I understand how Berlin's actions were of prime
Importance because they set up the downward
spiral in David's life. But why did she falsely
accuse him of rape? Was she working with
the cowboy? Did the cowboy get her to do
what she did so David would be in a position
to go along with the ultimate plot?
berlins actions were some-what incidental. while they did lay part of the foundations that ultimately led gale to his incarceration... they were not part of the great plan.
they did touch on an explanation for why berlin did what she did... possibly to hurt gale on a personal level after he had previously rejected her, or maybe it was a proverbial "up-yours" to authority.
one thing i think you might me missing though... the cowboy (dusty) wasnt working against gale, they were working together. the whole murder-conviction-execution was planned by gale, dusty and constance to prove that the legal system is flawed... and it if possible for innocent people to be executed.
hope that helps.
Berlin may have wanted Gale sexually, but what she wanted more was a passing grade. Gale refused to give her one unless she studied and worked for it and made it clear that she wasn't going to screw her way into passing which is what she tried to do early in the film (sex for grade trade off).
Gale initially rejects Berlin but after finding out his wife was cheating on him and getting wasted at the party, they end up having consensual sex in the bathroom.
I always thought Berlin planned this to get back at Gale for not having sex with her earlier in the movie in exchange for the passing grade. This is also why she insisted that Gale perform sex that could be perceived as "rough" or forceful which is what police look for when investigating rape. For example, she told Gale to scratch her and rip her underwear. To Gale, she was just enjoying rough sex but she was laying the foundation for the rape accusations.
Whether or not she actually wanted to have sex with him is inconsequential to the film. She tries to seduce him in the classroom to get a better grade. When she finds this won't work, she plots revenge and makes another attempt when Gale is in a vulunerable position (drunk) and is more apt to give in to her advances so she can accuse him of rape later and ruin his career.
berlin also asked gale to bite her when they were having sex -- which would also add that she was "planning to call rape"-- gale just thought she liked it rough...she was out for her own revenge bc he turned own her advances in the classroom in exchange for a better grade...i don' think berlin had anything else to do w/the other stuff.
shareBut she was already expelled from university.
In the party she tells him that she was not after the grade.
I think she was actually expelled from university after she gets late in class, when she gets the letter from her friend,which is before willing to do everything for a grade.
I think she got angry for being expelled or because he rejects her the 1st time and she got revenge.Crazy girl.
That's right. Berlin had thought it out ahead of time. That's why she was insisting he bite her and rip her panties off, to back up her "rape" story later. Evil, selfish slut.
shareBut Berlin will pay for her sins as David's remorseful wife hires a hitman in the closing scenes to murder her.
shareNo.
Pobre de Dios que no sale en revistas, que no es modelo ni artista, o de familia royal...
I'm past the age where I get a discount at the movies which has also led me to have to see a movie more than once sometimes to get it all, or at least most of them. I've watched Mulholland Drive probably 3-4 times since it came out and still don't understand so much of it.
At least Roger Ebert (RIP )didn't get it either....he said it was like the thoughts a person would have when going from deep sleep (R.E.M. I think it is called) to gradually waking up where u get snippets of this & that if u have one of those strong dreams.
I did read what some people said as an explanation of the movie here & they are all over the place, but some of them the person insist they get it all, I say no way they got into Lynch's head to get it all.
WHAT I MEANT TO GET TO. I totally missed where Gales wife sets up a hit on Berlin. Was that portrayed at the end? Was it really Berlin that sent the card that said "I'm sorrier than you'll ever know". Was she sorry she set him up? If she wasn't sorry - & had been kicked out of school for....I don't know....bad grades....but I thought in the timeline...she seems to have been expelled from the school after she asks Spacey for the passing grade & she'll have sex for it.
And then the same night the party happens cause he tells L. Linney he's going to the party. So since he earlier in the day he told her to pass she would have to study...not have sex with him. So it seems it isn't even grading time yet & she could pass with study. So just because he tells her to study...she decides to ruin his career. So many men (except Clinton....it depends on what the definition of is is) ruin themselves or make fools of themselves. Mel Gibson for one although he has money to burn still).
Was that it for her part - just wanting to ruin him because he did the right thing he was sober, but the wrong thing when he had too much alcohol coursing through his brain.
Another movie I didn't pick up watching just once was Tinker, Tailor, Solder, Spy. Great Cast. But after seeing it once, I know I missed some stuff for sure.
Boy, when I was young & a used to drink way too much way too often....you will face ramifications that get worse and worse as time goes by. Good thing I finally quit a long time ago.
But its health, & healthy relationships & enough money to live a decent life. If you end up for any reason to be living in poverty with bad health issues.....you will have people at times treat you with no dignity & poverty is another form of violence.
I'm sure that if you've been around long enough you've heard or read about this type of thing. In a fairly big city a homeless man had a little area in the woods where he slept & one morning a few teenagers walking by with baseball bats decided this old guy was totally vulnerable & they then decided to start whaling away on this man with the bats until he was dead.
The violence we see worldwide these days I think is due to a large extent because so few are so wealthy and so many have nothing. Sorry - I get carried away with posts sometimes.
I'm past the age where I get a discount at the movies which has also led me to have to see a movie more than once sometimes to get it all, or at least most of them. I've watched Mulholland Drive probably 3-4 times since it came out and still don't understand so much of it.
At least Roger Ebert (RIP )didn't get it either....he said it was like the thoughts a person would have when going from deep sleep (R.E.M. I think it is called) to gradually waking up where u get snippets of this & that if u have one of those strong dreams.
I did read what some people said as an explanation of the movie here & they are all over the place, but some of them the person insist they get it all, I say no way they got into Lynch's head to get it all.
WHAT I MEANT TO GET TO. I totally missed where Gales wife sets up a hit on Berlin. Was that portrayed at the end? Was it really Berlin that sent the card that said "I'm sorrier than you'll ever know". Was she sorry she set him up? If she wasn't sorry - & had been kicked out of school for....I don't know....bad grades....but I thought in the timeline...she seems to have been expelled from the school after she asks Spacey for the passing grade & she'll have sex for it.
And then the same night the party happens cause he tells L. Linney he's going to the party. So since he earlier in the day he told her to pass she would have to study...not have sex with him. So it seems it isn't even grading time yet & she could pass with study. So just because he tells her to study...she decides to ruin his career. So many men (except Clinton....it depends on what the definition of is is) ruin themselves or make fools of themselves. Mel Gibson for one although he has money to burn still).
Was that it for her part - just wanting to ruin him because he did the right thing he was sober, but the wrong thing when he had too much alcohol coursing through his brain.
Another movie I didn't pick up watching just once was Tinker, Tailor, Solder, Spy. Great Cast. But after seeing it once, I know I missed some stuff for sure.
Boy, when I was young & a used to drink way too much way too often....you will face ramifications that get worse and worse as time goes by. Good thing I finally quit a long time ago.
But its health, & healthy relationships & enough money to live a decent life. If you end up for any reason to be living in poverty with bad health issues.....you will have people at times treat you with no dignity & poverty is another form of violence.
I'm sure that if you've been around long enough you've heard or read about this type of thing. In a fairly big city a homeless man had a little area in the woods where he slept & one morning a few teenagers walking by with baseball bats decided this old guy was totally vulnerable & they then decided to start whaling away on this man with the bats until he was dead.
The violence we see worldwide these days I think is due to a large extent because so few are so wealthy and so many have nothing. Sorry - I get carried away with posts sometimes.
In the montage at the end after Gale is executed, we see a beefy looking Italian guy sat in Gale's wife's kitchen. The wife hands him a suitcase full of money, a recent photo of Berlin and a plane ticket to San Francisco. It is not stated outright that she is hiring a hitman to whack Berlin, but the implication is there.
shareThere's the suitcase with money and a postcard from San Francisco that Berlin sent David. No photo, no plane ticket either. There was no plan to kill Berlin.
David just wanted his wife to know that he was innocent.
… sometimes one life… If it’s the right life… That’s enough. Goodbye, Harold."
John Reese
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