Tarantino
I thought it was good minus the bit where they do the patriotic thing and chuck the muslim 'terrorist - arms supplier' man over the building. What do you think Quentin Tarantino would think of it.
shareQuestion is, what Ringo Lam think of it?
-Loki, who actually hasn't seen the original for fear of it ruining the mood for <i>Reservoir Dogs</i>
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I am sick of Bollywood ripping off Hollywood! i mean, there are so many.......
Rudraksh - The Mummy
Mujse Shaadi Karogi - Anger Management
Sangharsh - Silence Of The Lambs
Mohabbatein- Dead Poets Soceity
Yes Boss - For Love or Money
Main Khiladi Tu Anari- The Hard Way
Kaante- Reservoir Dogs
Hum Kisise Kum Nahin - Analyze This
Koi Mil Gaya - E.T
Chahi 420- Ms Doubtfire
Zalzala - Mackennas Gold
Agneepath - Scaface
Sadak - Taxi Driver/Lethal Weapon
Criminal - Fugitive
Darr - Cape Fear
Baazigar - A Kiss Before Dying
Takkar - Unlawful Entry
Sauda - Indecent Proposal
Yaraana - Sleeping with the Enemy
Zulm Ki Hukumat - The Godfather
Akele Hum Akele Tum - Kramer v Kramer
Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander - Breaking Away
Chinagate - Magnificent Seven
Sholay - Northwest Frontier
Jung - Desparate Measures
Mahakaal - Nightmare on Elm Street
Sshhh - Scream
Dhoom - Fast and Furious
Chori Chori Chupke Chupke - Pretty Woman
Shakti - Not Without My Daughter
Jism - Double Indemnity
Kucch To Hai - I Know What You Did Last Summer
Hum Kaun Hai - The Others
Mere Yaar Ki Shaadi Hai - My Best Friend's Wedding
Aks - Fallen
Main Aisa Hi Hoon - I am Sam
To pick a FEW!
For more go to bollycat.com
i can give u a equally long list of hollywood rip offs
ringu - ring
oldboy - oldboy
juon - juon the curse
dark water - cant remember the name
infernal affairs - yet unnamed
the list goes on
so hollywood sucks too? should all the movie makers shoot themselves and should we stop watching films >??
naa, let em rip all they want, who cares, not like tarantino lost a bundle coz kaante was made!
also which idiot would say fast and the furious was ripped by dhoom,???
if anything it is a film of the same genre, its as much a copy of fast and furious as biker boyz is , and u forgot
daraar - sleeping with the enemy
rakth - the gift
out of time - zeher
the list goes on! see the films and enjoy
I get really sick of people, (mostly americans), that go on and on about how bollywood is out of ideas and bollywood sucks and blah blah blah.
With how nuts Hollywood is for horrors lately, do you think there is a japanese movie database going "HOLLYWOOD IS A RIP OFF AND OUT OF IDEAS" !!
Also, "The Grudge", although stayed in Japan was Americanised !
FFS - just enjoy the movies and stop complaining! Almost everything is copied and inspired and borrows from nowadays.
I just got Reservoir Dogs, going to see it to decide how much "Kaante" rips off off it.
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it is quite common for the newly self esteemed and neo proud Indians to justify the bollywood plagiarism by siting similar instances in other industries BUT they forget to see the radical difference in quality and attitude......one must be a true moron not to see the phenominal difference...o yeah, I heard a moron saying that since there are only seven original plotlines every movie has to be a copy of a previously made flick....I mean, c'mon open ur eyes and see the originality and creativity within the similar plotS that hollywood has produced...can bollywood come anywhere near Godfather, Citizen Kane, Casablanca, It happened one night, clockwork orange etc etc... (long list it is)....It is true that Hollywood too has become mediocre of late but does that mean u refuse to acknowledge its quality and what it has given to the world in the last century!!
IN EVERY THREAD RELATED TO BOLLYWOOD PLAGIARISM I FIND ATLEAST ONE INDIAN MORON WHO TRIES TO DEFEND THE BOLLYWOOD MEDIOCRITY BY SLINGING MUD AT HOLLYWOOD.....THE HALFWITS FORGET THAT THIS WAY THEY ARE ONLY ENCOURAGING AND PERPETUATING THE MEDIOCRITY OF INDIAN FILMS.
Is that as common as the overly-patriotic americans claiming bollywood is stealing from them? Perhaps George W should put India on the hitlist for this.
Another thing I feel necessary to point out is that I am a hindi movie fan, but am not Indian, amazingly enough I am still massively offended by your generalisation that an Indian defending the bollywood industry must be a moron, funny bout that eh!
Godfather, Citizen Kane and Casablanca are all fine examples of originality out of Hollywood, but can you really claim enough knowledge on Hindi films to say that there is no such originality in India? If you can claim that knowledge than you know more than I about both industries and your argument is justified, I think the chances you don't are quite high though.
I agree that the quality is different, but isn't that Hollywood all over? The stories and films coming out of there are so poor of late that their attempt to fix the industry is to throw more money at it. No amount of money could have saved Catwoman or Spiderman films.
Lastly, I want to say, that a more moronic action than defending the bollywood industry, would be that of defending those that claim it does nothing but steal hollywoods ideas, ESPECIALLY in today's age.
u probably overlooked what I am quoting below from my previous post:
"It is true that Hollywood too has become mediocre of late but does that mean u refuse to acknowledge its quality and what it has given to the world in the last century!! "
I didn't overlook it.
No it does not mean I refuse to acknowledge the quality of what has been delivered in the last century. I do however firstly question that it has given "the world" this quality. Too broad.
Also, my point was how do you know that the Indian film industry hasn't delivered equally original ideas and to just as many people?
The problems with alot of the americans that say "BOLLYWOOD SUCKS" as a heading for their topic, is that realistically, they probably couldn't tell you the population of India or China, let alone one or two of the actual cities or the languages spoken there.
"how do you know that the Indian film industry hasn't delivered equally original ideas and to just as many people"
Kindly cite the "equal" no. of original ideas which The Indian film industry has churned out. May be you can fill the "big gap" in my knowledge about bollywood. Its only then that we can debate.
When you quoted my message, you forgot the question mark.
My argument was never that the indian film industry HAS delivered such quality to an equal number of people, my argument was that your argument was based on something you have no comparitive knowledge of, thus your argument is flawed.
In laymans terms, the basis of your "debate" is that hollywood has turned out more movies of a better quality than the indian film industry, my argument is that your argument is flawed, (unless you have data comparing the two industries, which you have said yourself, you don't).
You are obviously taking a "U turn" and arguing just for the heck of it. I dont find it worthwhile to continue the debate but since I want everyone here to see your bluff, I must carry it till finish. Ok lets put it this way honey- I am an arrogant (and ignorant) idiot who claims to have an absolute knowledge of both Hollywood and Bollywood and a comparative knowledge of them either. To prove my point, I will cite "just" 100 "quality" hollywood movies (although there are over 250) and discuss them thread bare from how the story was conceieved to character development,casting, plot progression, depth and twists in the plot, direction, art direction, cinematography, acting skills of the actors (and if u have any knowledge, their acting schools too such as Meisner, Chekhov,Stanislavski, Meyerhold etc) and their performance. We must also discuss the ethics involved including how they gave credits to the novel author if the screenplay was adapted.
Having done that I will arrogantly assert that I have watched almost all the watchable movies of bollywood and I am confident to proclaim that it has NOT delivered even one tenth of that quality. And now to prove me wrong you have to quote 100 "quality" bollywood movies which can fare "equally" well on all the dimensions which I mentioned above. Ok to make your job easy just quote 10....ARE YOU LISTENING "JUST 10"!!. (isn't it damn easy?) After you succeed in listing those 10 movies, we will discuss threadbare where the idea came from and if the copyrights were purchased or due credits were given. Its only then can you substantiate your statement that I do not posses the comparitive knowledge. Else you must eat your words and take a humble walk.
And yeah we will take into consideration all the movies(of both worlds) since the early 20th century (when the jews found hollywood) till the most recent release of this year.
I already accept that hollwyood churns out a lot of trash (much more than you can list here !!). So there would be no use if you try to cite movies like "catwoman" to make a point. Honey, there is more sleaze in hollywood than it is apparent to a layman like you. There are movies much more crappy than "catwoman". We are just discussing the good ones here.
Finally, if you meant the entire Indian film industry and not just bollywood I can produce more names (of good indian movies) than you can find in a 4 year research (although I am sure u were talking about hindi movies only ie bollywood,I am willing to give you one more concession). There are many good Bengali, Malyalam, Tamil and Telugu movies BUt they are meant for a very limited regional/vernacular audience. They dont have even a national appeal, forget international. And even if we consider them, together they wont make up 50 in number and would compare nowhere on the quality dimensions of hollywood though they are very good by Indian standards. However, there are a few exceptions to it - Pather Panchali, Pyasa and Hazaroan Khwahishein Aisi . These 3 movies can compete with the best of hollwyood movies on any dimension (including originality). Hope u have seen these real quality products of India. And now you have to tell me what I am missing. Unless you don't, I will keep believing that my knowledge is complete and you are another neophyte moron trying to defend bollywood mediocrity (by disguising as a non Indian to lend some credibility to urself). So should I list my 100 first or you'll present ur precious 10 first? If you have to prove the "flaw" in my arguement, you have to prove factually. Go ahead and shatter my delusion. Accept the challenge. Will you?
Man you talk alot!
"You are obviously taking a "U turn" and arguing just for the heck of it."
I never U turned at all, I am however now arguing for the heck of it. My argument has always been that I seriously doubted that you had the wordly knowledge to claim, what it is you claimed in regards to delivering quality to the WORLD.
You claim that knowledge, I humbly offer a golf clap.
"Unless you don't, I will keep believing that my knowledge is complete and you are another neophyte moron trying to defend bollywood mediocrity (by disguising as a non Indian to lend some credibility to urself)."
couple of quickies here.
1/ believe what you want about your own knowledge. As stated before, I simply questioned your ability prove comparatively through both industries that hollywood has more quality films delivered to a wider audience.
Also, believe what you want about me, I do defend remakes and reworks from bollywood because I do emphatically believe that they are justified and quite enjoyable, (in most cases), and obviously serve a large audience, (after all, isn't that where this whole discussion started).
2/ Other than emailing you a picture of myself, which I probably would not do, I can only say again, "NOT INDIAN".
3/ YOURSELF, it's not that difficult a word!
I didn't really read the rest of your dribble as you seem to only want to save face by stating your knowledge of movies is massive in size, (comparatively on par with your ego?), I never argued I knew more, only that I doubt you to have the data to back up your claims.
My argument has always been that I seriously doubted that you had the wordly knowledge to claim, what it is you claimed in regards to delivering quality to the WORLD
You may as well seriously doubt Al Pacino's worldly acting capabilities or Coppolas' worldy directing ablities (replace them by Shahrukh and Sanjay Bhansali if it makes more sense to you) but you have to state reasons for your doubts. You just can't throw a stone and run away. Now since the hollowness of your arguements is adequately exposed I would not invest anymore time in the topic. Consider this as my last respose to you. You may enjoy the bliss of having the last word at it.
I do defend remakes and reworks from bollywood because I do emphatically believe that they are justified and quite enjoyable
May be this taste for mediocrity and a tolerance for daylight robbery is the source of all your rants agaisnt me. I must say that I got the answer (a bit late though).
My reasons for the doubts are quite simple.
It is my belief that the knowledge needed to justify an argument about the comparative industries could only be handled by several universities and maybe Bill Collins, (look him up, he is Australian, like me).
I never cast a stone and ran away.
I called into doubt your WORDLY knowledge and you threw a tanty like a 5 year old and tried to hide it behind a passive agressive attack on Indians.
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I'm portuguese and I'm disgusted by bollywood, hollywood has many ripoffs it's true but at least THEY say were they ripedoff
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I don't like hollywood either, but I dislike bollywood in a much bigger level, they ripped oldboy off!!!I can't tolerate that, it's one of my favorite movies, and they simply ripped......Sorry but I'm disgusted by the whole industry, so called "bollywood", because they did nothing to stop those uncredited remakes and it really makes me sick...
shareMediocrity u say? Watch Apu trilogy, Charulata, Meghe Dhaka Tara, Pyaasa, Mother India sort of Indian movies first that were made in 50s-60s u ignorant bastaaaaaard and then speak ill of Indian films. Well i will be surprised if a person of ur confined intellect will even be able to get these original masterpieces.
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What you've got to remember is, Hollywood openly states it's a remake, they either get offical permission from the original writer/film company that owns it and agree to give a set percentage of profits/royalties, or buy the rights outright. Whereas the Indian directors blatantly rip Hollywood movies off without a single acknowledgement to the original. In fact they dodge the issue and deny any ripping off when it is so clearly blatant. And all you have managed to quote is a recent spate of Japanese horror remakes, a genre which I'll readily admit Hollywood hasn't done well in recently, which totals about 6. Bollywood rip-offs of ALL genres are endless, and frankly it's embarrassing the amount of stealing they do. I haven't seen Kaante and nor do I intend to as I'm not a fan of Hindi cinema, but one film I've had the displeasure of watching was Criminal, and do you realise how similar that is to Fugitive? Some scenes are shot-for-shot copies. And you can't tell me that was an acknowledged remake. Some people quote QT ripping off other directors, but they're generally a pastiche of different styles, quotes, references, and homage, which turns out to be his own inimitable style which he'll readily admit to, and generally of unrivalled quality. That's completely different from the Kaante director who claims that Reservoir Dogs was never in his mind when he made this film.
And who watches Bollycr*p movies these days anyway? I'll tell you who; dumb teenage asian kids who think these 3 hour song-and-dance cheesy turdfests are amazing pieces of work, older generation asians who don't really understand modern English movies or some asians who see this low-brow corny trash as action/entertainment. I'm sorry, but I'd rather see amazing, thought-provoking movies with quality acting, directing and dialogue. Anything that has song and dance numbers automatically loses these qualities.
And someone said they appeal to the masses.. Yeah youre right, the dumb illiterate uneducated masses of India who'll swallow any old tripe. In fact. they're the reason why Bollywood makes so much cr*p these days, cos the filmakers know they'll make money off of this nonsense.
Ironically, this isn't even ironic at all.
I fully second that... you are absolutely right. Being an India, I'm somewhat pissed about the majority of Indian movies. Everything is bullcr*p...
But there are some exceptions, some brilliant pieces of cinema. Unfortunately, some of those don't go well with the Indian audience. This is because Indian audience is content with watching brain-dead movies in which you don't have to think too much. Unless that changes, we'll keep on being fed this kind of crap.
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Guys when Hollywood makes a rip-off/remade they buy the copyright and give credits. Everydody knows that Grudge is a remade of Japanese movie. Its sort of like Gajni with which no one had a headache cos everybody knows its a remake of Tamil one.
But when Bollywood makes it they don't bother buying copyright or gives credit.They copy and still says it ''Unique Bollywood'' . I am afraid if its unique bollywood then bollywood whole is a copy.
Its sad to find out that even movie like Sholay and Sree 420 is a copy.
''Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't mean we all have''
rohannag,
u claimed to provide a list equally long but it seems u failed to gather one which is not even one fourth that long and that too is not correct......instead of simply reacting knee jerk to make a point u can admit the copycat attitude of bollywood and still enjoy the hindi movies (like I do)...that way u'll be atleast honest to urself
i like it how u say u can give an 'equally long list' yet cannot even list half as many movies as the other guy did
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Agreed. See the films and enjoy.
Half of the Indian public sees one version
(the driver, the cook, the paperboy, milkman)
and that's the version they know.
The other half sees both versions and knows
Bollywood version is a copy of a Hollywood movie.
The list goes on... TV dramas, background beats
added to popular music, etc, etc, etc.
But the tide is changing, and Bollywood is making
some original movies of it's own.
Any idea when the Bollywood version of
'The Departed' will be out? Ha Ha Ha.
Dushman - Eye For an Eye
Ek Ajnabee - Man On Fire
Badshah - Nick of Time+Rush Hour
i want to add some more. its actualy good mental excercise. ha ha ha
musafir- U turn
Zinda- old boy(korean classic)
Shukeria- Meet Joe Black
Company- Goodfallas(total copy)
Sarkar- Godfather( Ram gopal verma at least mentioned it)
Munna bhai M.B.B.S- Patch adams( huge copy. many characters like principal etc)
Black- Miricle worker (some scenes are totaly copied)
Hum tum- when harry met selly (scene to scene copy)
salam namasty- Nine Months
And now a special list. it only covers Mahesh and vikeram bhat movies.
Raaz- what lies beneath
killer- Collateral
Paap- Witness
Saaya- Dragon fly
Dil hai ke manta nahin- It happened one night
Murder- Unfaithful
mann- An affair to Remember
and the list goes on
I wont defend any of the names cause our industry is scummest of the scum when it comes to plagiarism
But I would differ on a few of the names
company-goodfellas(i think you need to watch both the movies again)
sarkar-the godfather(well ramu said he was making his version of the book)
Munna bhai M.B.B.S- Patch adams(I dont know what huge copy means,but yes the medical philosophy or lack of it is common)
Black- Miricle worker (again taken or adapted from a play,hence some scenes would be similar,although I havent seen the miracle worker)
I actually can add thousands to your lists just that I have better things to do.
last seen:-
mean streets(9/10)
children of men(8.5/10)
Rudraksha was not a copy of The Mummy...it was an original movie.
sharePhir Hera Pheri is a cheap rip off of LOCK,STOCK AND TWO SMOKING BARRELS
Why so Serious ?
Tarantino loved it. From The Times:
Would it frighten him if and when people started remaking his classics? The director howls. “It’s not that ridiculous,” he says. “They already are and I love it. I loved it when Hong Kong ripped off Reservoir Dogs. Then Japan did. Then India did. The Indian version [ Kaante] is terrific. It’s like four hours long with a great cast full of these big famous Indian stars. They actually start telling the story and then go back in time for an hour to set up all the characters.”
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film /article2439738.ece