Revelations 2030?

Actually, even from a non-Christian standpoint, it's absolutely accurate that the Old Testament was written before the Christian religion began in roughly 1st century AD. Judaism is one of the oldest faiths on the planet. That's a true and simple fact.

However, the Bible is also proven wrong many times over.

Myth: There was a world-wide flood.
Fact: The flood, for all indications, was limited to the Dead Sea region. FYI - there is no evidence of a flood in North America.

Myth: There is a historical record of Jesus.
Fact: Aside from the Bible, there is not one writing supporting that Jesus walked the earth. The Jewish people were nearly anal in their historical writings of the time, and yet none of the great historians of this era say anything about a Jesus of Nazareth. Or any Jesus, for that matter. Isn't that just a tiny bit odd, considering how many people either followed him or wanted him dead?

Myth: Lots of Biblical prophecies have been fulfilled.
Fact: So have the ones predicted by Nostradamus, if you count fulfilling them by taking the writings and assigning them to past events that best match.

Misconception: The Old Testament prophecies are proven true by the new testament.
Reality: Well, this is just plain absurd. I can find an old book that claims a lot of things, then write a book to be used a hundred years later claiming all sorts of things happened.

Point: The Gospels don't agree on much regarding Jesus's life. Like when the wise men came (or if they came at all).

Thoughts?

There IS non-biblical historical records of Jesus as well as Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled.

Refer back to statements (above) on May 25th by MajesticSunrize.

Refer to other message board titled: "Re: Comments from Sunshine in Ireland".

Ok, I've already made my case against Titus. Also, he's the only person from the Roman Empire that lists Jesus. The real historians make no mention of him, probably because Titus was copying what he was reading in the Gospels.

BTW, those "prophecies" are in the Old Testament. Well, as we know that there was an Israel during the NT, MajesticSunrize's statement of it pertaining to 20th century events is just plain wrong. Best case scenario, it was right about 2 thousand years ago, before Israel was scattered to the 4 winds again. Worst case scenario, it was written after Israel got back together, then added in as a "found work".

So, the prophecy, if fulfilled, was fulfilled in times long past. Not 1948. Besides, for a defeated people to write into their religion the hope of having their country back is hardly unique, and not so much a prophecy as a statement of desire. I mean, geez, if the South were to "Rise Again", would you declare all the people owning posters that say that as prophets?

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Preach it on the mountain, brother.

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Hi,
I was just wanting to ask you a few questions, I know this is off of the original subject of the movie, but why did you put the pronoun Jesus in your call name? I was just curious.

Also one more question if you don't mind...I was trying to find what it is you truly believe, but you mentioned so many things when you responded to all of those replies...what is it that you believe to be the truth? Or maybe you are not sure except that you don't believe in God or Jesus or whatever? I am interested in what you have to say.

"...and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this"

This isnt intended to change anyone's beliefs,only the set-apart spirit can do that,all I can do is offer what I know to be truth.

To start with zombiejesus seems to think the new world order is a myth.Well,turn over a dollar bill and read ' Novus Ordo Seclorum ' This is Latin for ' announcing the birth of a new secular ( humanistic ) order 'This phrase was'nt thought up for our currency to have a fancy slogan,it had been around for a long time,passed through thousands of years by the members of secret societies that people group under the heading of the illuminatti ( illumined or enlightened ones ).The creation of the European Union is a major step in the revitalization of the roman empire which will be the seat of power of the NWO

No zombie.I am not a christian,and I agree with you to a certain extant that it is a manmade religion.However the Scriptures both old and new,are the inspired word of the creator of all things.Please dont take this as an attack against christianity or any of its denominations.Do some homework on the Council of Nicea 325 C.E.This is when emperor Constantine,yes,he is in the history books,created catholicism.Catholicism means universalism and is a blending of all then-known forms of pagan worship with the original faith as practiced by the apostles in the first century.Constantine was a pagan sun-worshipper.He twisted the meanings of the events told in Scripture to fit his pagan worship,thus creating modern christianity.Martin Luther had the right idea to reform the catholic church,but he left many issues untouched and even today the protestant churches practice many doctrines that the catholic church created.I urge all christians who read this too do a search on the Hebrew roots of the christian faith.There are many books that explain what is wrong with the christian church today.Fossilized Customs by Lew White is very thourough.There is a website of the same name.For anyone who thinks that this is new-age psycho-babble read the Two Babylons,it has much the same information although its harder to read being over 100 years old.Do a search on christmas/saturnalia or easter/ishtar to find out why these 2 christian holidays have their origins in pagan worship and are to be found nowhere in the scriptures.

Revelations says that those who have understanding will reckon the number of the beast,666.Find out that on the pope's funny pointed hat,the Latin words ' vicarious dei fillei ' mean vicar of christ.In english,vicar means replacement,catholics believe a mortal man elected pope has the authority of the saviour.In Greek the word vicar means anti.The numerical value of the letters of those Latin words is 666.Hows this for a prophecy?Very soon,the pope(not the current one,but almost surely the next)will proclaim the world that he is jesus christ.He will perform many false miracle,deceiving almost the entire planet.The head of the jesuit order ( currently Peters Hans Kolvenbach )will likely be his right hand man,always appearing when these false miracles take place.

Now for the biggie.The letter J is only 500 or so years old.So how can the name of the saviour be jesus.There is no record of a man named jesus because no such man ever lived.jesus is a false Greek translation of the saviour given Hebrew name Yeshua.Any one claiming to be jesus is clearly a deceiver since the MessiYah at the 2nd Coming will not be coming under anything but His true given Hebrew name.God and lord are titles not names,anyone interested in learning the Father's true name can find it in most bibles prefaces or do a search on the tetragrammaton.

Please respond in a constructive manner,I'll discuss but won't argue or debate.I know this is hard to haer but remember the scriptures say, Beware of the lying pens of the scribes.This is because the many translations have distorted the actual meaning of the scriptures which can only be fully understood by reading the divinely inspired Hebrew.And contrary to popular belief the new testament was Hebrew before being translated to Greek.Also remeber that the scriptures say,'you have inherited lies from your fathers'This is because most people wil believe what they are taught which is likely to be what they learned from their elders who only learned wht they were taught.You must be like the Bereans who every dat searched the scriptures for themselves to see if what they were being taught was true.

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Mind if I cut in?

I have some questions about Christianity.

Number 1, why would a loving, caring God create a Hell? This is a kicker to me. "I love you, but because you didn't love me, BURN, sucker, BURN!" Couple this with the idea that He has gone out of his way to make sure there's no evidence of his existence, and he's punishing those with intellect, those who question. A loving god wouldn't punish people out of spite, which is exactly what this is.

Number 2, why is God bipolar? Seriously, he switches his stance on violence, war, marriage, etc all the time.

Number 3, why do you believe Revelations, when you only believe what was written pre-Roman times? Revelations was written by a man named John in the 3rd century AD. It was basically written as a "become Christian, because if you don't, you're gonna suffer". And 666 is also numerology for Ceasar, an emperor that was condeming Christians. Revelations was not written originally in Hebrew.

Number 4, why would God create a massive universe for a tiny planet filled with people he has a love/hate relationship with?

There may or may not be a God, but I seriously doubt that if He loves us, that he created a Hell for us. That's not the act of a loving being, it's the act of a sadist. I do believe there is something, more just because I want to than anything else. But Christianity? Nah.

You say there is no proof that God is real or that Jesus ever existed. There have been many comments on this subject here including some of my own.

I can't prove to you by the ways of man that God and Jesus exist, but I submit this to you...

You can't see the wind and yet it's there. You can't tell where the wind originates but you can feel it blow. Here's the best way I know of to explain it and it comes in the words of one of Bill and Gloria Gaither's songs, titled "Go Ask"...

"Don't ask me how to prove to you why I know God is there,
And how I know that He would care for you.
Don't ask me why someone so great would choose to walk with me,
And trade my broken life for one that's new.

Don't ask me to explain for you how one could start again,
How hardened hearts could soften like a child.
And don't ask me how to reason out the mysteries of life,
Or how to face its problems with a smile.

Go ask the child whose got a Dad to love away the hurt he had,
Before this man called Jesus touched their lives.
Go ask the one whose fears have fled whose churning heart was quieted,
When someone whispered peace to all her strife.
Go ask the man to tell you more whose life was just a raging war,
inside himself,until the Savior came.
I don't pretend to be so wise, I only know He touched my eyes,
And nothing else will ever be the same."

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Actually, if there's smoke, you can see the wind.

AND, I can tell you where wind originates.

Also, wind can be measured, studied, cataloged. We know it exists.

We also know other things we can't see exist. Like black holes.

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