I have read various reviews abouth this particular film maker, and have noticed a trend in that she tends to have actual sex had by the actors in her movies. Is this true in BRIEF CROSSING between the woman and young man? I ask because it was shown on television.....
shareOf course not it wasn't because it was made for ARTE TV. The scene is acted, it's not an X-rated film !
shareIt's not x-rated, agreed, but neither was Romance X or Anatomy of Hell. It's just that I read somewhere that to get the full effect of the scene and movie the director/writer preferred the young guy to be a real virign in real life so that it came across in the scene as they were having sex....and because of the fact we dont see any "detail" is why it was not x-rated, but actually committed. A film such as this was shown on free to air television in Australia...
shareWhat a strange and funny question. Do you ever ask yourself, if actors really die in movies ?
shareWell, it might have happened once (that someone died while shooting a movie) :), but what I can tell you for sure is that there are some movies where actors actually have real sex...
if this is the case here... hmm, dunno
The only reason I ask this question is that I have read a few articles pertaining to this and other movies by this filmmaker where sex plays a very pivitol and graphic role....the love scene in this one, I have been told was real.
shareDo you believe everything you hear or everything you read? Please. Learn what the term "critical thinking" means. You would do well to heed the words of the Buddha:
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
Sadly, common sense is becoming an ever more scarce commodity.
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rsvpaddress, don't listen to the puffed-up, huffy, know-it-alls in this forum, they don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Yes, the sex was real, it is always real now in Breillat's films. Yes, she did this film for Arte, and it shows no penetration, but the sex was real. I saw an interview with Breillat and she said that there have only been a couple where it wasn't real, and it was only because it was impossible, but she always makes this stipulation with her actors. Lest anyone balk at this, I saw an interview with Sarah Pratt and she confirmed that the sex was real, so did Breillat AND Guillain.
In the interview on the DVD she talks about the fact that Guillain was really 16 and he had never had sex before. Watch the interview with Breillat, she says that they shot the sex scene with no rehearsal so she could get his reactions taking his clothes off for the first time in front of a woman... she says "take off his clothes, and the emotion he has...to do this for the first time, and to HAVE this first time" (her english is a bit broken, but they subtitle it as well), and then she talks about how red he is, and she imitates him shaking afterwards. She is clearly talking about him having sex for the first time, check out the DVD and the internet for confirmation if you don't believe me. Guillain and Pratt were together for the very first time when they shot the scene. What you see on film was actually the first time this young man/boy has sex.
Guillain was interviewed on French television and they asked him if it was true that he was a virgin before they shot the movie and he said yes, "...but not after the movie". They had to shoot the love scene four or five times because he actually couldn't hold it as long as you see on film, and they kind of tease him about this in the interview.
This is one thing I like about Breillat, she is devoted to exploring human sexuality and she is committed to making it as real as possible. I am tired of the realm of examining explicit human sexuality being relegated to the XXX world only (which isn't examining human sexuality anyway, it is exploiting it). I'm glad that Michael Winterbottom is another director who is experimenting with explicit sex on-screen (in the movie 9 Songs). It seems ridiculous that we can show people getting their heads cut off on film (in real life), but we can't show two consenting adults expressing love physically, its totally twisted around. If you haven't yet, check out Romance and Anatomy of Hell, which are two other films by Breillat (both were both shot with porn star Rocco Siffredi) both feature on-screen, real sex and they are powerhouse films.
"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus
Thanks Bladerunner, I knew it was real...
I have heard of Romance and Anatomy Of Hell, what other movies has she had the "real deal" in them?
This reminds of something I've had in my mind for a while:
In certain scenes of movies where underwear is exposed: is the underwear the actor/actress's own?
If anyone know please reply ASAP-911
Bladerunner, you're full of it. The sex wasn't real and Breillat herself in interview denied that. she said how comew nobody ever ask her if she really kill her actors during the film. Yes, she loves exploring human sexuality, but the only reason she likes to use virgins and shot the sex scenes only once is because she wants to always have the most natural reactions from her actor and actresses. You do realise that these actors and actresses are professionals, have families, and sometimes spouses or boyfriend and girlfriends.
share****** Warning to anyone who might be sensitive to somewhat sexual discussions, this post has some mildly explicit descriptions. I say that simply as a courtesy to anyone who wishes to avoid that kind of stuff, and for any young people that may be reading... don't, go somewhere else. Ok, that said*******
I've got the DVD, and I've seen the interviews for this film, they DO have sex. In the film Romance you SEE the penetration. Whether or not an actor has a girlfriend or a boyfriend has nothing to do with whether or not there is *real* sex in this movie. Check out the interview on the DVD, she states quite clearly, that they had *real* sex.
The reason she makes that comment about interviewers asking if she kills her actors is because she is highlighting the hypocrisy present in the MORES and attitudes surrounding sex and murder... people are more concerned about titillation than they are assassination. Also, whether or not the sex is real is NOT the issue, it is how effective she is at exposing real sexual issues, experiences, opinions and contradictions in the narrative.
All you need do is rent a copy of the *unrated* version of Romance to SEE that Breillat has and *does* feature *real* sex in her movies. On the extras of Brève Traversée, there is an interview with Breillat where she states very matter-of-factly that she is *not* interested in the personal lives of actors, with whether or not they are "ok" after filming erotic scenes. I think that pretty well shows that she could care less if an actor has a boyfriend or girlfriend, and there are MANY actors who would do an explicit scene *while* they had a boyfriend or girlfriend. The girl that was in Nine Songs had a boyfriend while she was filming the movie, and all the sex scenes are quite real.
Actors who have "boyfriends and girlfriends" do "simulated" sex scenes in movies all the time, and some of that is very erotic (and/or explicit). Look at the movie Jude with Kate Winslet; Christopher Eccleston puts her n**ple in his mouth and vigorously suckles on it. At the time that movie was made *both* actors were "involved" with other people. Now, are you saying that doing all that, including simulating sex is somehow "ok", while going that one step further and penetrating is where "boyfriends and girlfriends" would be upset? Is the penetration the issue here?
My point is, if boyfriends and girlfriends deal with very explicit simulated stuff, they will also "deal" with that *one step further*, or they will simply break up and move on.
Listen to the DVD interview with Breillat when she is asked a question concerning her "responsibility" to young actors who do sex scenes, once the movie is finished. She states very coldly that she has NO responsibility to them *at all* with ONE exception, the girl that was in À ma soeur!, because she was 14-years-old when they filmed the movie. She says, "I am not a psychologist, or a sex therapist, they can deal with those issues themselves". NOW, if Breillat is fine with doing that, what makes you think she wouldn't be peachy-keen with her actors having REAL sex?
I guess my problem with your argument is this, *why* would Breillat allow a real-life relationship — between one of her actors and an outside person — interfere with the way she films her movies? If she wants the actors to really have sex, why would she concern herself with the actor's personal relationships? Breillat is hiring a person to act in her movie; all an actor needs to do is watch Romance to see that they might be asked to do a real sex scene.
I mean, either Breillat has scheduled an explicit scene or not and I *hardly doubt* that she is making that decision based on whether her actor has a girlfriend or not! Can you imagine a director going, "Gee, I really wanted to have an explicit scene here. I've written it into the movie, therefore it is important to me, but this actor has a boyfriend so I guess I'll just scrap that". AHHH, that is absurd!
Anyway, this is all pointless because she states on the DVD that they did have sex, and you can SEE them having sex in Romance, there is no arguing with that.
"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." – Catullus
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Well, the only other one that I have hear Breillat say that the sex was real, or at least *part* of it was real (her words, not mine) is À ma soeur! Other movies that *aren't* hers, that have real sex in them, where you can actually see that it is real sex, that I have seen are...
1. Nine Songs
2. Intimacy
3. Pola X
4. Baise-Moi
5. Ken Park
6. The Pornographer
That, and the films of Breillat are the only *mainstream* movies I know of that feature real sex. I'm sure there are others, but I don't go looking for them, these are just the ones I've see where that occurred.
"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus
I've also heard that Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie really had sex in Don't Look Now. There's also Jack Nicholson and Jessica Lange in The Postman Always Rings Twice. And Halle Barry and Billy Bob Thornton in Monster's Ball. It happens in real mainstream movies, too. Not just "art films" like the ones mentioned above.
Of course, these are all rumors. I wasn't there.
Yeah! whatever.
She never said that the sex was real. In fact, she said something like that when someone get kill in her movies, no one thinks that he or she dies for real. Yet, people always assumes that her sex scenes are real.
That argument is an irrelevant conclusion to the real discussion at hand.
Romance does feature real sex, ejaculation, the real deal. Whether the main characters actively engaged in penetration is a separate question all-together and one with conflicting statements reported in the press.
Some sex in films are real. John Cameron Mitchell's "Shortbus" is an excellent example (and it is a fantastic film on its own and a welcome contrast to Catherine Breillat's somewhat negative depictions of sex).
Well, even if they did have sex they would probably deny that. Hard to find the truth on this issue.
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Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie, yes they really had sex. Halle Barry and BB DONT. They say it was realistic because they entered in the the role of emotions and sex had to be beastly. In this movie "Brève traversée", im sure they don`t have real sex because this kiddo put his penis in her like he have 30 inch big penis and her expression on that kind of penetration is like OMG I forgot to make dinner! xD So i doubt...
shareShe only has real sex in romance x and anatomy of hell her other films eg A ma soeur and sex is comedy feature prostetic penis's and simuloated sex
I really don't understand why people are getting so worked up over such a small thing. The sex didn't look 100% real to me. I should think that a virgin teenager might find it difficult to perform in front of a film crew, for his first time ever, regardless (or indeed despite) how beautiful the actor he's supposed to be having sex with is. And in this case the actor playing Alice is astonishingly attractive.
Anyway, it didn't look 100% real to me. But so what??? Either it was, or it wasn't. Why are people getting so worked up about it?
Your attitude and words are deceitful. You say, "It seems ridiculous that we can show people getting their heads cut off on film (in real life), but we can't show two consenting adults expressing love physically, its totally twisted around" and yet you had already said the boy "was really 16." Therefore, you knew he was not a "consenting adult."
Furthermore, people know that comparing death and sex is simply a STUPID comparison. Sex is supposed to be private and personal between two people who have committed their lives to one another. People who pretend that it's appropriate for people to have sex in the middle of the street in full view of the public are idiots and fools -- just like you.
Death happens for all kinds of reasons and indeed, there are deaths that shouldn't be shown on video for a number of reasons, but YOU brought it up to compare it with public sex. No one suggested that graphic violent death is an appropriate thing to put in front of people's eyes, so your justification of public sex because of inappropriate viewing of death is wholly illegitimate.
Bottom line -- your reasoning is horribly flawed and your conclusions are perverted.
I don't condone underage people having sex, however 15 is the legal age of consent in France where this film was made. Therefore, he is the age of consent when this film was made. According to the law, he is legally the age of consent. So there is absolutely nothing "deceitful" about my comments.
Furthermore, people know that comparing death and sex is simply a STUPID comparison.
People who pretend that it's appropriate for people to have sex in the middle of the street in full view of the public are idiots and fools -- just like you.
No one suggested that graphic violent death is an appropriate thing to put in front of people's eyes, so your justification of public sex because of inappropriate viewing of death is wholly illegitimate.