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Leisure Class Reviews/Impressions thread


I know there is another category in IMDB for the movie but it's probably eaiser just to post your impressions here on the Project Greenlight board.

Post your impressions away!

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The actress who plays Fiona is gorgeous in real life as a brunette.

The lighting blows.

Feeling like a Wedding Crashers echo.

I don't mind the acting, but the pacing is cumbersome.

I understand not wanting obvious exposition, but the faux-repartee exposition isn't much better. Needs some subtlety mixed in.

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I'll just say, I'm 30 minutes on and I don't know if I can even finish it. It is so *beep* boring so far and almost zero development. It just seemed like they rolled cameras and let Tom Bell crack jokes and the other guy try to respond. There's no real flow or aim in it. Each scene is like its own little entity and doesn't really transition to the next as far as developing a story or even characters.

The acting I wouldn't say is awful, but there's little there. None of these characters are relatable in anyway and couldn't give a *beep* about them. Tom Bells comedy seems to be like a knock off Ricky Gervais with a dash of Russell Brand. The rest of the cast just seem to be saying their lines and trying to put on a face to go with it.

I'm usually not a technical critique of movie, but the lighting in this movie is just bad. The editing is off, they will unnecessarily cut to characters just to show their expressions. Oh, and I literally do not see what the big deal about shooting on film is.

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The film didn't work at all for me. The story was a mess, and the attempt at ambiguity didn't work. You're making a comedy, not Blade Runner.

It didn't feel like there was any flow in the cast. Just felt like a bunch of people reading their lines, with the leonard character being incredibly annoying. I thought the whole breakdown scene just ran forever and didn't work, but the most important thing is that it's not funny at all. It's very bland and didn't know what it wanted to be. And for a guy who sees himself as a true artist, i found no artistry in the directing from jason. Dull lighting, uninteresting shot compositions, bad pacing, and no grasp on the story. All the conflicts on set and no one stood up and helped the movie and the story. No one served the story. Only themselves.

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It was impossible to fix. Problem was was that they did not shoot with material. What they had shot was what they had to work with, which was a story with zero character or story development. Even if they reshot and added more scenes, it wouldn't be nearly enough to get what the movie needed.

Jason's problem was he knew exactly what he wanted. He knew exactly who the characters were, what they wanted, and what the story was. Problem is is that he doesn't know how to put it on screen for viewers to know. From the season, it's obvious Jason is an very socially isolated individual with little understanding of humans and emotions.

Like in the last episode after the test screening, he said that he felt people understood it more after he was able to answer their questions. Well he's not gonna be there to answer every person that sees this and explain to then what's going on with this character. Nor does anyone care.

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I thought the whole breakdown scene just ran forever and didn't work, but the most important thing is that it's not funny at all.


Jason might think awkward equals funny.

But all that inter-familial angst and misery coming out of nowhere during a comedy was just awkward, and only awkward.

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I'm seeing the pre screening movie right now and thought Jason was his regular douchey self. When Ben and Matt introduced Jason on stage, the classy thing to do would have been address Effie or ask her up on stage.

But no. He was so self absorbed as his usual self.

Movie starting now............bbl. :)

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I'm going to try watching it again now. The first time around I ended up like that guy at the screening: Asleep.

What I remember was terrible, though...











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ooooof. this is rough. some jokes would be nice.

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about 30 min in, not one laugh from me. not even a chuckle.

the brother has not been that annoying as I thought he would be. but he has been underwhelming thus far. all of the actors have been pretty underwhelming as characters. ed weeks seems to be sleepwalking thru the movie.

still holding out hope.

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I made it to the car wreck, their fix to the skid was a quick cut, guess that was the only option, this was really weak, not sure what was in the script but definitely laid an egg on screen

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im a little further than you but i can see why the stunt did not work. it had to be more dramatic. i'm at the scene where they are trying to cover it up. if it was a major crash it would make sense. but the crash was a minor fender bender. doesn't make sense to cover it up.

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Could be nitpicking, but I don't get why that other car was parked in the middle of nowhere on the side of the road like that.


It clearly wasn't dramatic enough. Since the car was out of control, wonder why they didn't just have the car go airborn into a tree. Could have done that without a stuntman in the car to reduce the safety risk.


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movie is being raked over the coals in the movie thread :

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5045592/board/threads/



I did not laugh once. Not sure was this supposed to be a comedy. have to agree w/ the one guy screening the movie that this film has no identity. Did they rely too much on ad libbing between the 2 main characters? If so, the ad libbing was pretty poor.

also what was the whole premise with the brother showing up? Did I miss something? so he just showed up to screw w/ the brother because he didnt invite him to the wedding. doesn't make much sense to me.

Also the ending was so abrupt. like there really was no ending. there was no point for the whole thing. What the hell was Fiona trying to accomplish at the end?

In retrospect Len was right when he suggested in the scene that Fiona reveal her true intentions. Jason of course didnt agree. It showed.

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Also the ending was so abrupt. like there really was no ending. there was no point for the whole thing. What the hell was Fiona trying to accomplish at the end?

In retrospect Len was right when he suggested in the scene that Fiona reveal her true intentions. Jason of course didnt agree. It showed.

This is what I think:

Fiona, apparently, wanted independence. She used her father's desperation to avoid a scandal as a way to gain control over her own life.

I feel that Jason expected the ending to be more ironic and profound than it ended up being. The main character is now a part of "the leisure class." He's bargained away his entire identity and is now as shallow and fake as the rest of the 1%. Unfortunately, there is no road that leads us there because the characters are so poorly drawn. The main character was never presented as anything more than shallow and fake, so what does it all mean? Absolutely nothing.












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I feel that Jason expected the ending to be more ironic and profound than it ended up being.

Yep, exactly.


The main character is now a part of "the leisure class." He's bargained away his entire identity and is now as shallow and fake as the rest of the 1%. Unfortunately, there is no road that leads us there because the characters are so poorly drawn. The main character was never presented as anything more than shallow and fake, so what does it all mean? Absolutely nothing.


Nice critique.


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Thank you, Odds. 











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Odds is right, that was a great critique of the ending. He should have hired you to help write the script. Actually they shouldn't have started filming till they had a finished script.

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There's a car flip in Fargo. But we don't actually see it. We only see taillights in the distance. Then we hear skidding and the taillights disappear. The Coens focused on the aftermath of the accident rather than the accident itself. And it worked just fine. In fact, that scene is iconic.

Not being able to do the stunt is only a problem because Jason sucks at creativity.

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Not being able to do the stunt is only a problem because Jason sucks at creativity.

I agree with this. I can see why he thought the car flip was so foundational to the story now. Everyone's reaction to the accident looked so silly after seeing how minor it was. There were other ways it could have been fixed, though.

Unfortunately, because Jason lacks creativity, he has to have everything exactly the way he wants it... or stop making films.










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One of the problems is that the car accident was shot on the last day, and everything else (its aftermath) was already in the can. Since there was no depiction on PG that the car accident was added to the script once production began (which would be silly since the last half of the movie somewhat revolves around the fact that there was a car accident), I assume that the wreck was in the approved draft of the film that greenlighted the production, in other words, HBO approved the draft that had the car wreck in it. So it is perplexing that well into producton, it was decided by HBO that they couldn’t do the car flip or anything similarly perilous (to the characters of the movie) due to budget. Something just doesn’t ring true about it, and it may be that they just changed their minds, due to the Midnight Rider tragedy. WIth proper precautions, experienced stunt drivers and cages, etc., it shouldn’t have been too dangerous, but I suspect that HBO didn’t want to do it/show it because in order to properly depict it, it would be neceesary to show all the important safety steps, would take up a lot of screen time on PG, and would cost money. Perhaps a fear that guerilla-filmmakers would use the show as a “how-to” on their own low-to-no-budget film and someone could get killed in that scenario. I think they were trying to be responsible... almost functioning as a PSA -- “don’t do it, kids, its dangerous”... I think the HBO lawyers might have had some input on the decision.

But I understand Jason’s confusion because it’s a major change in the middle of production and it did have an impact on the story and the resulting film. And he’s told no flip and low impact stunt, and then Effie pulled him aside in the middle of the shooting day and says way too much stuff. She should have stated her position clearly at the beginning, instead of starting with about how she’s able to pull a bunch of stuff together, etc. And Jason was too inexperienced to respond correctly, too. If Effie had started out like that with Sydney Pollack, he would have cut her off and said, “What the hell are you trying to tell me?”

Midnight Rider was such a tragedy, and it’s mind-boggilng how such a stupid mistake was made by a film crew. It’s so so so sad.

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err- he was EXPLICITLY told days and days and days before the stunt shoot that it was doable by Effie, while Effie DELIBERATELY did not give the stunt co-ordinator the go-ahead to start modifying the vehicle for the flip. When it became time for Jason to take control of the stunt shoot, Effie had ensured that time had run out for the needed prep work.

It was a VERY, VERY clear act of sabotage by Effie. Had Jason knew the flip was out, he could have spoken with the stunt co-ordinator IN GOOD TIME to arrange something else.

Jason trusted Effie, and that was his biggest mistake. But he agreed to keep her at the beginning of production, because Jason wanted to show his PC credentials. Damon and the Farrelly brothers knew what was coming when Effie disrupted the director interviews.

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Took way too long to establish the characters and when it did it sucked. All the characters were so forgettable

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i feel like there are 2/3 of this movie yet to be made. it was like a short film in a way. it was somewhere between a film school short and a hollywood production.

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im a little further than you but i can see why the stunt did not work. it had to be more dramatic. i'm at the scene where they are trying to cover it up. if it was a major crash it would make sense. but the crash was a minor fender bender. doesn't make sense to cover it up.


yeah Jason was actually right about that. but more than anything it just wasn't funny. could've used the farelly brothers to help out b.....oh yeah. that happened.

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But Farrelly thought the script was fine, which is confusing. And didn't he also see the director's cut and thought it was full of great stuff? Didn't Matt Damon also tell Jason the same thing?

I don't necessarily think Pete Jones is some kind of great writer, but I was surprised that he came up with such a crappy script. I feel like something is missing. Part of me feels the failure of this movie rests solely on Jason's taste. I liked what he did with Not Another Pretty Woman, but I did not care much for Delicacy. One of the main differences there is that he did not write Not Another Pretty Woman, but he did write Delicacy. Leisure Class was his and then he got Pete to help him make it a full-length feature. Then Pete left and Jason allowed the actors to take over. Even with all that, there were people like Damon and Farrelly telling him he had shot some great stuff. It seems like the movie might have been in there somewhere, but Jason was not able to find it. It was on him to cut it well, make the appropriate choices in regard to story, tone and pacing, character development, and do sensible reshoots. All of that was on Jason and it might have made all the difference in the movie.











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yeah a little too much coddling till it was too late. I think Jason really needed someone with a comedy movie background to coach him thru the process though.

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It just wasn't very good. The writing sucked, can't make a good movie without a good script. I felt sorry for the actors, they were not able to rise above the mediocre script. The only bright spot was Bridget Regan.

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the biggest surprise to me was the poor writing. from the show it seemed like Pete Jones had it nailed down. I guess he's not as good as previously thought or he deliberately was playing Jason.

They seemed to then want to rely on the actors ad-libbing but that did not work. the chemistry between the main character and brother was dead. Both actors couldn't come up with any funny lines to ad-lib.

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