Plot holes


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Ok I think I'm confused or this was just an incredibly stupid movie. Here are some of the plot holes I found:

1. The part where the mistress first meets the handyman when he comes to fix the broken water tap. I assume this happens after the murder of the wife and this is just a set up to find someone who is willing to kidnap the mistress (posing as the wife). Am I right? If so, this really stinks coz I can drive a truck thru that plot hole. Hmmm, let me see, where can we find a kidnapper? Oh, lets call the plumber! And if this scene happans before the wife gets killed and was not a eet up to find a kidnapper, that wouldn't make sense either coz the mistress would be using her real name and in own apartment (#303).

2. When the kidnapper got the money from the sister of the husband did he do that on his own or was it planned? And wouldn't the sister want the money back from her brother anyway?

3. How did the cops know where they were at the end?

4. So what if she was carrying a knife. Doesn't mean she was going to double cross him. And committing suicide was rather drastic considering she was only an accomplice to murder and it could be argued that it was in self defense. Not realistic at all.

I liked the mood of the movie and the acting wasn't bad but that script needs to be cleaned up.

"Let your soul rise to eternity with your last breath. Do not waste it on me."

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"Hmmm, let me see, where can we find a kidnapper? Oh, lets call the plumber! "

They HAD to call a plumber. They didn't want a real kidnapper, because it wasn't a real kidnapping. They needed a regular nice guy, who thought he was helping out this lonely housewife, because they needed a stooge they could pin the wife's murder on. A real kidnapper probably would have been able to figure out what was really going on, or at the very least, figure out that she was hiding something from him. They needed someone who had never done anything like this before.

"And if this scene happans before the wife gets killed and was not a eet up to find a kidnapper, that wouldn't make sense either coz the mistress would be using her real name and in own apartment "

No, it happened after the wife got killed, so she was not using her real name. She was posing as the wife.

"When the kidnapper got the money from the sister of the husband did he do that on his own or was it planned?"

He seems to have done it on his own.

"And wouldn't the sister want the money back from her brother anyway?"

No...he never had it. And she wasn't a character that was followed very closely, so maybe she asked him about it. In every movie, there are always going to be people you never see again. Some characters are more important than others.

"How did the cops know where they were at the end?"

I assumed that the husband had called the cops, and they had been trailing them all night.

"So what if she was carrying a knife. Doesn't mean she was going to double cross him."

True, it doesn't mean that she was going to double cross him. It doesn't prove it, anyway. But she had intended to, and she KNEW it. She cared about him, and she felt guilty, and that was why she started crying.

"And committing suicide was rather drastic considering she was only an accomplice to murder and it could be argued that it was in self defense. Not realistic at all"

She didn't commit suicide because she thought she was going to jail. She committed suicide because her affair with the husband had ended in the accidental death of his wife, as well as destroying her modeling career, since he was a client. She had fallen in love with the "kidnapper," and after all the trouble she had gone through with the husband, she knew she wouldn't be able to be with him. She was hoping for the two of them to die together, which is why she takes his hand and runs with him. But when he stops, she continues and dies alone.

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2.-4. was explained quite well by celia_cyanide so I'm gonna take care of 1. ^^

1. The scene where the mistress and handyman met first time was of course BEFORE the murder, quite before everything. She knew that the wife asked the handyman to kidnapp her because she dreamed about it. So after the wife was killed she play along acting that she is Saori (the wife). She went to handyman to be kidnapped. In that scene she's not asking him but behave like all this was talked out before (but not with her, with the real wife). And theirs first meeting was so long ago (probably couple of years?) that they don't remember each other. Only the handyman remember her a little bit (probably because of her beautiful smile ^^) and ask her in his house are they met before: "I hadn't noticed yesterday (because yesterday he met the real wife), but haven't we met before?".

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you are correct! I just watched it again recently, and I missed some of that. The mistress was in her real apartment using her real name when the handyman first met her. Indeed, the "kidnapper" didn't realize right away that the mistress was posing as the wife because she was dressed very differently, and wearing different makeup. and yes, when they met the first time, it was probably a long time ago.

"Only the handyman remember her a little bit (probably because of her beautiful smile ^^) and ask her in his house are they met before: "I hadn't noticed yesterday (because yesterday he met the real wife), but haven't we met before?"."

This not actually true. The handyman NEVER met the real wife. If you see the flashback scene, it is in fact, the mistress the entire time.

As for the cops, I noticed the second time around that the cop car drove slowly by them, and the mistress ran away, thinking they had caught her, but the car actually kept going after she left. So in fact, the cops DID NOT know where they were, it was just a random cop car driving by.

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"This not actually true. The handyman NEVER met the real wife. If you see the flashback scene, it is in fact, the mistress the entire time."

I guess one time seeing it it's not enought. You're right. So moment after they killed the wife Saori dreamed up all this... to call some handyman and... a little bit unrealistic :/

And the cop car... I noticed that the car kept going but its horn (light signal above roof ^^;) was on. I guess it was done to mislead the viewer.

So once it's unrealistic, once unlogical... :/ or am I wrong? Please tell me that I'm wrong ^^.

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"I guess one time seeing it it's not enought. You're right. So moment after they killed the wife Saori dreamed up all this... to call some handyman and... a little bit unrealistic :/ "

I don't know if I would say it's unrealistic...most people have never been in a situation in which they accidently killed someone and/or killed in self defense and had to get rid of a body. So it's quite hard to say what the "realistic" way would be to react. Usually, if a death is genuinely an accident, or self defense, the "killer" is off the hook. But since this happened when the husband was caught with his mistress, it would look highly suspect and be hard to prove. So they had to come up with a plan to cover up the fact that the wife had discovered them together.

Actually, I think that although it was very involved, it really wasn't that far fetched. Saori was very intelligent and creative, and could think on her feet, and came up with a pretty air-tight, if bizarre, plan. When you say it like that, "Ok, let's call some handyman, and pretend I'm your wife, and I want to fake my own kidnapping!" it does sound silly. But she probably said to herself something more like this: "We need to get rid of this body. What we need to do is make someone else believe they are responsible, and force them to get rid of it, so that people never know she was here." This plan worked for a few reasons 1) it got rid of the body, 2) it publicly established a reason why the woman was missing in the first place, and 3) it placed the (cheating) husband with his wife before her disappearance, which made him look less guilty. It is truly a strange idea, but as Saori said, "we gamble," and if it hadn't worked, they wouldn't look any more guilty than they already did.

And the fact is, the movie ended, and no one but the handyman ever knew exactly what happened. So if someone had actually done this before, we wouldn't know about it.

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"I guess one time seeing it it's not enought. You're right. So moment after they killed the wife Saori dreamed up all this... to call some handyman and... a little bit unrealistic :/"

Why is that unrealistic. You can imagine the conversation really easily where they dream up the kidnapping, so as to cover the death, and then try to think of the right Fall-guy. THEN she remembers the handyman. Better than trying to remember someone she has never met isn't it ;P

"And the cop car... I noticed that the car kept going but its horn (light signal above roof ^^;) was on. I guess it was done to mislead the viewer.
So once it's unrealistic, once unlogical... :/ or am I wrong? Please tell me that I'm wrong ^^."

Is the Cop car thing illogical? Why do you think so. A car stopped on a country road ... passing cop car ... checks it out ... and who's to say that they don't double back the moment they see a girl run from the car into the forest, chased by a man.

Japanese films are all about seeing things in context, and connecting the dots yourself. The put you in a world, and just like in your own life, you have no idea why "that guy" gave you a dirty look at the supermarket .. but you just assume he had a bad day. Same with films such as these. There is a whole world happening around the characters.

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"Is the Cop car thing illogical? Why do you think so. A car stopped on a country road ... passing cop car ... checks it out ... and who's to say that they don't double back the moment they see a girl run from the car into the forest, chased by a man."

Cops are ridin' with the horn on. Conclusion: they are going in response to a call or chasing someone, but they are in haste for sure (they are showing this to other drivers by the horn). And even if they see smt suspicious they can't just stop what are they doing and check some girl going to wood. They can report this thing by the radio.

Maybe im supersensitive at those things but I'm writing screenplay by myself and I'm trying to avoid missleading the viewer by things that he couldn't explain to himself after gathering all the facts. (sorry for grama but i'm in rush)

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to explain the police car bit - it's common practice for police cars in japan (especially in rural areas) to routinely drive around with their lights flashing regardless of whether they're responding to a call or not - don't know why, maybe it just lets people know they're about - it's great if you're speeding as you can see them a long way off.

so in the film, it was basically a passing police car, totally unaware of who the couple were.

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Thanks for clearing up some of the plot holes but I'm not quite sure what you mean she "dreamt" of the wife asking the handyman to kidnap her. Is she a psychic? I guess I need to watch this movie over coz I seem to have missed a lot.

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Actually I was wrong back then, about dreaming this up by her.

I could swear that i heard she saying it... but when I play this scene again it wasn't there... ^^'

But becouse of that misunderstanding I created a quite different theory (of course wrong). The real wife thinks her husband is cheating on her, so she came up with this kidnap thing. But that night she cought her husband and got killed. The mistress is some psychic or smt and dream about meeting of wife and handyman. Besides the psychic thing is a little bit chaesy the rest is quite matching. When handyman said to mistress when she came to him: "I hadn't noticed yesterday, but haven't we met before?" it's sounded like this have to mean smt. I thought it's mean that she met another woman day before. There is a scene when handyman is comming to some apartment to fix smt, this is the apartment of the mistress, but that happend long time ago. So that's why he noticed the resemblance only the next day, when she met mistress not the wife.

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I have no idea what are you writing about but your theory sounds all right. Anyway, i'm a bit fed up with movie characters dreaming things up.

ps.If you had to compare the quality of this plot/story to the "Em See's" plot/story which one would you think is better?

RYSZARD

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If i had to compare... I think that "Em See" should be titled "Chaos" instead.

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The handyman NEVER meets the wife!!

OK this is what happens in chronological order....

HUGE SPOILER ALERT!!!!


1) Years ago, mistress calls a plumber, and remembers him.

2) Fast forward some years, mistress having affair with the businessman. Businessman's wife finds out and goes to the flat to kill her husband. But husband defends himself and ends up killing her (it's not self defence though because it's too heavy handed. During the attack he cuts his hand.

3) Mistress arrives, and discovers scene. Bandages his hand. He is going to turn himself in, but mistress says this is far too dangerous and they can get away with it. She hatches the plan. They hide the body somewhere temporary (probably flat 302, next door to 303 which we see later).

4) She decides to call the handyman she'd met all those years before. She meets him and tells him that she wants to be kidnapped (she pretends to be the wife of course). She pretends that her "husband" knows nothing of it.

5) They plan it together. Don't forget the dead wife is still in the flat. They go to the restaurant (for the alibi) and pretends to be kidnapped. She gets changed into schoolgirl clothes so as not to be recognised by neighbours and runs to handyman's house. He then thinks he recognises her (as she looks younger) but doesn't tweak that it's the woman whose flat she went to all those years ago.

6) Businessman goes to office, makes a point of asking receptionist if his wife rang, etc. Meanwhile, "mistress" (pretending to be the wife of course) takes handyman to her own flat (models get given the use of the flats) pretending it's her friend's flat (or was it her "sister"?) and she has the keys to feed the fish. He ties her up, she gets turned on by the idea. Possibly.

7) Handyman calls husband (who is of course expecting the call!) and the husband calls the police. Because they need it to look genuine!

8) Police now with husband. Awaiting a further phonecall.

9) It arrives... he asks to meet husband in a park. But while he's on a bench he is reading something about the police being involved (THE ONLY PLOT HOLE, WHAT WAS THAT) and also instructions on calling husband's sister, with name of their child. He calls from his cellphone and arranges to meet her on a platform, he steals the 5 million yen and goes back to the flat in his van.

10) Meanwhile "mistress" has slipped out and had a shower and a bit of legover with the husband in a hotel room. She doesn't have to worry about the instructions about not showering of course, because she's not going to really pretend she was kidnapped. She's going to pretend to be dead.

11) They then go to flat 302, bring real dead wife into flat 303, tie her up, and leave door unlocked. And hide in flat 302 no doubt.

12) Handyman arrives at flat after stealing that money. Rings three times as meant. Goes up. Sees dead wife, thinks that someone has killed the "wife" he has tied up. In fact it's the real dead wife, the "mistress" is next door.

13) Using a voice vocoder thingy, she tells handyman to dispose of body or she'll call the police. It's a masculine voice.

14) Handyman disposes of body in the woods, doesn't look too closely at her face. They're similar anyway.

15) The couple think they've got away with it. That's how it would have ended had the handyman not decided to do some investigating. He pretends to be a policeman and gathers from the estate agent that flats 302 and 303 are owned by the modelling agency and given to the models. He learns that flat 303 where the fishtank is, is owned by someone else (not the name of the wife he thought he was dealing with). He goes to the agency, pretending to be working for a cosmetics company, and meets the girl, a model, who has the flat next-door to the "mistress" but who is never there because she has a boyfriend. It all starts fitting together.

16) Handyman sees "mistress" in the street while driving his son to his ex-wife's house, and knows that he's been duped. He drops off son, goes to the woods and discovers a body. When he sees the face he realises it was not the same person that he had initially tied up.

17) He sees a photo of the mistress on a poster dressed as a waitress. He hangs outside the modelling agency for a while, where the mistress is finishing a photoshoot. To be honest, this may have happened before 16, it's not important.

18) He follows her, and she realises she's in trouble. It's now the handyman's turn to get even. So he tells her to dress up as the wife again and meet the husband and extort 30 million from him. Mistress pretends that she has nothing to do with it. The instructions are to go to room 303 (where they've already hidden the dead "real" wife). They discuss this in a street; the police are tipped off (hence they are in the car and are surprised to see the husband and someone dressed like the real dead wife - husband doesn't understand why she's dressed like that... it's so the police follow, since they've been investigating her death. Clearly they have tipped the police off so that the husband is later caught.

19) Husband is prepared to hand over 30 million, but mistress says that they can double-bluff the handyman. Husband gives her a jackknife. The instructions are so that she can go next door via the balcony (this is of course so she doesn't bump into the police officers).

20) Husband told over phone to look inside bathroom, where he discovers the grizzly truth... the wife he killed, recently dug up. Police come in and arrest him.

21) The body hasn't decomposed, therefore it's only a matter of a few days since the original murder! Mistress/handman had tipped the cops off, who barge in just at the right moment. It's not too farfetched.

22) Mistress escapes from flat 302 while police in 303 arresting husband, and meets handyman in the van. They drive off.

23) When they wake up, handyman about to have sex with Mistress when he discovers knife. Whether or not she was going to use it is irrelevant (it was given to her by the husband after all). It doesn't matter. Probably not. Police car goes by but it drives past. It serves as a distraction, no more, and gives mistress a chance to escape from van while handyman's attention is on passing police car. She throws away knife (she probably wasn't going to use it). We assume there are 30 million yen in the back of the van. She runs through forest. He follows her.

24) There's a rock face in front so she has nowhere to hide. He persuades her to join forces with her, saying he doesn't want to kill her, he is also lonely.

25) She accepts as a joke, then cruelly runs off in another direction. But finds herself cut off by the cliff. She jumps it.

That is the only other poor point in the story for me. There's 30 million Yen in that car, she's a scheming little minx, she's surely going to go with the handyman for her share, seeing he's willing to take her back.

Anyway, there you go, that's what happens. I don't think I've made any major errors there - I'm sure you'll disagree with something though.

TRISTÁN

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No one's a psychic.

Here's the plot:

The man's real Wife, Saori, find out his husband has a mistress, the model Satomi, so she goes to his husband's Mistresses's place to kill her. There she finds Satomi as well as her husband. They struggle and the man ends up killing his wife. He wants to turn himself in, but Satomi, his mistress, comes up with a plan. She decides to call a Handyman she has met a long time ago, when he went to her apartment once to fix her pipes. She asks the Handyman to stage a kidnapping, and there she begins to refer to herself as Saori, the man's murdered wife. They begin staging the kidnapping, then when the Handyman comes back he sees the dead body and buries it. Now he thinks he's responsible for the death of Saori, so the man and his Mistress Satomi are no longer worried about someone finding out what they did. The Handyman later sees the woman he had supposedly kidnapped, and who was murdered, on the street, and begins to investigate in order to find out the truth behind all of it. This makes the whole story reveal itself.

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Probably no one will read this, but there was no scene where she "dreamt" the wife to ask the handyman to kidnap her. While she was pretending to be the wife she was telling him the plot of why she (the wife) wanted a fake kidnapping. I guess the writer thought she "dreamt" it because she talked in a dreamy kind of way, but I think she was, because she was trying to justify to herself why the it was all right to have the affair, that the wife was not attending to his needs, so she had to.

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