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Phoenix only comes to help someone in the Dumbledore family


"According to legend, a phoenix will appear to anyone of the Dumbledore Family in dire need"

Yet it came to Harry in his greatest time of need. This was kind of brushed over in the film and the book, but is Harry actually related to Dumbledore by blood or marriage? Is that why the phoenix came to his aid? I feel like there's a strong possibility.

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Dumbledore explained it to Harry. "You must have shown me real loyalty down in the Chamber. Nothing but that could’ve called Fawkes to you."

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Yeah, but I don't buy it though. He said one nice thing about Dumbledore and that, that qualifies as real loyalty, worthy of Phoenix help? I just don't buy it. A phoenix that will otherwise only come to a Dumbledore? I'm sure loads of people have said nice stuff about Dumbledore. Surely those people aren't being saved by the phoenix, too.

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Whatever it is the bloody bird came and helped Harry. And forget whatever the book says.

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He saved Dumbledores life by risking his own.

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Dumbledore was never at risk, though. I've always thought that Harry, a pre-teen for the first two books, didn't actually need to stand up to Voldemort, but that Dumbledore stood aside and let him fight Voldemort on account of Voldemort killing his mother. Or are we really saying a 12-year-old was a more adequate choice to fight him than the "greatest wizard of the time" or whatever his title was?

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Loyalty is irrelevant to necessity. He may not have said or done much for Dumbledore, but the loyalty inside still exists. I'm not surprised that a magical being like the Phoenix could sense that

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That doesn't make sense to me. Loyalty is a sentiment backed up by actions. Without actions, the sentiment doesn't matter because a sense of loyalty can change easily.

Simply saying Dumbledore was a great wizard was a sentiment shared by many people, but most, if not all, of those people haven't received any phoenix help - in fact, many have died along the way.

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"A phoenix that will otherwise only come to a Dumbledore?"

I understand what you're saying, but your original quote did not say ONLY.

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I wrote this a year ago, so I couldn't tell ya what the original quote I listed was, but it doesn't matter. My point still stands. And it doesn't even matter if the phoenix will come to many others - only that it comes to aid Dumbledores and those loyal to him. Which makes me wonder how it never aided anyone else in the entirety of the series except Harry, despite Harry doing little to demonstrate his loyalty.

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I’m not arguing with you. Just trying to answer your original question: “is Harry actually related to Dumbledore by blood or marriage? Is that why the phoenix came to his aid?”

Your original quote is accurate, as least it’s the same quote as on wiki.

"According to legend, a phoenix will appear to anyone of the Dumbledore Family in dire need"

That quote doesn’t say that a phoenix will only appear to a Dumbledore., just that it will. You added the word only.

I thought your question was asking, why did Faux come to Harry if phoenixes only come to Dumbledores.

Just because Harry never tells us of an example of a phoenix coming to help anyone, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The books only cover 7 years and are, for the most part, limited to what Harry personally sees. Dumbledore was alive for a heck of a lot more than 7 years, and there’s an enormous world out there that Harry knows very little about.

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Fair enough. I clearly misused the word "only", when I was more making the point that Harry hasn't done anything major to gain the phoenix's trust, not that it wouldn't come to him at all.

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I don't recall a line in the book about the phoenix being attached to the Dumbledore family!

But then, the UK Wizarding world is small and inbred, and I think everyone is related to everyone else, if you look back enough generations.

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