Broke my heart


Ive just seen this film and it totally broke my heart.

I asbsoultly loved the style it had this essence of lars von trier and i loved how there were long silences and overtures between the scene changes and nothing really happened and stylistically it is one of the best films ive ever seen (personal choice not many people like films which seem like they've been filmed by a security camera.

But the real point my heart is now in 10 peices and im not sure how to put them back together, nothing much was ever really said and it wasnt really embellished
like most things are today (especially love stories) but the words seemed so very real,

wow out of all the films ive ever seen this has now made my ultimate top with dancer in the dark and tank girl - and its not only there, but at this moment in time it has totally surpassed them as the number one film ill probably be watching this year.

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I felt the same way emotionally the first time around. I was totally confused and saddened by the story. But on my second viewing I noticed several cleverly placed plot elements that helped me understand the relationship between the characters.

For instance, Zooey's character mentions at one point that she's been going to a boarding school for girls for several years, hinting that she probably didn't have much contact with boys, and she may not have known exactly how to deal with them.

Also, in one scene he mentions "I don't want to have sex with you", and Zooey is obviously a bit confused by that. She's been locked up in a girl's boarding school for years. She wants him to be attracted to her! She wants a man to desire her!

Also, he has a different attitude because of his experience and his reputation. In his mind he's respecting her, but in her mind it's a kind of rejection.

It helps you understand their emotions if you look deeper into the story and know a thing or two about psychology. It's great that they were able to work that into the movie.

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Yeh totally, ive watched it three times now (lol-obsessive much)
and the scene when there having the sleep-over and he tells her he doesnt want to have sex with her, you can just feel the tension but you know hes totally unaware of it.
Everytime i see the scene when there in the park after shes cut her hair im always reminded of the moment when there under the make-shift tent and he tells her he doesnt want to sleep with her because he doesnt want it to be like it was with other girls.
And theres all thes ideas running arounf in my head, with different meanings for everything, its crazy and then it gets me thinking that its kinda like real life, in that something happens and your left with it, and the film kinda reflects that

OMG im babbling

Anyway, thats the most important but of the film for me because thats the moment i have the most questions, does she think he doesnt want to sleep with her because hes not attracted to her, does she just want sex and hes not giving it to her, is that the moment when he breaks her heart which then leads her to do the same, and then theres all the other little feelings which you empathise with but cant quite put into words,

and its crazy but everyone has a moment like when there in the tent and its exactly the same, just some words and silence and unspoken feelings, etc...you know, theres always that one person who doesnt sleep with you and even though it shouldnt it breaks your heart anyway, and your always that person who does exactly that, its this strange kind of cycle thingy.

lol, i think ive just said lots of things that dont quite make sense, lol..a but like the film really

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You make perfect sense. I saw this movie with my two best friends before we all went off to school, and they liked it, but thought it was contrived and just tried too hard-with dialog and such, I guess.

but I loved it
and it completely broke my heart too
because it's such a successful attempt at realism
and so beautiful, both visually and stylistically-if that makes sense...

just know that I get exactly what you mean and I want to go watch it again and again (aka I need to buy it now)

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Me, too!

*SPOILERS BELOW*



I am watching it now for a second time, having seen it for the first time last night.

I had zero expectations of this movie (other than knowing Zooey D. and Patricia C. would be in it -- I have liked other movies ZD has been in, and PC can do no wrong, in my eyes / if you like PC and haven't seen her in 'High Art', check it out -- she is fantastic as Greta in that movie and steals every scene she is in).

Anyway, I thought this film was beautifully constructed, beautifully shot, and painfully authentic.

I think that Noel wanted to have sex, and here she is with someone whom she obviously has feelings for (Paul) and who supposedly had sex with all these other girls in town, but is putting off having sex with her, even saying outright to her that he doesn't want to when he is in bed with her. Noel obviously is still growing up ('finding herself') after coming back to town from several years of being in the protected environment of an all girls boarding school. Not only does she have sex with another guy at the weekend party by the lake (which she DID invite Paul to, but he declined going), but she also cuts her hair, signifying her going through change. Other than Paul's obvious and realistic hurt stemming from her carelessly sleeping with another random guy (in fact, being deflowered by the guy), I think that he also had a difficult time dealing with Noel changing at all (which, given her age and her restricted life experiences, he should have had some expectation that she was still growing). For her part, Noel had a hard time first with Paul's sexual rejection (I believe) and then with Paul not being able to accept her, change and all, including that she indeed was capable of 'making a mistake'.

Funny that Noel ends up with the guy who she did not seem attracted to throughout most of the movie -- but he is someone who is persistent and doesn't mind hanging around and not taking 'no' for an answer. Maybe she felt that if Paul really wanted her, he would be just as persistent in wanting her back, warts and all, and if not, guy #2 would be a safe bet for her and would be happy to just accept her for her.

I would have loved to see Paul and Noel end up together, though. Instead, Noel seems to opt for guy #2 over Paul, although she says Paul 'has her heart'. Being a romantic female, that didn't make total sense to me. Not that I just wanted a Hollywood happy ending just to have a happy ending -- I was hoping for more of a positive resolution in favor of Paul and Noel ending up together because they seemed so right for each other.

*Sigh*

"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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Spoilers throughout.

I don't think everyone would be trying so hard to delve into the "psychology" of this movie if it had been Paul that cheated.

It bothers me that there is still a double standard. If when she went away, he had gone off with someone else, this would be a very different conversation and that bothers me.

Also, I greatly disliked this movie. It wore on to the point where I skipped parts just to move it along.

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I, for one, "delve into the psychology" of it because of the characters and the story as presented -- not because of any double standard.

If Paul had cheated, it would have been a different story, and thus a different analysis.





"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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This movie reminded me of the feeling when this grocery clerk from Ethiopia just left my old neighborhood. Really enjoyed the guy's POV of America. Could talk soccer. Had good Ethiopian coffee and music. Then one day, he says, Me and my wife are leaving. Where? This weekend was his answer. Shook hands. And never saw him again. Every time I walked past his store that next week and for a couple weeks after, looked at the boarded windows of his store, it hurt me, constant pain about it and the normal lack of reason that is life.

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It was sad.

Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and / or doesn't.

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