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We just watched......does he stay with Alex or turn to Sara? Does Alex turn to women......I'm old and confused!!

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My thoughts - he stays with Alex and no, she does not turn to women.

Frances McDormand is a righteous babe in this movie!! LOVE HER!!!!!!!!!

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Yes, I agree with Artemisia999. Alex cries "I want you...", so I think that they'll remain together. I don't think that Sarah was telling Same the truth about her heart. These are just my opinions. The ending leaves the viewer to interpretate what they believe.

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I think that the ending points to something addressed earlier in the film -- that sometimes it's okay to have loose strings. Just as it seemed like everything was about to be neatly packaged up (Alex and Ian wrap things up -- in a way that also suggests that Alex wasn't really into Jane that much, just Ian), Sarah calls and reminds the audience that there is still one loose string left that doesn't get to be tied off. I think Sam's self-submersion shows that he's gtown as a person because he's letting life be...that...way....: without all the loose ends tied off. Which is, his way of accepting his mother.

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I can't imagine Sam would even want to be with Alex after what had happened. So I am thinking they probably didn't remain together in the end.

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I can ...

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Yes Frances is a BABE!!! The only thing this movie had going for it! (Though I suppose Jane's house was nice to look at as well...)

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If you're wondering about the end, then you totally missed the point.

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This is an absolutely pointless response.

Why reply at all if you don't bother sharing your fabulous insight with the OP? I mean, if you clearly understood the ending, why not just answer the question instead of a stupid, sarcastic remark?



I know this defies the law of gravity....but I never studied the law.
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Great movie...really enjoy this type of movies. Rings very true.
I think they stayed together at the end.

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Who could last to the end?

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i JUST finished watching this film, and i'll admit that i was a bit confused about the ending as well. i think that was the point of it really. for the audience to decide where the characters will go. but i was a bit confused as to what sara meant by her call to sam... hmmm.

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I just watched this movie also and I did love it, but the ending was supposed to be a nod to 70s movies like Five Easy Pieces and The Graduate where the ending is not revealed and you have to figure out what happens to the characters from what the story gave you according to the commentary by the writer. I usually like endings that make you think, but this one just leaves a little to much. I wanted a better resolution.

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Ending seemed really out of place IMHO. For the most part of the movie it was rather predictable, there are practically no surprises and then the artificial (while aspiring to be artsy) ending leaves you hanging.

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I don't think there's anything confusing about the ending.
What happened is that Bale realises things are more messed up then he had imagined and probably neither he nor anyone else knows what happens next.
I think the ending wanted to show that you can't plan out your life, something Bale was trying to do so hard in order to avoid becoming a loser like his mother.

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Christain Bale was great in this film. thought the ending wasn't as complex as his earlier film "American psycho" which of course is no comparison to this yet many of his past movies have kind of endings that leave you hanging.

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Christain Bale was great in this film. thought the ending wasn't as complex as his earlier film "American psycho"

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Thank you, glad to see someone is paying attention. In the scene when they first arrive at Jane's, Alex says, "No, it's fine, it's just that we didn't plan on a change of plan." And Jane says, "Well, no, of course not, I mean, who would do that? Who would plan on a change of plan? That's just paranoid!" The ending of the film is Sam suddenly realising that Sarah has become that complete change of plan. Throughout the film he's trying to please Alex but his heart is with Sarah; Alex, having taken a bite from the apple, will never be content with Sam, despite her love for him.

I really liked this film and it works well as a companion piece to The Graduate--making the young the establishment while the parental figure is the counter-culture revolutionary. My only complaint would be that Cholodenko seems to slam the breaks on the characters before they, realistically, would stop themselves. Why would Jane be the first to cry uncle during the three-way? It seems more likely and in character that she would've gone ahead with it anyway and regretted in the morning--she would've touched the stove first to see if it was hot before pulling her hand back. Minor quibble as it all plays out rather well in the end. Bale, once again, is remarkable; Beckinsale finally gets to be in a good movie. McDormand was great.

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Interesting that you mentioned it works well as a companion piece to The Graduate. Did you also notice the scene in Laurel Canyon where Sam was in the pool and dunked his head under the water ala Benjamin in The Graduate?

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Hey, bliss66:
I know this is a way late reply, but I just saw Laurel Canyon, and I wanted to comment on what you said. I agree with you, but I wanted to offer that I thought the writer's choice of Jane putting on the breaks during the second "prelude to a threesome" was perhaps because for the first time, Jane put her son's happiness before her own pleasure, which played out later in her revelation to him poolside. He, in turn, struggles with putting his own happiness first (possibly with Sarah) at the cost of not comprimising it for Alex. It is my opinion that Cholodenko's writing always balances out somehow. Looking forward to her new one, Cavedweller. It just premiered at Tribeca, and should be released sometime in the fall.
Be well!
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and probably neither he nor anyone else knows what happens next.

It's quite obvious what will happen next ... he will torpedo the little boat. He is learning to relax and experience life, like his mother.

Regarding whether they stay together, of course they do, there is no longer any reason to split.

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Torpedo the little Boat????



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Yeah, the toy boat that is pulling Ian across the pool to Jane's amusement is about to be sunk by Sam in an underwater attack ... as he learns to relax and have some fun. He has finally resolved his conflict with his mother.

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But isn't the BF of his mother also GUARDING his mother in that scene???

Remember how she sends him home when her son arrives???

So he gets JEALOUS of the attention she gives her son and ACTS OUT by the attempts to SEDUCE the GF of her son???

So by the end there he is in the POOL INBETWEEN her and her son, as if MARKING his TERRITORY and letting them know he won't be sent home again or shoved out of her life again without there being still more consequences???

This is what I think he realized when he SINKS DOWN to the bottom of the POOL.

That the BF sees him as a RIVAL for the AFFECTIONS of his mother ...

which is also what makes that last scene so FUNNY ...

because even though he HATES the liberated way that his mother behaves ...

he's also been acting just like her by FLIRTING with his female CO WORKER.


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"I usually like endings that make you think, but this one just leaves a little too much."


i totally agree. i felt disappointed, especially since i watched the middle three times (ah, having no time!) before getting to see the end.

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I sort of liked the ending; very literary. Here's what I think: Alex and Sam are probably going to stay together, though we're not supposed to know if this is for the better or for the very worse. And I think when Alex sees his mother's boyfriend being pulled across the pool by the little motorized boat, and his mother is laughing, and Sara's on the phone being almost too honest with him the whole movie (and Sam's not good at dealing with people who are as true to themselves as she is, just look at Sam himself), he slides underwater to get away from it all. The whole world is distorted underwater. But if his whole world is distorted above water, too, then what does that mean?

I don't know, reading into it too much?

Maybe, maybe not. If anything, it probably means the same thing it did in "The Graduate" with Dustin Hoffman floating around at the bottom of the pool. A nice reference to a movie with very similar themes.

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He drowned himself in the water to commit suicide.

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Sam realizes how messed up his life has become, how everything is the complete opposite of what he started with. After seeing Ian being pulled by the boat in the pool, Sam realizes he's fed up and drowns himself. Why else would he go underwater and the last thing you see are a lot of air bubbles going up. If he hadn't drowned himself, I think he and Alex would have stayed together simply because they were already engaged, and both have realized what has become of them.

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Yes, I agree that Sam commits suicide having used up all his mentality.
I lost a bit of mine sitting through this thing, but Frances was Tops!

Kate should go back to slinging spaghetti. Loved Natasha in Ronin.

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San Francisco,CA.

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Bloody nonsense, Don; he has throughout the movie used swimming as a method for regaining a modicum of control. Of, in a way, clearing his head. Again, I do like the nod to The Graduate; I also think that Sam probably went with Sara and that Alex and Jane's boyfriend got it on. My big puzzle is who got that GORGEOUS house?!! The hell with morals; we're talking real estate!

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That is my opinion as well; suicide. No one on the board has mentioned that he was a self-righteous person; he, afterall, had been moving towards an affair with Sarah (a kiss, an affair of the hearts; that's no more than what Alex and Jane and Ian did). Why should he have been so upset finding Alex in bed with Ian? I think he was just fed up with the whole scene and couldn't take it anymore. A great movie.

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Y'all are very silly (or dumb, but I'll give y'all the benefit of the doubt). LOL! Suicide! He grew up with that stuff and put himself thru med school. That's the usual stuff he's always had to put up with, why he felt he needed to protect Alex. The dunk under the water is just a temporary escape, think about what he should do next. It's like being safe, away from the chaos that is his mother's life. Maybe he likes to think underwater. He's at a fork in his life.

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"No one on the board has mentioned that he was a self-righteous person; he, afterall, had been moving towards an affair with Sarah (a kiss, an affair of the hearts; that's no more than what Alex and Jane and Ian did). Why should he have been so upset finding Alex in bed with Ian?"

What Sam did and what Alex did are two completely different things. Sam was able to stop himself. Although he did talk about stuff I'd probably never want my fiance to talk to another chick about. Alex, on the other hand, DID NOT stop herself, and almost did it twice if it wasn't for Sam's mom...and for GOD'S SAKE would you want to find out your fiance had been screwing around with your mom?????? Probably not. What Alex did was WAY WORSE! Besides that Ian guy is busted and annoying.

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Don't you have a cartoon to go watch?

"Gentlemen you can't fight in here!" "This is the war room!" Dr. Strangelove

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I thought the nod to The Graduate was trite in this movie; there are so many references to that scene, i think only Wes Anderson has done it well. Also, the themes between the two are fairly different. I thought this film has some good moments, and francis mcdormand was great, but overall pretty poor. The ending was poor. The director seemed to make it vague and open-ended for no reason, merely to get out of an ending. No balls there! Although it kind of goes along with some of the movie's themes, it's not filmed that way and demands resolution. The whole film is building towards resolution and the director denies us not in an artistic way or a clever way but in a poorly directed way. It was also fairly painful watching Christian Bale "deal" with emotion in any way.

Then you my dear friend are a damn fool!

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what are you talking about?

Then you my dear friend are a damn fool!

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If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm having the same WTF??? experience three years later. Suicide? Absolutely not supported.

I do believe that evil wants its own destruction.

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Here's my take. When Sarah tells Sam that she can't control her heart, or more importantly, wouldn't want to, he looks to his mother and realizes that that's been her philosophy about life. I think at this point Sam comes to an understanding about his mother, Alex and humans in general. We all make mistakes. It doesn't make us bad people, it makes us people. I think he's coming to terms with this. His entire life was spent trying to be the polar opposite of his mother and the type of people she had exposed him to while he was growing up. So much so that he never took the time to realize that you can let your heart guide you at certain times no matter what path you walk in life. So what if Alex doesn't finish her disertation on time? Does that make her any less of the person that he once believed her to be? He sees now that it doesn't. I had expected Sam to thank Sarah after turning to look at his mother. It was an awakening for him.

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You are absolutely correct, DrkSyde. Bravo.

Anyway, I loved this film, and I really can't say why. It left me with a very LOST IN TRANSLATION-esque mood afterwards... I consider it one of the best of 2003 (yes, 2003, despite what the IMDB says).

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I was expecting Sam to come up from below and knock Ian's smug English arse into the water!

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I think Sam, gets out of water, and puts a Huey Lewis and the news CD on, and makes a reservation at Dorsia's. While he takes an axe to Ian's skull.

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"I think Sam, gets out of water, and puts a Huey Lewis and the news CD on, and makes a reservation at Dorsia's. While he takes an axe to Ian's skull."

ajs81880...you're freakin awesome.

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He also decides to change his business cards to a more apealling watermark.

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have read every theory here and this makes most sense. Freudian too. we all find Oedipus disturbing.

he's been trying to be opposite of mom and ends up falling for someone like Mom.

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I originally thought Sam had committed suicide but have come to the same conclusion as you....he is re-evaluating his life and re-birthing himself....seeing a more positive life as to the negative that he had always lived....I loved the movie!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sometimes not all movies end with no lingering thoughts...this one did....he stayed with Alex and became a much better human being....

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I think the ending is pretty clear, actually. I agree that Sam's going underwater is a re-birthing. Remember, his last image before going under is of his mother expressing a "c'est la vie" attitude. Sam has finally realized the same, at least when it comes to relationships. He doesn't go back to Alex; he doesn't unite with Sara. Alex needs him(she thinks), to help her not to "ffuck up". Don't forget, she only ffucks up when it's allowed by Jane and Ian. Had they not allowed it, she wouldn't have done it. This is further emphasized during the almost three-way scene at the Chateau Marmont. Sara wants him, and he wants her, but that's where it ends. It's purely sexual. In the garage, the deepest they get is talking about she going down on him, and he going down on her. Her talk about an uncontrolled heart is merely foreplay. Sam goes under to cleanse himself of both Alex and Sara, and Jane for that matter. And while we don't see it, he arises without all his baggage to start life anew.

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Yeah, I think I'm tending towards that. I saw the end as a baptism - a washing away of all of these sins and transgressions and an attempt to start over fresh. Sam needs redemption from this horrific episode in his life: he has recognized that he can't control everything in life, that some things are just going to happen that are cruel, confusing, and threatening. All the good and bad stuff becomes a part of your life, whether you invited it in or not, and even though you wanted to have a certain life for yourself, stuff is going to happen to change you. "You can't plan for a change of plan." All the changes of plans combine to make you into a person you never knew would evolve from your present self.

I just loved how L.A. was the backdrop for this land where everything spins out of control and suddenly north is south, black is white, etc. It's like just by virtue of going to L.A., their lives are irrevocably scarred and changed. Reminds me of the song Hotel California.

"It's a good deal...it's a good deal for ME!"

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having just escaped from a 2 year beatings from my life in LA, I know my life has been irrevocably scarred and change. I found the lack of morals, judgement and introspection as inbodied in Frances's performance to be totally in character with most of the people I met in LA. Its a truely horrible and lovely place... Hard, spiteful and vicous like a beautiful old whore.


This movie was terrific. Every smart person that thinks they can survive unscathed a short stint in LA should be required to see it. LA will demolish all your innocence, suck out all your drive and leave you either a bitter, phsychotic shell or a wounded refugee. It happens to everyone, but bright people who think about such things as integrity and honor will be sick of the place before those that can just shut of their brains and go with the flow...

By the way... the ending was perfect... it makes you think of all the ways it could turn out... I like being challenged like that.

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Wow, I loved reading all the different interpretations of the ending...and that's why a movie like this is a great contribution and can be called art - a film that generates thought and engages people in discussion in its aftermath.

Something I'd like to add...

The end is totally open to possibility and I don't think we are meant to assume anything about the choices Sam makes next. Also, Sam comments to Sarah on the phone that he is busy worrying about everyone else's mental health and not his own, to his surprise this is not the case. There is resolution all around him, between his mother and Ian, Ian and Alex, and him and his mother...however, Sam is the one who remains mentally tormented and unresolved. There is more to be said about this, but that's just what I am thinking after reading all the postings.

Cheers!

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by drksydeotm: "When Sarah tells Sam that she can't control her heart... he looks to his mother and realizes that that's been her philosophy about life. I think at this point Sam comes to an understanding about his mother, Alex and humans in general. We all make mistakes. It doesn't make us bad people, it makes us people. I think he's coming to terms with this. His entire life was spent trying to be the polar opposite of his mother and the type of people she had exposed him to while he was growing up. So much so that he never took the time to realize that you can let your heart guide you at certain times no matter what path you walk in life."

This was my understanding of the ending, I couldn't have said it better. He realizes that, although he had a rather unorthodox childhood, his mother loves him no matter how he may feel about her. He can choose to accept the carefree lifestyle she lives, or keep fighting to be her polar opposite the rest of his life, but what good would that do? Probably just give him an ulcer. His sinking into the pool reminded me of the story of Sapphos telling the young lovers in greek mythology to jump off a certain cliff in order to forget about each other and get on with their lives. I like to think Bale's character does the same thing; kind of forget not only about what may or may not have been going on between Alex, his mom, and Ian, but also to wash away some of his guilt over Sara, his conservative idealism, and to simply become more free like these people who are so much a part of his life - and who he really does love.

I thought it was a beautiful movie with a beautiful ending.

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Sam stays with Alex (who does not turn to women) and understands he has to let go (remote control boat). Then he decides to start looking at things from a different perspective (going underwater).

At least, that's how I see it.

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I believe the persistant theme is how Sam loaths the whole "scene" of scandalous vice portrayed by his mother, and how after crafting a life revolving around the wish to escape it, he's finally comming to terms of the impossibility of it all. Perhaps loathing one's parents might constitute highly valuable evolutionary trait, the wish to do better and to be a better parents is surely a valuable neurosis. So the son of a high prietess of vice moved the new england, found a sensual women of science, and will soon mary into a puritan family, looking through that kaleidoscope we can assume Alex will always be susceptable of being seduced by the "scene", and after Sara's tactical indecent proposal rooted in vice, she will continue her ongoing assault in a more virtuous manner.

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I like to think Sam is just clearing his head before he cuts off Sara, begins accepting his mother for all she is and Alex for all she will become (which is, of course, more like his mother). He'll need a clear head to deal with all the complicated women in his life. He and Alex affirmed or re-affirmed their commitment by yelling at each other for the first time after the Chateau Marmont confrontation. Previously, they had polite conversation. Sam also has a connection or re-connection with his mother by the pool. I loved that he held her toes. Kind of a hug - just the dyfunctional kind you would expect from them. Then their real lives interupt - the unplanned stuff - Sara's call and then Ian floating by with the boat symbolically cut him from his mother again. But, this time, he will be OK with it.
I like how this movie has so much about the other characters, but really seems to be about Sam, the women in his life and how things suddenly go un-planned.
The best parts about movies like this are the unanswered questions or the 'unplanned' bits. Just cries for a sequel, huh?

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It cries for a novel, not a sequel. It's seems so new, so Californian.

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