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I'm getting mad searching an explanation to the movie! Someone can help me? :(

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Ok, I could be completely wrong in this, but the way I remember it the husband killed his wife. He and his mistress devised a plan that would allow them to get rid of the body - by having her (the mistress) dress up as his wife and asking her (the mistress's) handyman to kidnap her (her as in the mistress pretending to be the wife). Ok. The handyman thought he was kidnapping Saori, the wife, because Saori's husband was having an affair and she wanted to test his loyalty. During the mock ransoming, the husband and the mistress put Saori (the real Saori) in the apartment, making the handyman think someone broke in and killed her. The man that called the handyman and told him to dispose of the body was the husband. So the handyman disposes of Saori in the woods, thinks he sees her (but he's really seeing hte mistress), blah blah blah. When he finally figures everything out, he confronts her and they come up with a plan to pin the murder on the husband (the real killer), get 30 million dollars from him, and live a life of peace together. ???? I'm confused about this part as well.

Overall, I thought this was a good movie, and I gave it a higher rating than any other Hideo Nakata movie (yes, including Ringu - gasp). Even though it was confusing, and even more so becuase it was edited to be out of order, it was well executed. The only problem, really, that I had, was that it was confusing. I don't need everything explained to me, but neither do I want to be confused after watching a movie. Who knows? I could be completely wrong in everything I inferred from the movie. That's my take, at least.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Yeah I think you're right but something still is not clear:
1. There are 2 women asking the handyman to be kidnapped, first (as the movie showed us) I think was the mistress and then the wife. But why???

2. You say that was the husband to make the telephone call to the handyman asking to get rid of the woman's body, but I think it was the mistress, in fact by the end of the movie there is a pursuit by the handyman trying to chase the mistress, when he caught her she tells that she called him saying to rid the wife's body.

Any clue?

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1: I think that, at the beginning of the movie, that was actually the mistress, not the wife. The wife had been dead by that point. Its my opinion that the wife was killed before the whole thing started, and that that is the reason for the kidnapping in the first place - to mask the murder of Saori. That's my take on it: the mistress told the handyman that she was the wife, but she was just lying (this is later shown in the movie). Remember, the movie isn't shown sequencially, it's all jumbled up.

2. I think she was lying when she told him that. For one, it was a very masculine voice. True, that could be doctored by a digital device, but I didn't look at it that way. I simply thought it was the husband. I could be wrong, though.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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The mistress clearly states it was her on the phone disguising her voice telling him to get rid of the body, at least that's what she says in the subtitles. I still don't get the two separate flashbacks where she's asking him to stage the kidnapping and why they take place in different locations with her dressed in different outfits. And what was the story behind him asking her husband's sister for ransom money for her son?...that made no sense and was never really touched on in the rest of the movie. Did the handyman do that for the fun of it? There were a lot of lose ends in this film.

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I love this film. I was a little bit unclear why at the beginin the guy had his hand bandaged when i thought he didnt kill his wife til later, it woz a little unclear for me but i wanna say thanx for clearin it up. Its a brilliant film and the last shot of the woman jumpin off the cliff and turnin around and smilin always sticks in my mind.

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The wife was killed before the story begins. This is apparent as the husband's hand is bandaged right from the opening sequence. He is having dinner with the mistress at the time.

Also, she actually does say that it was her voice on the phone (not just in the subtitles). (When she called to the apartment to claim responsibility for killing the 'wife'.) It was electronically altered, that's why it sounds more like a male's voice.

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Also something I thought I would mention, after the couple have dinner, Satomi/Saori, is looking closely at her hair, this proves she is Satomi, cos she has changed her hair and that is why she pays so much attention to it. I read somewhere else that Saori asks the handyman to kidnap her before she is killed, what do people think of that, maybe she did do that, and then maybe it was a coincidence that Satomi picks the handyman later. Someone said that Satomi is psychic and so chose the handyman cos Saori already had.

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30 million yen is roughly 300 grand us dollars

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Okay, this is what I got:

Komiyama (the husband) murdered Saori (the wife) because she tried to kill Satomi (the mistress). Satomi comes up with a plan. When she wears heavy make-up, she looks enough like Saori to pretend to be her. So, Satomi calls Kuroda (the handyman), pretending to be Saori, and asks him to kidnap her claiming it was to test her husband's love and loyalty to her. What Kuroda doesn't know is that it's just a trick. When he comes home one night, he finds a dead body of Saori (the real one) and Satomi calls him telling him to dispose of the body. He does so, and then a few weeks later when he's taking his son home, he sees Satomi in the street and mistakes her for Saori.

However, when he goes back to see if Saori had (risen from the grave) he goes back to where he dumped her and finds the body still there. After that, he starts to investigate and figures out that the woman he met was actually Satomi. He'd also met her a few years before the murder, when she'd called him about her broken tap. When he catches up to her, she tells him everything and the two of them make a deal.

She dresses up like Saori again and she and Komiyama both go back to Satomi's flat with the police and get a call from the handyman. He asks for 30 million yen and tells them that he wants "Saori" to bring it to him. Komiyama gives her a knife and she agrees that once he's off guard, she'll kill him. However, what Komiyama doesn't know is that Satomi and Kuroda have teamed up, and have out Saori's dead body in the bathtub so he'll get balmed for the murder now and swindled him for 30 million!

However, Kumoda finds the knife in Satomi's dress and realises she was planning to ill him, and then the police start coming as obviously Komiyama had told them that Satomi helped with the murder, which she did cause she held Saori's hand down instead of just taking the knife away. After running away to a cliff, Kumoda and Satomi are going to get caught, only Satomi has no intention of being caught, so she kills herself.

The end.

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It's that ending - her jumping - that for me is the least believable part of an otherwise brilliant film. It doesn't seem to me to be something she would do... she's so scheming, the handyman has 30 million yen in his car and appears willing to team up with her in spite of her about to kill him. The police car drove past (didn't stop) so there's no reason to assume that they are going to be caught just yet. It was all a bit ridiculous. I don't think she called the police (how? when would she have done that, with them both being in the van together, to tip them off that they were asleep on that road... and if so, why would she kill him? - no, the policecar was just a coincidence).

Very clever film. Damn confusing but it becomes clear in the end.

Indeed, it is her making the phone call (you can hear that the voice is electronically altered - she's using a gizmo).

Very clever film, I dread to think what the remake will be like.

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