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Question for the guys about the rape scene.


First I just want to say this has got to be the most disturbing and depressing film that I've seen - and I know I have yet to watch A Serbian Film which I hear is in the same league...

Now on to my query to the men out there... I'm sure anyone in their right mind would have a negative reaction to the rape scene in general, but how many of you actually shed tears? And I ask this in the most straightforward way. Because I couldn't really control my emotions anymore and it got to me on a deep level that I began crying. Gaspar Noe has done something truly important with portraying the scene in such a raw way. He cut through the BS and showed it for what it was.

I'll go even further, that this scene would surely make the cut for the montage in the "eye scene" in Kubrick's The Clockwork Orange. And SHOULD be shown to all misogynists out there as a form of a way to think about these actions.

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I actually found the anal rape scene to be an incredibly sexy and highly erotic scene.

it's the fact that you have one of the sexiest women in the world, wearing a sexually revealing dress, going down into that underpass - you have to ask what was going through her mind? Surely, by going down there, she knew that she would only end up getting raped. Any hot-blooded male down in that underpass is not going to just walk past, is he? He is going to release his natural sexual urges onto her.

OK, the beating she got AFTER the rape was sickening, but the actual rape itself was incredibly hot and sexy, and can you really blame that guy for raping her, being as sexy as she was?


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Made me angry against the whole human race, is what it did.
As for that scene possibly being of any educating value to misogynists out there... well, I suppose the couple of posts in reply to yours answer that question, unfortunately.


The moment when a passer-by enters the tunnel in the background, realizes what's happening and eventually decides to quietly leave almost made me physically ill though.

Actually, for me this particular scene shall forever remain one of the most important and genuine example of cinema affecting real life.

I once stumbled on a man strangling and smashing his girlfriend's head against a wall, in front of her helpless 10 year old son, in the staircase leading to my apartment. None of them saw me coming and I was so shocked and unprepared for that (you know - taking out the garbage on a late Sunday morning, half-snoozing...) that my natural instinct was to silently retreat.

Then this particular scene of Irreversible popped into my mind and I swore to myself I'd die of shame if I ever let myself be like that man who retreats and does nothing in the tunnel in Irreversible. So I went back and sorted the guy out (thank god, without needing to recourse to anything more than threats and verbal violence...).

Point is, had it not been for that film, which I find very unpleasant to watch, I would probably have done something I'd silently have regretted all my life (and who knows what would have happened to that poor girl).

Strange how art influences life sometimes.

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I hear you completely about the guy walking in on the scene then leaving. It just hits all the proper spots for me emotionally because I'm guilty of the same things (albeit less worse things witnessed than that rape) and just proceeding going my way - feeling guilty.

As for your interesting personal story about witnessing the beating and remembering the film. I don't think I'll be the same anymore either by averting my eyes to things. Interestingly enough, in Code Unknown's opening, the black guy who stands up for the beggar woman, DOESN'T avert his eyes to the kid just throwing trash at her... and look what happened there.

How fascinating is it to see two filmmakers tackle the polar opposite ends of the same "theme" - and both resulting in different consequences... Obviously life is complex and with its own biases and nuances and never black and white.

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It just hits all the proper spots for me emotionally because I'm guilty of the same things (albeit less worse things witnessed than that rape) and just proceeding going my way - feeling guilty.

We've all been there I'm sure. I suppose unless you have appropriate training, as a civilian your first reaction to witnessing violent acts in everyday life will be denial and shock. Not easy to get past this. Even with proper training, you never know how a situation will escalate and end up like. And on top of possible physical harm come possible legal repercussions too.

Interestingly enough, in Code Unknown's opening, the black guy who stands up for the beggar woman, DOESN'T avert his eyes to the kid just throwing trash at her... and look what happened there.

Indeed. Talk about unforseen escalation and legal repercussions...
In that black guy's case in "Code Unknown" (I don't know if you understand French) another problem is also the way he adresses the police, which could easily come out as aggresive to them (which of course is in line with one of the main themes of the film), but what he witnessed indeed made him angry.

How fascinating is it to see two filmmakers tackle the polar opposite ends of the same "theme" - and both resulting in different consequences... Obviously life is complex and with its own biases and nuances and never black and white.

To compare those two scenes though, I feel the tunnel scene in "Irreversible" is quite "organic" in the way it happens whereas the paper bag scene in "Code Unknown" feels more like a "set-up" to me.

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I noticed the whole escalation phenomenon right away - and understood everything that was going on in that scene despite not speaking French and picking up on the nuances of the language and whatnot. But I see this happening everywhere to this day. How NOT only cops react the way they do to "an emotional person" who has every right to be that way if it's legitimate, but how PEOPLE in general react to emotional people. Common sense begins to break down and people turn primal and animalistic or violent. This is why I really liked what Haneke did with this film by concentrating on this very theme of human communication or lack thereof and what it leads to in the heat of the moment.

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Yes, I completely understand you about the "organic" versus "set-up". However, I'm struggling to figure out how Haneke could've organically devised that moment. Maybe I need more time to think about it. But I see the contrivance in his design. But it didn't bother me too much.

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it is probably one of the "best" rape scenes, I've seen. Its long, doesnt cut away, & its an anal rape, which I havent seen many of in films. I like it better than either of the oral or anal rapes in the first Dragon tattoo movie.

Also, the actress is more attractive.

are there any other rape scenes like this? I'd have to say the one i "like" second to this would the Lara Croft rape in Hollow-man.

I am trying to write some female centric stories, & would like to know of some other "high-quality" rape scenes, to see how they work & how they dont.

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Hell yeah, high fives all round.

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man, so many horn dogs being turn on by rape scenes WTH

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I acknowledged the brutality, can't really say it emotionally strained me.

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all because females don't share the same sex drive as men.


In fact, they just don't want sex with you. Because you're a disgusting loser.

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I'm a man so I'm not sure what point I prove. I'm judging you based on what you wrote, which is horrifying.

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The rape scene in this film and in the original 'I spit on your grave' are two of the most brutal I've seen in cinema. I may be in the minority but I am not turned on by rape or sodomy, and was certainly not aroused watching this. Horrified at the realism is more like it.

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Also let's take rape out of the equation for a minute. As a guy, I don't understand the anal fascination. In my opinion there's something wrong when an ass*#*e feels better then a vagina. Repressed homosexuality?

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It's only gay if you wanna bang another man's ass.

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Repressed homophobia?

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