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Can anyone name any (other) films with great analytical/theoretical dialogue?


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Not really.

Maybe The Squid and the Whale, that had some really excellent dialogue, but not quite the same thing as Roger Dodger.

Is it just me, or has use of the word "pretentious" gone up 150% in the last 5 years?

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Thanks Maynard, I'll look out for that.

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Doesn't that also have Jesse Eisenberg in it?

Some more movies;

My Dinner With Andre is one long philosophical dinner conversation but I found the movie boring actually. So you can read up on that but bear in mind that you could find it very boring. I don't remember if it was witty or not.

I acutally found I Heart Huckabees very witty, but that might just be me. I've heard lots of people hate it.

I'd also recommend High Fidelity with John Cusack if you haven't seen that. It's not really psychologically or philosophically witty but it is witty. It's about a guy who works in a record store who gets into serious debates about music with his friends and he also has relationship problems which he overanalyzes.

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Thanks October, those films had completely escaped my mind.

Cheers!

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Wasn't there one with Jon Lovitz? A surreal film that started out in a restaurant.

I could be completely wrong.

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You're thinking of "Happiness"

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You're welcome. Have you seen any of those?

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I haven't, I've just found the 'My Movies' section of IMDb.

Friends tell me about so many films and I can't keep them all in my head at once. So it's really nice and appreciated when people remind me of films I hope to see.

Thanks again.

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You're welcome.

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I would recomend pretty much anything by Neil LaBute.
Especially "In the Company of Men". It has a similar theme/feel and is very dialougue driven, though it's a bit more raw than "Rodger Doger".

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Hey thanks for that, I'll look out for it!

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Try a movie called Naked.

It's about Johnny, a man who, like Roger, has a fierce intellect and wit, but who is also cynical and emotionally distant.

There is an incredible scene where he tries to convince a security guard that the end of the world is coming. He nearly had me convinced.

While watching this I wondered what would happen if Roger and Johnny had a conversation.

Give Naked a watch, but make sure you're in a good mood, because it is a very depressing movie!

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I've just seen Naked (1993) recommended by JasonCav. What a brilliant film!


Very similar to Roger Dodger, yet completely different. Naked was clearly a huge influence and inspiration for Dylan Kidd.

Can't wait to see it again for a more in-depth viewing.

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I just saw an excellent film recently, "Conversations with Other Women," which has some great discussions about power and sex and relationships and men and women -- very very good dialogue, though not as brilliant as Roger D., my hero. :)

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Watch "Kicking and Screaming" (not the will ferrell version, but the one from 1995. You will NOT be disappointed.

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I've just come back to this thread!


Thanks for all the recommendations!!!


I was a little disappointed with the rest of Roger Dodger after such a fantastically witty opening from the title character. - But the whole film was still great! A breath of fresh air fo'sho'.

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Woody Allen has made loads of witty films with exellent dialogue, although they don't approach sexuality in the same way as Roger. Try Deconstructing Harry.

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Thanks!


I've just seen = The Last Supper.

It was quite socially/politically intriguing.

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Similar to Woody Allen, Whit Stillman's Preppy Trilogy (Metropolitan, Barcelona and Last Days of The Disco) would be a good choice. (Not a million miles away from the aforementioned The Squid and The Whale.)

The characters are phenomenally solipsistic, and very entertaining.

My fave philosophically-concerned Woody films are Crimes and Misdemeanors and Hanna and Her Sisters (they don't have the contrived artiness of his other more Bergmanesque stuff).

There are also a lot of very good recommendations on this thread, so enjoy.

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I'm with you, Crimes and Misdemeanors and Hanna and Her Sisters are two of my favorite Woody Allen films.

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Swingers from 1996

Before Sunrise from 1995
Before Sunset from 2004

P.S. from 2004 (Kidd's second feature)

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Also, 13 Conversations About One Thing.......... and that one thing.... you'll have to watch the movie.


I found Closer awfully interesting from inter-theoretic viewpoint. Maybe that's just me.

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Cheers, I'll add that.


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For anyone who hasn't, check out the psychoanalysis plot keyword - it'll link to films like One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest and Silence of the Lambs:

http://uk.imdb.com/keyword/psychoanalysis/

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Thank you for all your posts.

I'll try and get onto those Woody Allen films, I saw a few when I was younger (too young) but look forward to seeing them again, and more.

Sunset/Sunrise I've seen - and love. Thank you.


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Just to make it clear, the sexuality in RD didn't overly interest me; it was more the social analysis and theories. The women will rule the world conversation was excellent.

It's a shame more of these films don't come up on TV more often.

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I've left some good films in my pending page if you want to take a look, I'll leave them there as long as I can:

http://uk.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=26393173

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I confirm others' comments. The first three movies I thought of were "Before Sunrise," "Before "Sunset" and, especially, "In the Company of Men" (which has a point of view similar to "Roger Dodger").

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Todd Solondz is worth checking out.

Death to Videodrome! Long live the new flesh!

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Little Miss Sunshine has a bit of that.

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I think a lot of movies being offer, are based outside a boy/girl relationship situation.

I mean, for a guy watching Roger Dodger he'll be screaming "Yeh that's right, tell the kid the truth" and thinking inside himself what "Truths" to better himself.

Not to go mainstream, but when I watch "Hitch" for the first time, It put alot of Roger comments into reality situation, to the point to tell Will to shut up about insights given.

Look, in the end...

It's all about spinning our logic onto the mind we're trying to control and having them follow suit. (Relationships, Who to vote for, What car to buy,etc.)

I mean, do we make a independent choices anymore or is it all scripted for us. Even reality shows have writers...

I'll just continue watching Northern Exposure, Scrubs and other things creating my own private world far existing from the which exist.

Is that, what we are doing? By collecting movies, tv programs, video games and etc, as a Linus security blanket.

The Matrix is alive in ourselves.

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Another update to say thank you to everyone. I'm still interested in these films, so more recommendations are welcome. Naked (1993) is still one of my favourite films, and I also recommend anything else by Mike Leigh, although Naked has the most bite.

I recommend anyone following to go onto the likes of Bergman. Scenes From A Marriage is devastating, for example.


Thanks to simple_price for his/her insight on escapism. Here's a post I wrote on another site that might be of interest:


'I often think we search for something to relate to; chipping away the superfluous rock to reveal the statue of self. It's the irony of escapism. And we heed the dulcet swell of the siren distinct because it has a semblance of a waking dream; a safe place to sculpt the subconscious. That's probably the medium's hook.

And there's maybe one film that got through so profoundly, that we continue in futile search of a similar experience.

There's a pitiful, almost fideist expectation that it will happen again; with the blinkered hunt allowing little room for external development.

It's not the medium that I believe has intrinsic contention, but the vacuum that is escapism.


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The moon shines in my body, but my blind eyes cannot see it:
The moon is within me, and so is the sun.
The unstruck drum of Eternity is sounded within me; but my deaf ears cannot hear it...

...The flower blooms for the fruit: when the fruit comes, the flower withers.
The musk is in the deer, but it seeks it not within itself: it wanders in quest of grass.

(The moon shines in my body - Kabir - 15th Century)'

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My single film that I'm trying to better is 'Spirit of the Beehive'. It's my favourite film. Pan's Labyrinth was a pastiche version of Colmena.

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Man, you gotta see "The Last Run".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376720/


Also, don't be fooled with its imdb rating.


"what if Forrest Gump was full of *beep*"

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I just saw a movie called Tadpole. I didn't really like it much but it really reminded me of Roger Dodger. It was about a 15 year old kid (who looks and acts like he's much older) who was in love with his stepmother. He doesn't care for girls his own age because he thinks he's so superior to them.

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The 1995 films "Kicking and Screaming" and Before Sunrise" immediately spring to mind.

"With friends like these, who needs friends?"

-Gossip Girl (CW)

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Yeah, it's hard to find a movie with dialogue as sharp, witty, or memorable (quotable?) as R/D. None of the characters in any of Woody Allen's films approach Roger in terms of sheer verbal ability, and I was surprised that someone brought up High Fidelity because Cusack's character is not in the same league.

That said, the Coen brothers do great dialogue, and one film in particular I'd recommend is Miller's Crossing. The Tom character (Gabriel Byrne) is not as funny, loquacious, or as brazen as Roger, but they're both dazzlingly quick-witted.

Another film I'd recommend is The Croupier, with Clive Owen. I've always thought that Owen and Scott vaguely resemble each other physically, and The Croupier is a another remarkable film driven by excellent dialogue.

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I know it's not in the same league, and has since been folded into the mainstream, but I always thought some of the exchanges with Mickey in Swingers had similar thoughtful insight.


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I would recommend 'Grosse Point Blanket'. Similar style to 'Roger Dodger'; very witty dialogue and enjoyable to watch.

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