remake - Den osynlige (2002) Discussion

[–] DavidHasselh0ff 17 years ago

Very interesting indeed. I just watched the trailer for the original (thanks for the link) and it looks identical to the shi tty Hollywood remake trailer only much much better. This MTV spoonfed sheep version will most likely have cameos by Lil Bow Wow and the like. PUKE!

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[–] MK MAN 17 years ago

****MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!***

The remake was awfull!!!! The begining was OK. Although, the pop culture songs poping in every five minutes were way overblown and quite distracting. Infact, I felt like I was watching some teen soap oprah half the time. While the Swedish original was a powerful and dark film that could be watched and enjoyed by a more mature audience. I got nothing other than sedimental crap from this cheesy ending. The originals end MADE THE FILM!!!!

God why did they have to screw it up in the last ten minutes?!! (Originally Nick has extensive brain damage and is considred to be in a perminate invisible state in which he can never recover, so he asks Annie to pull the plug. She does, its emotional griping and powerfull. Then she is taken off to jail. This conclusion was profound and highly moving. It was both unpredictable and poetic leaving tears in my eyes.) The new conclusion consists of happy go lucky sh*t (bad girl dies instead, good pretty boy is perfectly fine --no harm done. He moves on with his life and everything is a-okay!)

If you havent seen the original subtitled Swedish film "Den Osynlige" Please do!!! Its an incredible movie experience that you will remember for years to come. Dont judge it based upon this crappy screw-up of a concept with so much potential.

And if you have seen the original, please respond!!!! How do you feel the two compare?

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[–] rstelly500 17 years ago

I agree with you that the remake is horrible.Everything that made "Den Osynlige"intelligent and poignant has been muted.The alt-pop music is annoying and the changed ending is a travesty.

A major weakness is the perfomance of Justin Chatwin in the lead role. Anyone who has seen the original with Gustaf Skaarsgard can attest to that.

A total dissapointment.

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[–] SonOfEvermore 17 years ago

I have only seen the original, and by the comments from those of you who have seen the remake.. I think I'll try avoid seeing it..

So unfortunate that Hollywood feels the need to wreck a good story, and for what reason? So little kids and their grandparents will be able to look back on seeing it?

What's wrong with this world.

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[–] przgzr 15 years ago

What's wrong with this world.

Just one thing: we've let the word "world" be replaced by word "America".

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[–] sunrevolt 17 years ago

The remake is quite horrible and the only way I sat through it was because of the soundtrack. The male lead is horrible thus killing the whole movie. There are several scenes in the remake that make no sense. The breaking into his room scene was particularly horrible to watch.

I thought Annelie pulls the plug because Niklas knows his mother won't set him free? The Hollywood ending is so horrible because there is really no justice in letting her die.

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[–] jarth-2 17 years ago

God why did they have to screw it up in the last ten minutes?!! (Originally Nick has extensive brain damage and is considred to be in a perminate invisible state in which he can never recover, so he asks Annie to pull the plug. She does, its emotional griping and powerfull. Then she is taken off to jail. This conclusion was profound and highly moving. It was both unpredictable and poetic leaving tears in my eyes.) The new conclusion consists of happy go lucky sh*t (bad girl dies instead, good pretty boy is perfectly fine --no harm done. He moves on with his life and everything is a-okay!)

If you havent seen the original subtitled Swedish film "Den Osynlige" Please do!!! Its an incredible movie experience that you will remember for years to come. Dont judge it based upon this crappy screw-up of a concept with so much potential.

And if you have seen the original, please respond!!!! How do you feel the two compare?

I prefer the Invisible over Den Osynlige. I'm glad Nick lived in the remake.

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[–] Audiblesilence 17 years ago

Americans have issues with pulling the plug on brain dead people. It is a topic of much debated and truthfully the original would never fair well in the States as a result. Yes the original is 110% better because it is "real" but it doesn't make for a good Friday night popcorn flick. Americans like happy endings and cookie cutter characters...not really worth getting upset about, they are just movies.

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[–] online9 15 years ago

"Americans have issues with pulling the plug on brain dead people."

I live in the U.S. and help people prepare their advance directives every day. I have yet to meet one person who asks to be kept alive no matter what. They all say, "if I'm not going to wake up, pull the plug!"

I find it terribly ironic that an ethical question that's so non-controversial on a personal level, becomes controversial when approached on the societal level.

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[–] przgzr 15 years ago

It is very upsetting, because once Americans make a remake the original simply vanishes from the world distribution and is completely replaced by American mild soap, most likely brainwashing versions.

I live in Europe, I read a lot about movies, and I have never heard about "Den osynlige" until I saw American version, and wandering along IMDb pages found that it was originally made by Swedish authors.

Just compare the rating: Swedish version was rated by (so far) less than 1500 people, and American by more than 15000 (more than 10:1 ratio!). As much as I know, population of Europe is still much bigger than America (not just USA). And don't say that it's because Americans use IMDb more, because of language etc: American version is rated by more non-USA than American voters (almost 50 percent more)! But how can you give a rating to European movie if you can get no information that it exists at all, and American version is playing in your theater, TV and the DVD can be found on every shop shelf?

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[–] Minten09 15 years ago

I am totally divided between the orgiginal and the remake.
I usually don´t like swedish films because they most often have really lame dialogue, but den osynlige was pretty good.
but then I like the remake too, cause everything sounds better in english, and the ending? I don´t know, but if you´re gonna make a remake you should change something so it just doesn´t become the same thing, just in an other language, and contrary to what others have written, I quite liked the main actor.
but in the end I think the original wins

KIRA IS JUSTICE

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[–] asmhacker 17 years ago

Both movies is currently on www.joox.net and can be compared.

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[–] edge_and_christian_16382 16 years ago

one thing i did noticed about the hollywood version ending was it felt out of place and yes i did see the hollywood version first

the difference in endings were great i wasnt exspecting him too die in the end

i dunno what was better cause besides the ending they are the same movie

i know a few of u's don't like the actors but i felt like they did there jobs and acted very well the music wasnt a problem for me and i felt like it fit the movie well

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[–] Glimmer81 16 years ago

Besides the ending both movies are almost the same. But the original ending is certainly a lot more profound and I agree with the one who said it wouldn't go down well in the states. It would spark an ethical debate between people with certain believes, but I fail to see why that is a bad thing...

Personally I feel a few details were made better in the remake, I also enjoyed the pop-rock soundtracks, but I found the original ending superior...

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[–] grant-156 16 years ago

Saw the remake first and thought that it was a pretty decent film. Can't say I enjoyed the "pop-rock" soundtrack too much though. I had no idea that it was a remake until afterwards, so rightfully I watched the original too. Did not enjoy watching this though! I was mostly disapointed with the one dimensional acting and found myself wishing I was watching the remake instead... (Tuva Novotny was decent though)

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[–] pthmichael 16 years ago

Both the throwing of the book against the bookcase and the shower scene in the remake are carbon copies of the same scenes from the original.

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[–] DYouKnowWhatIMean 12 years ago

Saw the remake first as well. Loved it, still do despite a few flaws. I do not like the original at all. I guess it is just like the star wars argument...Whatever trilogy you saw first, chances are you will enjoy better.

Jack Shephard "You disrespect his memory by wearing his face but you're nothing like him."

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[–] przgzr 15 years ago

It would spark an ethical debate between people with certain believes, but I fail to see why that is a bad thing...

There are powerful people in USA who decide what Americans have to think and feel, and they don't want them to start thinking with their brains. Controversy of any kind (even much milder than ethical dilemmas like this) raises a risk of thinking, so should be avoided at all costs. Americans were first made illiterate, and when they are not able to read subtitles (and never knew languages like Swedish, of course) they were additionally made despise non-USA movies as a crap (just look how they use word "foreign" movies as a major insult), so now they won't give a chance to original movie, and such remakes is all they get.

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[–] Good_Citizen 13 years ago

Frankly I don't need to compare anything. I haven't seen the remake and don't want to, as it's pretty obvious what Hollywood would turn this into.

1. Add lots of black/asian/whatever actors. Americans are TERRIFIED of being accused of racism.
2. Turn the ending into something happy. Because letting Americans exit a movie theatre in a bad mood is not a good idea. Who knows, they might just go and shoot someone.
3. Add trashy pop and hip hop music.
4. Increase action/violence/blood by exactly 400%.

5. American remake complete.

That pretty much sums it up doesn't it?

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[–] Enoklyn 13 years ago

Actually you were wrong on the first point. I know it would be true in most cases, but I didn't notice any token black/asian actors in this remake.
Unfortunately you were very right about 2 and 3 though.

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[–] WakenPayne 11 years ago

"1. Add lots of black/asian/whatever actors. Americans are TERRIFIED of being accused of racism."

Wrong! There is barely any of that in The Invisible.

"2. Turn the ending into something happy. Because letting Americans exit a movie theatre in a bad mood is not a good idea. Who knows, they might just go and shoot someone."

I admit, they changed the ending - but it fit with the story, unlike the Spoorloos remake which had an ending that didn't fit.

"3. Add trashy pop and hip hop music."

There is no hip hop in The Invisible. That might have decrease my rating for it.

The score of Den Osynlige however was basically pop music anyway.

"4. Increase action/violence/blood by exactly 400%."

No no no, you're thinking of the Halloween remake.

Kaikki menee jonnekin ja menen kaikkialle

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