ? its the same heart but its not pumping so why ? because its the soul that make you alive .


When someone dies you usually do an autopsy which tells you the cause of death.
If the cause is related to your heart there are alot of different biological explanations to why it stopped working.

if you are that smart can you ask yourself how many people hate islam religion ? why no one could able to change it and its been 1400 years ? as you know arab people were the first people who hated it most as they were worshiping rocks , why no one could able to get one mistake in a book that have 600 page ? that have a lot of scientist information that if it was wrote by human in that time it will be easy to find one mistake now with all the new technology ?


How can you change a religion? I seriously don't know or care, but the only ones who can change it are yourselves no matter how many hates it.
Yes the Quaran has ALOT of scientific errors, for example: "Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven", "Sun is a Flat Disk", "Sky Guards the Earth", "Sky can be Rolled Up" & the list goes on & on. Its laughable really..

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran

if you think or you asked your teacher how did you come to this life he will tell you by evolution and chance and if you ask him how much is the chance then he can give you a number even if its the biggest number ever many billion years , then ask him or yourself if you wait the same years let us say after 10*10 billion years can you get a laptop in front of your home by chance and evolution without some one create it for you ? even if you ask your teacher what is most complected the laptop or the human .??


I honestly have no idea what you are saying. Yes, if i ask the teacher about human existence she will mention evolution because that's what happened.
God never created Homo sapiens, Homo Sapiens created God.

our knowledge is very low if you compare yourself to the one who created you ,do you think one day a computer will have its own brain and realize it have been created by human and he know about the origin of human ? thats why we don't know about god ore than what he said in the holy books which as i said we believed on it with the fact it had .


The obvious many errors in the Quaran tells otherwise, they didn't have much knowledge at all but a good imagination.
Yes we will one day create as advanced AI's as you suggest, why wouldn't we?

Thanks for the tip, i will perhaps watch that movie. An interesting fact regarding that movie i just found. The director who wanted to convey that islam is a religion of peace, he died in a muslim terror-bomb attack in a muslim country.

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Seems we both agree that we don't wast our time and we watch a lot of movies so i will only replay to one answer that you made :

Yes the Quaran has ALOT of scientific errors, for example: "Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven", "Sun is a Flat Disk", "Sky Guards the Earth", "Sky can be Rolled Up" & the list goes on & on. Its laughable really..

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran


i will only answer what you mentioned to save time :
"Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven"
"Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars" means that the sky is adorned with the light of the Asteroid and human till now only could travel to the nearest planet to earth they even don't have a clue about other stars near to earth and god told us that there are many layer of sky just like earth so i don't know how can you make this false claim .

"Sun is a Flat Disk"
it said in english translation "When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up" not flat disk how can you interrupt something like this .as i said earler i think the quran is in arabic and if you translate it it will be only translation it will not be counted as quran so in arabic word "quran" means the light of something is disappeared so if you read it in arabic then you will perfectly understand that it say the light of the sun is gone . and something if you want to translate word "gone" from English what will it mean ? it will mean disappeared not talk a walk .
and BTY above is one of the Scientific truth that mentioned if you read the whole line it say that in the judgment day the sun light will vanish and the Scientist already discovered that one day our sun light will vanish as it will die and get cold.

"Sky Guards the Earth"
i am not sure how old are you as what you mentioned is another Scientific discovery that Scientist discovered that earth atmosphere protect the earth from the incoming Meteor and all the harmful light and radiation thats why earth is a place for human living not like any other planet that human discovered till now .

"Sky can be Rolled Up"
you are taking the subject not the translation , the translation say "The Day that We roll up the heavens like a scroll rolled up for books (completed),- even as We produced the first creation, so shall We produce a new one: a promise We have undertaken: truly shall We fulfil it". it show that the god will end the universe just like he created it (Similarity opening and closing the book).

Anyway i am a normal guy how answered all the above accusation from a guy how created the site which god know how much smart he was . so if you look in internet about all the mentioned accusation you will find better answer as my English is not that good to deliver you the answer in the best way , and BTW and not an arabic person but i live in arabic country so i am only thankful that i know arabic language that made me to ready the quran without someone translate it to me and to get lost just like all other people . as being a muslim is easy but converting to islam is the hardest thing which is the reason why people will reject it only from hearing it and they get mad in a sec they hear about it becasue that will mean you will have to leave what you already believe and believe new idea and your parent mostly will not accept you anymore and your friend will leave you and you afraid that you will not able to do what you usually do etc..

And finally let me till i am a believer 100% but even if i didn't believe in islam and god i will still stay a muslim do you know why ?
becasue when you merry some girl you will make sure that she will not cheat you even if you leave a month and let her go to work every day .
and i know my father and my mother .i don't question what if my mother had me from someone else ,
the family will never have problem about father is drunk or your daughter got pregnant by accident which she may leave her family or kill herself when she afraid from his parent .
imagine 2 boy in a class 1 of the boy know believe that his ancestor is adam and eve and his father and mother both healthy and he know that if he did good he will go to heaven and 2nd one that believe that his ancestor is monkey and his father is gay and his mother is drunk and his brother married his sister . do you think both of them will have the same life ?

This is my last replay to this post becasue no matter what i tell you it will not change your mind what if what i am telling you is true even 1% chance that there are heaven and hell , doesn't deserve to wast only one day from your life to search for the truth in internet ? so its your life all the universe god create it for you and you yourself deserve to find the truth about it so go find it by yourself its easy these days everything is only one click away.

If you stay on what you believe and you believed that there are no heaven and hell then just go rob a bank , by an island , life happily ever after :) no one will judge you except other people which they have the same right as you so why do they make a rule on you .

good bye .......

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I see your religious. I have studied briefly Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity and Islam. I have also studied science at University. My friend let me tell you to take your own advice and gather some knowledge by looking at all sides. If you want to follow any "prophet" look into Jesus as his teachings are the most loving ones, for everyone.

Mohammed was an ignorant, anti-female, violent man. He is a false prophet and he has created Islam into a terrible thing. Yes there are good Muslim people who believe in God, well there is another God, the Christian God who is love in its perfection. Jesus, the Son of God was sent to us to teach us how to live, and the Holy Spirit is that feeling we get when we desire to do good in God's will.

Mohammed is a false prophet who didn't even know how to read or write. Islam is an anti religion and women are not less intelligent as men, they are equal and deserve every right that us men do. Read on other religions, for you will find the truth and at least the best example of how religion should be. Not Islam, I am sorry.

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I can't take all the stupidity of this post, it's just too much

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You do realize it`s a movie right? It`s designed to look as depressing and bleak as possible. But good luck with your bombs and your religion, pls stay in your country. We atheists enjoy our peace.

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i do believe there is more Truth & authenticity in islam than there is in christianism & atheism (atheism is a fake religion in its own right & those that contest that are just short sighted brainwashed people).

this being said, the elite of muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia the great ally of the "great" us of (H)A(TE) are not different than anywhere else in the world : they do have sex slaves as well.

(true) religion is a path, not an end for the common people. for the elite it is a tool to manipulate the common people so they never get to the end of the path as they expertly turn every thing that is true in religion to fake.

it's the same *beep* all over the world my brother : psychopaths are running the show & religion (the true essence of it, ie the search for truth) is being raped everyday by those int'l *beep* that hates the Truth & work only to retain control & power.

NB: i'm born christian but consider my self as an agnostic leaning toward some of the hindu philosophies (Vivekananda, RamaKrishna, Krishnamurti)

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Wow so much stupidity in this text..
"christianism & atheism", you are comparing Christianity to atheism, really?
"There is more truth and authenticity in islam?" REALLY?????

Religion is nothing but brainwashing, there is no difference between believing in God, Santa Clause or Bigfoot. They are all made up supernatural characters and just as fake. Religion is by far the biggest mistake ever "invented" and is the source to all problems on this planet together with overpopulation.

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I actually have met a Filipina woman who'd spent some time in Qatar in the 1990s as a "domestic servant", who would beg to differ with you. Had her passport taken by her "sponsors" too. She was expected to do sexual favors for any male member of the household she was employed at who wanted them.

There is definitely human trafficking and virtual slave conditions in some Muslim Middle Eastern countries as well, some of it dressed up as something else, some not.

Not knocking your faith or your region of the world or anything, not saying you'd agree with this sort of thing, but the self-righteous attitude of your post did certainly warrant a response. "They who live in glass houses should not throw stones", if you're familiar with that proverb.

The truly righteous course is to do whatever we can to raise awareness and stop this scourge, wherever it is. And it is everywhere.


Understanding is a three-edged sword.

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Obviously you have prostitutes like everybody else, its a worldwide plague. Even countries that outlaw prostitution still have it. Besides, here in the west we get all kinds of awful stories from muslim countries about this, like rape victims get sentenced to death, women get sentenced to rape, or government officials raping all newly wed wifes.



There is no such thing as an "atheist country". Atheists and religious people are in all countries. AFAIK the country with the least atheists worldwide is the USA - only about 5%. And the country with the most atheists worldwide is Iran - a theocracy.

If people get bombed all the time they might consider religion more important, but you arent really religious until religion is your prime goal in life. Very few people actually ever do that.

The main protagonist of this movie was a christian, so I dont get your point anyway. She had trouble with her religion, no surprise given her age and her awful situation. But she ends up being an angel, as the movie implies.

The bible says

Matthew 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Thus everyone, including atheist, will go to heaven, if they act moral.

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You shall have no other Kates before Kate Winslet.

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Please tell me you are a vicious troll of a major league. Can't even escape Muslims after watching a film like this. Not sure I should cry or laugh. WTF does Islam has to do with anything.. It's like saying " We don´t have prostitutes, but I'm okay with murder, bombs, rape and the utter disrespect and equality for women." *Takes back the cookie for the troll* It's all mine.. all mine.

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If you are a troll and tried to make your post an unreadable mess, you did good. If not, you did bad and disproved your own case.

"You'll be taking a soul train straight to a disco inferno where you never can say goodbye!"

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