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Movie's structure and implausibility


It occurred to me that after seeing this film, I thought this film has one of the strangest, implausible story structures I've ever seen.

1) First we see Henry Kray (Matt Newton, who looks like Emile Hirsch) being interviewed by a reporter as a way for him to reflect on his life and his father's re-election campaign being affected by Henry's admittance to being gay. Then we see Henry at a home in Los Angeles apparently enjoying seclusion away from his family when his square, religious brother knocks and begs him to come home. Then we see Henry apparently attending college somewhere in the East Coast in a much smaller room. Nowhere in this movie does it ever explain how Henry got from being in his own house to going to college or from going to college to having his own house.

2) Then Henry's brother Skip, really isn't his brother after all. We then see he's this Young Republicans President introducing Henry's Senator father, Jack and his mother, Eunice. I could be absolutely CRAZY but when I saw Poster Boy, I did see Henry and Skip as brothers when Henry was in his own house and then Henry getting Skip loosened up by going bar hopping and meeting the ladies.

3) Apparently U.S. Senator Jack Fray (a Republican from New York) is ultra conservative and happens to be the U.S. Senate Majority Leader. Well, in New York, the chances that a right-wing Republican could be a U.S. Senator, especially in the last five or so years, could be difficult considering the demographics. Several rural parts of New York can be more conservative than Brooklyn, Queens or NYC but they don't compare to states like Georgia, Alabama, Idaho or Utah. It would take a miracle or a "Macaca" incident like George Allen faced in 2006 to get Jack Fray elected into the U.S. Senate. State Senate, possibly. The majority of the demographic in New York is liberal and moderate so there could be greater chances Mr. Fray could be a Senator if he were from say, North Dakota. I would imagine if Jack Fray were running in New York, he would have to pander severely to moderates and independents if he were to ever get elected. Then again, this is a "movie" so I guess you could just as easily have an ultra conservative Mayor of San Francisco if you didn't want to be realistic enough.

4) How on Earth is the anti-Jack Fray activist group so small? I would presume that considering when the film was made and released, the group would have at least 20 or more members. Isn't New York a blue state?

5) Anthony (Jack Noseworthy) seems to be a guy who comes out of nowhere and his issues with being a production assistant and his roommate apparently not being the nicest person in the bookstore seem to be in another movie. If Anthony and his roommate were introduced right when they went to that college party and Anthony kissed Ben Fray, that would have been better story structure.

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It occurred to me that after seeing this review you are looking to hard for structure in an "Indie" film.

1) There are quite a few misplaced flashbacks. He was hiding from his parents before the semester official started. His Dad made it clear by slapping him around that when school started he would be the guest speaker and wanted his son to lead his introduction. That was not his brother, he was the guy partying in the photo with their son. They used him to try and convince him to come home because he went to the same school and knew their son. When school starts he is back at his dorm, the small room. Is it really that important to watch Henry be driven from place to place?

2) Again they never said Skip was his brother. They were friends at one time, that's all Henry took him out to annoy him then felt sorry for him and hired a stripper.

3) I totally agree, but again this is fiction not a biography or documentary. The whole point was to show Jack as the ass he really was.

4) The anti-Jack Fray activist group wasn't small. They showed the leaders of the group brainstorming when Anthony walks in. When the kiss occurred there were a lot more extras rolling in with picket signs. Again this is not a big budget Sony film. No offense but you need to use your imagination a little.

5) Anthony's (Super Hot - Jack Noseworthy) issues were identified early in the film as well as Izzie's. Anthony was clearly co-dependent (he needs people to need him). Izzie was depress because her boyfriend died after passing on HIV, wouldn't you be pissed at the world? Yes they were part of a subplot that tied into the main story. When they met was important to show they bond they had when they had the big fight in the drug store. If they just met there would have been no fight and Izzie would not have blindly walked into the limo.

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What is an "indie" film anyway? Low-budget? Profound? Too artsy?

I'm sorry but a film like this has to have clarity. It's not like you're watching "There Will Be Blood" where most of the time you see focus on a character in every single scene. There are a few chain of events happening in "Poster Boy." I don't care whether a film is indie or financed in Hollywood. I care whether it's a quality film. Just as much independent film is crap as is Hollywood these days.

1) How on Earth did Jack get that home in California then all of a sudden get to a dorm in college? If he was trying to hide from his family, then how did he get the money to own his own house? How the hell did his family find him?

2) I'll have to see the film again regarding Skip.

3) I'm not asking for a biography or documentary. I just want a film to make a bit more sense sometimes. Even films like the surreal ones by Luis Bunuel I can figure out better than Poster Boy. If the whole point was to show how much of an ass Jack Fray was, then why wasn't the film about Jack Fray? We get too many scenes of Henry and too little of Jack Fray.

4) The anti-Fray activist group was small. In the early scenes with Anthony and the other activists, I didn't see them in large numbers. What's large to you? 10? 20? Large to me is over 50. I'm sorry but these filmmakers must be on another world if they think a right-wing Republican could be elected in New York with the current state of politics, not to mention being Senate Majority Leader. Mr. Fray must have been pretty damn smart to have been elected in the state of New York in the first place but in the film, he appears to be ego-minded and rather ignorant. I would think an anti-Fray activist group could consist of just about the entire Democratic base in New York. It doesn't take an expert to know just how liberal NYC is.

5) I see what you mean about Anthony and Izzie's scenes. However, most of the time they had nothing to do with the story and didn't seem to lead up to the rest of the film. Only when Anthony and Izzie went to the same party at Henry's college did everything come together. I felt the many chain of events in "Poster Boy" overwhelmed the development.

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The home in California belongs to US Senator Kray, not Henry. It's a vacation home for the family and Henry has the key and goes there to be away from his father.

Senator Jack Kray is not from New York state. He's from a Southern state where tobacco is one of its industries. In one scene, the Senator's wife picks up a cigarette and mentions that it financed one of his past campaigns.

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He's a senator from NC to be exact... one scene talks about him being the "monster senator from North Carolina" or something to that effect...

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1. That's interesting seeing as I never once saw skip as being a brother. I always knew He was college Republican guy cause that's where you first see him

3. No you've got it all wrong he's a senator from North Carolina!! Hardly what I'd call a liberal state. He just happened to be giving a speech in NY. Didn't you catch the southern accent the wife of the Senator had?


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Senator Kray was modeled on Jesse Helms, a very long term senator from (south? i think) carolina.

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