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Anyone Watch The 'Film'? BRUTAL. (Stupid Timeline.)


Three million dollars for that POS!?

All of the "buzz words" Jason was dropping to impress people, trying so hard to convince everyone that he's some "auteur" -- and THIS is the film he made? All of the production stuff aside, HE WROTE THIS. It sucked. I mean, it's horrible and it really sums up Hollywood; all talk, no skill.

Where in the hell did the money go!? You had ONE location for 95% of the film so your striking and set-ups were kept to a minimum. You have a huge crew to light a bunch of medium and close-up shots -- rarely a single wide shot of any scope. And it took THREE MILLION DOLLARS for this!?

First of all... let's breakdown the film on a narrative level and look at this stupid timeline that Jason was so concerned about...

What were the stakes? Charlie wants to marry into the family, falls in love for real, then his brother randomly shows up (how?) the day before the wedding. Not a horrible logline but it's been done... TO DEATH. But, then what? What's the big unravel!?

11PMish -- Oh, the brother wants to drink.

12AMish -- The family arrives at some randomly party (which isn't exciting enough) where 12 people are sitting on a couch drinking, then people start falling into the pool as the "chaos"?

1AMish -- Then, the brother takes a car and gets into a fender-bender... where a guy is parked on the side of the street at that hour? Why in the hell would someone be parked on the side of the street? (I'm assuming this isn't how it was supposed to be but it's what they showed... I'm sure he was supposed to have been driving.) A fender-bender is what's going to "bring the family down"? That's what the dad is freaked-out about?

3AMish -- Everyone gets home but, the day before the wedding, now the dad wants to interrogate Charlie!? Any real life person would want to go to bed or they would have already done this BEFORE the pre-wedding party... but if not, show someone handing him some documents!!! Then, it ups the stakes, like, we know the dad has something on him.

4AMish -- Charlie's random confession to family who's still awake. Huh?

4:30-5:30AM -- The basement interrogation and just mouth vomit of unprompted random exposition.

8AM -- People are waking up, not tired, having a pillow fight, watching the wedding being set up. Then the wedding goes off a couple hours later!?


I mean... come the hell on. This is supposed to be ONE NIGHT!? Then they should have started way earlier to have it make any kind of sense and I can't fathom how a director or a producer or a network executive couldn't put this simple timeline together and go, "Yeah... this is just stupid."

Plus, every character was not likable or relatable. Right out of the gate, Charlie and the soon-to-be wife are constantly kissing. I mean, is that how we show they like each other? I can imagine Jason; "Um, just kiss... a lot... I believe that is what humans do to show this thing called love." Then the brother comes in and it's just a lotta smoke, not much fire. Like, oh, something's going down!! Oh, not really. NOBODY IS DEVELOPED!!!!!! Oh, the sister is a politician? SHOW IT. The sister is a lawyer? SHOW IT!! It's just talking heads the whole time.

The problem is the ridiculous over-reaction to the smallest plot point and we're all supposed to be along for 'the ride' when it's not a ride at all.

- Brother shows up
- They go to a small get-together
- A car is crashed
- The dad points a gun at them in the basement
- The end.

Buckle up.

And, btw... a real director doesn't need to over-score every... single... scene. My God. Like, it's not funny but if make the lame needle-drop score REALLY LOUD IT'LL BE FUNNY!!!!! Nope.

Just embarrassing and it's sad that they wasted three million dollars on this piece of crap. I'm embarrassed for the actors who were told how 'funny' everything was. It's not.





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The 'Party' scene was pretty weak. How is 12 people sitting on a couch called a party. Maybe that's the type of parties Jason goes to. But for this movie to work, it should have been a wild party with some music, drinks, hard drugs, etc... you get the picture. Something out of control.

Instead they went to the lamest party ever. Even the Shriners club gets down at party's more then this bunch of dweebs.

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I know, right!? Like, something out of "Neighbors," where it's just insane craziness, speed ramp editing (fast to super slow, body cams of people walking around looking into camera while the background moves, etc.).

They stride in like they're about to own it... and it's like a handful of schlubs sitting around. Put on some strobe lights, big music, etc... something out of everyone's comfort zone. But no, instead of people sitting around the mansion drinking, they're drinking at some rando's house and the guy's like, "I'm getting naked and jumping in the pool" for some reason... then, within 10 seconds, when Charlie's in the pool with him, he sneaks out, dries off, clothes on... and NOBODY SEES HIM!?

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 THANK YOU for this!

then, within 10 seconds, when Charlie's in the pool with him, he sneaks out, dries off, clothes on...

And the thing is, even just keeping them wet and undressed would have made the accident more "threatening," but I guess Jason was depending so much on that car flip that he didn't consider that. Bottles of booze in the car... visible drunkenness... 

Just curious, what did you think of the score?










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Yeah, the timeline was brutal.

THREE MILLION DOLLARS for this!
At least 3.3mm. Thought I heard Effie say 3.5 million at one point.

his brother randomly shows up (how?)
he saw an invitation the uncle got, which makes no sense.

Charlie wants to marry into the family, falls in love for real
Wanted to get ahold of charitiable trust funds, then falls for the daughter

The family arrives at some randomly party (which isn't exciting enough) where 12 people are sitting on a couch drinking,
Ha! Good point.

when Charlie's in the pool with him, he sneaks out, dries off, clothes on... and NOBODY SEES HIM!?
Charlie was never in the pool when Dean was. Charlie was standing there when dean and Fiona's sister grabbed their clothes from the ground nearby.

the brother takes a car and gets into a fender-bender... where a guy is parked on the side of the street at that hour? Why in the hell would someone be parked on the side of the street?
Actually the sister was driving with Dean as a passenger, and she cut off another driver who hit an empty parked car. Why there was an empty parked car in the middle of nowhere? No idea.

now the dad wants to interrogate Charlie
yeah, with an illogical background check that made no sense whose ID was actually being exposed.

People are waking up, not tired, having a pillow fight, watching the wedding being set up.
And drawing penis pics on dad's face. 




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The crazy thing is that Jason wanted everything to start at NIGHT!!! WHY!!? If the initial party was at night, then they wouldn't be going to bed until long after midnight then they'd just be up all night. As it stands, it's such a stupid timeline, starting at dusk. It should have been a morning brunch to have any possible logical time-flow.

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Re the drawing pictures on dad's face, remember Jason wasn't happy that the penis wasn't big enough and wanted it redrawn?? What the effing difference did it make! He was so focused on the stupidist things. How could he miss all the bigger problems?

I just saw the 15 minute version of Present Trauma yesterday, one of the shorts that was submitted. Too bad they didn't pick this director and then let him make a movie from that script. It would have been so much better than this.

Oh, but wait, they wanted to do a comedy this time. Yeah, like the script they chose was hilarious!

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Having Fiona smirk/giggle at the penis on her dad's face further blurred the lines for me about who-the-fck her character was supposed to be. If she had been annoyed or disgusted by it, I could have seen her as someone who hates the way her father acts but still has some daughterly compassion for him regardless.

Jason thought he was doing "edgy dark comedy", but it was a mess. He either had to go all the way with that, or have a deft touch to keep at least some characters worth rooting for.

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I just saw the 15 minute version of Present Trauma yesterday, one of the shorts that was submitted. Too bad they didn't pick this director and then let him make a movie from that script. It would have been so much better than this.


I honestly think that making the film is almost secondary because it seems like they cast the person, not the filmmaker... like, who's going to give us the most drama. Either cast someone completely unlikable so the audience roots against them... or cast some 'babe in the woods' where the audience feels sorry for them.

What's clear is that HBO bent their own rules to have Jason on. The guy who did the Jigsaw movie was, accordingly to the panel, the hands down best... but "because he did his own film" he wasn't as good because they (supposedly) liked Jason's take on someone else's material better and "that's what the competition is about -- directing someone else's material." At least... until Jason got to direct his own material :/

EVERY filmmaker is sitting on a feature script and the panelist know that... so it shouldn't be some big revelation that Jason has a script. And, what does it matter if it's a comedy or a horror or a drama as long as it can be done for three million and be commercially-viable (especially since Leisure Class was not).

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Yeah, it does appear that they picked Jason because they saw more drama with him. Especially when we see some of the people's reaction in the room to him. (I think it was Peter Farrelly that was really upset at Jason's attitude when they interviewed him).

Lol...so they probably did Mark Manalo, the director of Trauma, a favor by NOT picking him. Same for the director of Jigsaw, which I thought was funny. If this show doesn't help Jason I hope it at least gives some of the other people more exposure.

As for the Speed Dating submissions, I watched all those yesterday as well. I thought the Vietnamese man and the woman directors did the most polished and funny version of the story.

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Uh... So, I'll ask again (and then just accept that I'm being ignored):

Just curious, what did you think of the score?


Anyone? ...Anyone?











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Did you or I post that? If not, I definitely want to know as well.

If the composer is on this board, I apologize, but I HATED IT. It was overly-synthesized, melodramic telenovela style music and there was just waaaaaay too much of it at too high of a volume.

In this day and age... the director of "Beasts of No Nation" was just talking about this very topic last night at the Q&A and he was saying how films are backing off of score because the viewers are getting more savvy to how the filmmakers are trying to force emotions instead of letting a real emotion happen. Like, with this film... there wasn't comedy at all but the film was scored so heavily like, "Here's the big comedic swell... LAUGH HERE!!!!"

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The music was so confusing. Just LOUD and never matched what was going on in the scene.











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Soooooooo bad. Like, guys like Spielberg over-score to really hammer home what emotion you need to be feeling, but at least the score matches the mood. But like you were saying, this score just was all over the place and SUPER generic. I don't know who the hell the composer was but you can literally find better library music for $250 a track. This sounded like some first-timer on a Casio keyboard... it was super 'public access'-sounding.

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I can't believe you took time to write this synopsis of film drivel
You are mostly right but why bother!

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Jason acted like a spoiled brat. Effie talked about fast food and Jason says he never eats that stuff. Obviously. He is an orthorexic, narcissistic douchebag that spent more time on film over digital than thinking about plot holes of the story. I hate it when screenwriters have no life experience so they don't think like an actual human being.

Here are the plot points that bothered me:

His brother sees an invitation that was sent to his uncle; why would he send an invitation to ANYONE in his real family? At least build in a backstory that he likes to brag about his crimes to his uncle. One sentence would have fixed this. UGH.

Charlie and Fiona in love: I didn’t see them being in love at all except for that little “Hi” thing they did.

They show up at a strange party. No one seemed to own the home. Why did Fiona get mad that Charlie was trying to protect her naked sister? She is running for office; why would she take off her clothes and jump in? Wouldn’t other party guests jump in the pool if beautiful naked women were in there? It looked like Leonard and the sister were stealing everyone’s clothes- what happened with that?
It was hard to hear but Daddy Warbucks was a member of a super-secret club of racists? Then it got completely dropped?

Fiona’s hair is nearly dry already in the car. They couldn’t have caught up to the other car if they had all gotten dressed and she towel-dried her hair.

Why did her sister stop her car after the near miss? It seems to me that she just cut him off. She was drunk right? Why would she stop the car and run over there? What drunk driver that had a near miss pulls over and waits for the cops and mom and dad to come? The wreck was lame. No, they didn’t need to flip the car but they could have had a bigger wreck. What was Daddy Warbucks whispering to the guy on the stretcher? How was no one not arrested? The guy said he was okay but got loaded up into an ambulance? The interior of the ambulance looked like a generic empty van- where was all the equipment?

Daddy Warbucks waits until right before the wedding for the background check? Was the background check revealing details about someone else with the exact same name as his faked name and date of birth? Nice coincidence that someone has that name and DOB.

Next morning no one is tired? After all that fighting everyone just went to bed? Daddy Warbucks didn’t insist on kicking them out?
The marriage license would be in the wrong/fake name so the marriage is null and void anyway.
Why would Leonard try to talk him out of getting married? Why would it be unethical for them to get married? Also, he grows a conscience literally overnight? Leonard’s character completely turns into the opposite of himself in the morning? Did the hooker attend the wedding or did she hide out in the house during it? No one finds it strange that Daddy Warbucks didn't kick her out before the wedding?

The hooker was too attractive and her hair is right on trend. Her body is nice and she looks well-groomed. I've NEVER seen that on COPS. Real hookers are nasty. Also, she presumably was getting paid for services but decided to just spend the night? She needs to make money.

The rollerskate idea the director had would not have made sense- where did they all get rollerskates that just happen to fit them?
So by marrying Charlie/William she is dicking her father over and has him by the balls? How is that?

Mom hates Daddy Warbucks and wants to leave him but decides to stay with him because...why?

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