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Why didn't they hate things back into existence?


I know it's a technicality but. . . think about it. . .

And don't say they could only hate things "away" because that isn't true. I mean even when they would hate a material object away - empty open space replaced it. . Nothingness is always something(That's a whole other discussion, haha).

I mean. . . If you are hungry, you could hate the fact that you don't have food. . That fact exists.. . .Right. . In a concrete sense the absence of food is real and tangible and could be done away with, right. . .

Then they started hating away emotions and memories. . . So when Dave was hating his hate away and Andrew wouldn't go with it and also hate his own hatred away. . Couldn't Dave had just hated Andrew's hate?

Hell. . . .When he said they were gods he technically should have been right, haha. He could have even hated away Andrew's powers! Leaving himself as the boss king diggity dog of their existence.

I don't know. .. I liked this a lot actually, just some of these lingering ideas in my head have kind of annoyed me.

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I thought the movie was pretty unique and nicely done but at the end of it, I had the same thought--why not just hate the nothingness away? I did think that the way much of what happened was spot-on in depicting human nature though.





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destruction is not a creative process, there is no ambiguity as to what happens when some tangible thing is removed from existence, but what you describe is more along the lines of creation, which without impossibly detailed descriptions of what exactly it is you are removing the absence of can't be done.

another way to say it is, there is a finite pool of things that exist, so you can in fact point to something and desire its non-existence, but there is an infinite pool of things that don't exist, and you can't explicitly define what it is you want to start existing.



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They couldn't.

They tried hating some food into their world.
They couldn't create food, but they did manage to make their hunger go away.

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problem is you cant HATE something that you WANT, thats why they could never hate food into the world, because its something they wanted.

as to why not hate the nothing away? its possible, it could have been done... problem was, that i dont think they actually ever HATED the nothingness.

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I'd wager that it is because some of the point of the film seems to be that hatred is a destructive process. It can tear down people and destroy civilizations and lives, but it is hard to harness it to do the reverse.

Maybe. I don't know.

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Speaking strictly physically, if the 'hating away' process was simply removing the matter from the universe which comprises the hated object, this would rule out the destruction of their psychological hates, such as memories, feelings of inadequacy on the drums, hunger, and hate itself. I'm no neuroscientist, but I'm sure that simply removing the physical part of the brain that contains a certain memory, emotion or pain processor, would do more damage than the simple erasures shown in the film. What's shown in the film appears to be a reprogramming of the brain, rather than a simple removal of matter.

On a different note, when they were hating away each other down to their heads, there was no perceived loss of blood or other organs through the newly exposed body edges. So when they were just heads, they would have had to have skin at the base of their neck to hold their insides in. So where did that skin come from? And how did they decide how it should come together? If the required design and physical specification is the reason they can't create anything, how did they manage this?

On a similar note, if we're speaking strictly physically, here's no way they'd live as mere heads, since they lack every vital organ except the brain. The brain requires a flow of blood, which is supplied by the heart, which they no longer have. And I'm not sure where the vocal chords are, but I'm fairly sure they're deeper in the throat than the heads shown in the film, hence they wouldn't be able to speak.

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cant hate something you want, simple as that.

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So if they hated not having a body would it then cause them to simply no longer feel upset about not having one?

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yeah i was expecting at the end theyd realize they could hate the nothing away.

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If there´s nothing, and nothing disappears - what do you have left?

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