Confused over the aliens appearing as humans

Ok ok. Continue to ignore the actual lines of the miniseries & belief what you wish. I'm through trying to talk to a wall

Again, I could return your personal comments and say that you are the one ignoring the events of the miniseries. You won't find where the aliens said what their purpose in the breeding program is.

The main thrust of the search for stamina and combativeness in a subject is that their hybrids weakened and died upon use of their alien abilities -- not because they admired our war heroes.

It was a practical purpose; not a romantic one. And instead of feeling warm and fuzzy about the aliens, they should be approached with a large amount of skepticism. The military's approach was harsh, but a potential race of alien/human hybrids introduced on the planet could certainly be deemed a security threat.

My last comment on this thread: I told you EXACTLY where John says about Sally's kindness affecting him & that's when the breeding experiment began

You're making that connection -- the aliens did not. To repeat, you will not find where the aliens revealed the purpose of their breeding program. Viewers don't know when their breeding program began; they were already here for some purpose at the time of the New Mexico crash. They were checking out the bomber crews as Foo Fighters during WWII -- before the New Mexico crash. Russell Keys is abducted during the war, which occurred years before the conversation you cite.

After Charlie drags John from the Durango & demands an explanation, he actually says they were scientists who had been studying us & when he experienced kindness from Sally is when the breeding experiment began

John says he was a scientist, but not that the breeding program started then. They were already looking for a sturdier human to increase the chances of the hybrids' survival when they abducted bomber crews, which was at the least two years before the Roswell crash, which John survived. Roswell happened in 1947, and the bomber-crew abductions happened during WWII: 1941-1945.

I just rewatched the part where Charlie drags John from the SUV. Some of the things John says are:
1)"We're not that different from you. Genetically, biologically...."
2)"Im a scientist. We were all scientists. We came here to learn" then Charlie asked "Learn what?" John replied "Everything"
2)"You have compassion as well as cruelty. We lack both"
3)"Sally, your grandmother, took me in and showed me a great kindness. And so our greatest experiment began"

Some have posited that aliens could be time travelers from Earth, from a future when they have manipulated their DNA for numerous reasons -- some of which may be to exist in space or on other worlds or by preference for certain traits.

In that way, a return to our time when we have relatively clean DNA is like a gold mine for them. If the miniseries aliens are Earth humanoid in origin, then they should still have similarities.

Otherwise, it's very unlikely they would be able to copulate in the normal way as we do and produce a fetus. Quite a lot of help would be necessary in the lab. I have explained this upthread. No one has come forth to explain how else it would happen. John's idea of our differences may only mean that it is indeed possible in a lab, rather than not.

I don't have any problem with the aliens being scientists come here to learn. It fits in fine; they are doing that. To the next point, the aliens are telepathic with us and with each other. That capability creates a radically different set of circumstances for interaction between beings.

When everything is felt universally by everyone, cruelty and compassion wouldn't exist as we know it. They are functions of solitary individuals for one another. No member of a telepathic species would have to be told not to be cruel or to be compassionate. The ramifications of everyone's actions towards others are immediately felt.

But those emotions not existing as we know it is not the same as not existing at all. In order for aliens to appreciate our kindness, they must recognize it, which they do. Those feelings still exist, though they have become moot because of telepathy.

If what the aliens wanted was to recapture emotions like compassion and cruelty, they would probably have to give up telepathy. And if that were what they were trying to do with a breeding program, then they would put some amount of human DNA into an alien host and have their prototype.

But that was not what they wanted -- nor what John meant. Sally's kindness was a signal that perhaps they could have a relationship with humans. Or perhaps they could settle here. Their breeding program didn't put human DNA into an alien -- it put alien DNA into a human.

So what they have is a human hybrid, looking like a human, who is sympathetic to the aliens. You don't have aliens who are recapturing compassion and cruelty. Their breeding program is to create human hybrids who aren't afraid of them -- indeed who support and accept them.

The aliens' ultimate goal was never revealed in the production, but the results of their breeding program indicate they could create a covert, advance guard as a prelude to settlement. Personally, I would not want to be an ordinary human on a world with many of those around.

As to John's wording: "greatest" is the superlative form of "great," with the comparative form being "greater." So at least three stages exist to arrive at "greatest" -- and potentially a nearly infinite number. That quote from John doesn't indicate when their breeding program began. It doesn't indicate what the focus of it is.

I shudder to think why he called it their greatest experiment; it could mean the end of humanity.

Jeez! You are CLEARLY one of those "I know what I know, so don't bother me with the facts" type people

Once again, your personal comments can be applied to yourself. I could say that I have pointed out the facts, which you can't be bothered with.

1)You say "John's idea of our differences may only mean that it is indeed possible in a lab, rather than not" The operative word here is "may" You are making an assumption not evidenced by the miniseries. It showed Charlie, Jesse, Russell & one or two of Russell's men aboard a craft, why would it not show Sally aboard one? I think the only reason Allie was conceived on a spaceship was because tests done during Charlies last abduction showed he was ready & they had to get Charlie & Lisa together. Remember, Charlie and lisa lived in different states. In fact, that shows the aliens had no psychic bonds with Lisa or Charlie. Otherwise, why didn't they just give one of them the urge to relocate to where the other one was?
2)You say "the aliens are telepathic with us and with each other" Where do you get this? Because of Lisa being able to feel what Allie is experiencing? There are plenty of stories of psychic bonds between parents & their children. Allie even tells Lisa she thinks that's because she is Lisa's only daughter and she loves her so much. If it was because of telepathy between aliens or between aliens & humans, Allie should've known her mother had that "power" and she wouldn't have assumed Lisa couldn't "do things"(as Allie put it) like she and Jacob could

I was happy to offer a discussion, but I could as well have simply said that the items you posted were no proof of your assertions and expect you to show how.

You are the one who has to prove that John said aliens were able to copulate with humans. He did not say that and they did not show it; and all I have to do is suggest alternatives, which I did.

The fact they didn't show Sally aboard the craft proves nothing. The fact that it would be impossible scientifically for an alien to copulate with us in the normal way proves quite a bit.

You have given no hint of how it was accomplished. I say it was done in a lab, which makes sense and completely jives with what was said on screen. They would have to be biologically similar to us to even produce a fetus in a lab.

How two humans copulate is immaterial. We know they can. And the aliens certainly had a psychic bond with those two; they knew where they were every moment and whether they were in danger. They produced a protective field around their pregnant subject when she was threatened by thugs on the street at night.

Regarding telepathy, the aliens know what humans are thinking; John was able to make himself appear as a hero in a pulp sci-fi story, because he knew Sally would be intrigued by that image.

He'd seen the picture in her mind, and she didn't even notice the resemblance herself until later when she picked up the pulp magazine again. Aliens place screen memories and events in the minds of humans just by looking into their minds.

More than once they appeared as something they weren't and caused humans to see things that were not real, but that would appeal to them in a way calculated to produce desired results. That can't be done without knowing what the humans are thinking. It's their nature -- how they function with us and each other.

You may be right about how John chose his physical appearance. It hadn't occured to me that he already had the appearance when Sally found him in her barn. Although I have wondered if Sally was herself an abductee prior to the Roswell crash, because she told John she knew he was from much further away than he said. If she was an abductee, then John may have had prior knowledge of the comic book. Like if she was abducted once while she was reading it. I read the screen memories like Allie created when she was held captive at the farm house, as just being one of a number of conceivable scenarios, that she chose to create. If the aliens possessed the power of mental telepathy, then why did Lisa only seem to sense how Allie was feeling at certain times? Or why didn't she know who John was as soon as she saw him in the garage? Why couldn't she sense when the aliens were near or know what they were planning? She didn't even know she was 1/4 alien until Tom told her. I think Allie reactivated her neuron spiral so the aliens could find her & take her because she realized people would get hurt or possibly die if she allowed them to try to protect her from the aliens and the military. I don't think she summoned them telepathically.

I don't think Sally was an abductee prior to the crash. The crash was a horrible accident, and John hid in the shed as a refugee from it. The reason Sally said what she did is that she was drawn to science fiction and fantasy already; her mind and heart was open to the idea of a strange being -- even welcomed it.

Her life desperately needed some pleasant escape, as the show went to some trouble to explain. She wanted to believe, and he was a strange person. John may have leaked a few odd mental hints in his time with her, as well. He said and did some unusual things. Even the kids started to suspect something odd.

There are a couple of different things here. Screen memories is the term people use to describe what aliens create to hide what they are doing to humans. It's what they do to prevent family members from seeing abductions and what they did, for example, when they made the bomber crews think they were Nazi doctors.

They didn't do a good job on Russell -- or else he wasn't a good subject -- because he saw through the screen memories and had many terrifying visions of them during his life.

It's said by abduction researchers that most abductees never know what has happened to them. So Russell was unusual. Maybe one thing that led to his combativeness was the fact that he actually was privy to what was being done to him, whereas others never know.

What Allie did was something a bit different in purpose: she made everyone within her reach experience the same hallucination by the power of her mind. She was controlling everyone's minds. That is why she was working so hard and became so exhausted, besides just being a child. And besides the fact that she is basically a human, but enhanced with alien genes.

Other than her, the humans are not the telepaths; the aliens are. They made both Owen and Mary Crawford see things in front of them that were in their own minds. Aliens read their minds and terrified them both while they were inside the space ship. One of them made Lisa think she was seeing an interesting young man after she played with the band.

A one-quarter alien human is not going to have much power. I am reminded of Deanna Troi on Star Trek: The Next Generation, who is half Betazoid/half human and is only empathic, instead of a full telepath. Her powers are limited.

All the telepathic races I've heard of in sci-fi attempt to manage their telepathy in order not to intrude on others, though. The Betazoids, the Vulcans -- they cultivate techniques not to be read, and not to read others.

And speaking of Star Trek, Emily Bergl ("Lisa") had a good guest role on a Star Trek:Enterprise episode, called "North Star."

Thanks for the info about Emily Bergl being on the Star Trek episode. I've seen her guest star on a few other things. One time, she & Desmond Harrington were both on "Law & Order: CI" For some reason I'm drawn to this miniseries to the point that I love to see cast members in other things. Particularly more than one on the same show. Like when Heather Donahue, Anton Yelchin, or Catherine Dent were on "Without A Trace" I thought it was cool when Adam Kaufman started playing a recurring character on there. On the episode where Samantha went to inform Brian she was pregnant with his baby & he was with another girl. The other girl wanted to know who Samantha was & he said "it's complicated" I couldn't help thinking it would be a lot harder for Charlie to explain Lisa to another woman than it would be for Brian to explain Samantha to another woman. It might go something like " You see, we were both abducted by aliens & forced to breed on a spaceship and now we're Dakota Fanning's parents" lol

LOL, that is a very ticklish situation. I remember thinking about that before about this show.