did you see the new Joker in The Dark Knight preview? which I think looks bad ass, but from what I saw from the preview, Joker almost acts like kakihara, it seems like Joker wants Batman to kill him just like kakihara wanted Ichi to kill him. and both there face-es are all messed up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECQV2DrEKU
...no. I first heard about cuts like that, they were called a "glasgow grin." Used many times before 2001, Miike didnt think it up, it isnt a ripoff. Though i dont think the joker intends to take a punch the same way Kakihara does.
By the same account, a lot of posters get so angry everytime "america" remakes their movies, but then they go out and find an obscure detail and call it a ripoff. Just as annoying :P
My My My, How the time does fly when you know you're gonna die by the end of the night.
Mad Frankie Fraser and the rest of the Kray mob (you know the whole east end gangster thing) they used to call it the Chelsea Smile. Although that's West London so i don't know how the name came about.
shareKakihara would have looked much better if - as well as having a Chelsea Smile - he'd had a Croydon Facelift.
shareCan be called both, I know Wikipedia lists it as a Glasgow Grin.
Just mentioning the Krays, reminds me that, that was a pretty good movie.
(I know they were real, hehe, just incaser you think I'm one of these people who doesn't know much about what is outside the movie).
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I definately saw a bit of Kakihara in Ledgers Joker.
shareI thought the way they were was pretty similar. The way they kinda seem quite cowardly, moreso the joker there, but i felt there was something sarcastically calm about the two.
The joker was as pain-loving as kakihara. Even at the end, when they are on that building, and the joker is holding two pipes, made be think of kakihara holding two needle things.
Both kick ass. Imagine those two as a team!!! :O
As a matter of fact, I'm there right now.
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On the Dark Knight board, everything gets buried under loads of spam :(
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Actually i think Nolan must have been inspired by this movie's character for his version of The Joker and i must say they are similar and even has the sharp-skate like Ichi had on his shoe.
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Definitely
Elvira mistress of the dark is the coolest woman ever.
"The Dark Knight rip offed Ichi?...kinda"
You do realize the jokers character was around looong before Ichi was even thought up..... Right?
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I think the scars on the Joker's face in TDK are more of a tribute to the character Gwynplaine from Victor Hugo's The Man Who Laughs, as Gwynplaine is the primary character that inspired the Joker's creation.
Okay. Now I'm going to do his teeth and cut off his fingers. You might want to leave room.
Probably true. Nolan also stole that monorail scene in BB from the Cowboy Bebop movie.
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I have been saying this every damn time someone has bitched about The Joker's permanent smile.
THE MAN WHO LAUGHS
by: Victor Hugo
...kudos to you.
1. The Joker's image was lifted directly from a 1920s film adaption of The Man Who Laughs where his smile was constant and exaggerated. This had been stated by the original creator or creators (can't f'in remember ALL the specifics) of The Joker.
2. There was an eventual storyline featuring The Joker called The Man Who Laughs, which also featured, I believe, a company or corporation called Gwynplaine.
3. In the original text, the boy (Gwynplaine) has a smile permanently carved, CARVED into his face.
There ARE some slight parallels that can be drawn between the relationships of Ichi/Kakihara and Batman/Joker...even though the characters themselves are more or less completely different.
Batman is not sadistic to the point of murder. Ichi is (although conflicted about it). Batman witnessed the murder of his parents as a child. Ichi killed his parents as a child. Batman is a self motivated vigilante. Ichi is a brainwashed weapon.
The Joker seems to share more similarities with Kakihara though, or rather, Kakihara shares more similarities to The Joker. But they are still different in character. The Joker is absolute chaos and ambiguity. Kakihara is obsessed with anyone who can deliver unapologetic pain upon him. So yeah....there is that Yin/Yang quality between these men, and the men they obsess over.
Not knowing the manga author's influences, I could see the possibility that the Ichi manga could be a perverted reinterpretation of Batman....but that's a stretch.
Why does there have to be a Dark Knight thread on every board in the whole database?
Also... interesting point.
I AM NOT MONTEL WILLIAMS.
http://www.moviecritic.com.au/images/ichi-the-killer-kakihara1.jpg - ICHI
http://www.batman-movie-buzz.com/wp-content/uploads/batman/large_The%20Dark%20Knight%20Joker%20Poster-ul20rsw8.jpg - JOKER
You be the judge.
A little tenuous but I feel a point that warrants a mention. Did anyone else think the two masked guys (who visit the tortured dude in hospital and almost decapitate him) wore masks similar to the clowns in the opening scene in the Dark Knight?
I could not help but think of TDK whilst watching Ichi. This film makes TDK seem lazy, lame and uninspired by comparison. Even the shortness of TDK scenes (a huge flaw for that film, I felt) was stolen from Ichi. In the case of Ichi, the shortness of the scenes fits the movie and gives it a sharp, clipped feeling that suits the story. The Dark Knight just feels butchered and ends a scene just as it begins to pick up pace.
There's a few other things whilst watching Ichi that reminded me of TDK, but at the moment they escape me. I did come away feeling Nolan wasn't quite as groundbreaking as I thought him to be. I can imagine Hollywood watching films such as Ichi and stealing a load of ideas and not really acknowledging the direct influences.
*Oh, I remembered. The 'villian' in each movie enjoys or laughs as they are thrown or fall from a rooftop having been thrown by their enemy.*
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This time I think it's justified since the Joker in TDK reminds so much of Kakihara. Now I don't find this to be a bad thing and while there are many similarities there are also differences.
For once the Joker is so obsessed with all his "must prove a point" and "everyone's just as bad as me", while Kakihara don't really give a *beep* about anything. He really is all about self pleasure (by torture give and take) and the Joker seems more into beeing in the spotlight. This is one of the reasons Kakihara is a more convincing sociopath.
Yet I like both characters, together they're quite unique in their own field.
even if you forget about the cuts in the mouth, ledgers joker is nearly exactly kakihara!
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Christopher Nolan was very much inspired by the Kakihara character, it's so oblivious. As Vinushku mentioned above with the similarities are so on point. All I could think of while watching Ichi the Killer was how the much the Dark Knight took from it. The same can be said about Inception stealing from The Matrix, but I won't go into that. 9/10
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The same can be said about Inception stealing from The Matrix
Kakihara's a Joker-esque baddie to a certain extent anyway, he's aesthetically colourful and pretty maniacal when giving/recieving pain, although there is an incredible calmness to Kakihara that would never be seen in the Joker.
I think it could be a coincidence on both sides of the coin but if Nolan was influenced by Miike that just makes me like him more.
Kakihara is easily the coolest movie villan of all time btw... Just felt like mentioning it.