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Sorry, Manhunter still better than this, even with Hopkins


Yes, I love Manhunter, with all it's flaws.

Why I think this is BS?
- Noonan acts circles around Fiennes. Him having no tattoos, less screen time and less speech actually made him more misterious/menacing/frightening, to me at least. Fiennes simply came off cartoonish (proving Mann correct in losing Dolarhyde's tattoos), attention-needy, drama queen and pathetic.
- Norton, as good as he was in AHX, just SUCKED here. He just looks constipated (big time), not conflicted nor dangerous (in the book Lecter says Graham is essentially a sociopath just like him, hence why he can second-guess other psychos, he just decided not to go down that evil road) nor anything remotely interesting. William Peterson however, as bland and as quiet as he was, actually conveyed the character's inner demons better in my opinion (silence can sometimes tell/infer more than lengthy-wordy explanations).
- Cox got Lecter more realistically in my opinion. That is how a real life Lecter would actually come off, not like Hopkins, who also was given TOO MUCH screen time (for obvious reasons), at teh cost of the story. This is not his story, but Graham's and to a point Dolarhyde's.
- The blind lady works in both films.

I guess you can excuse Hopkins and Fiennes due to the tone and direction (Hopkins was expected to be teatrical and Fiennes to be sympathetic), but Norton is just pathetic. I really spent the entire film shouting in my head "either puke or let one go already!".

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I guess Brett Ratner should take the blame them. After all he also almost made Xmen 3 unwatchable (thank heaven the script was good enough to withstand his lackluster direction/tone and the cast already was seasoned enough in the Singer vision also).

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Nope



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Spot on. Red Dragon is a joke on all accounts compared to Manhunter. Norton was laughable.

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Wrong on ALL counts.

Dollrahyde in MH - sad weirdo clown, RD - true maniac.
Lecter in MH - random taxi driver reciting lines for no reason, RD - creepy and classy killer.
Reeba in MH - some random chick poorly imitating blind people and acting as random dreamy 80s chick, RD - actual live woman with vulnerability showing.
Investigator in MH - cool surfer dude from 80s making funny clenching faces and comically pretending to be upset (WHY are you killing them, argh!, so lame) RD - an actual detective with determination and wit.

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Dollrahyde in MH - sad weirdo clown, RD - true maniac.


I definitely agree on that count. Ralph Fiennes was a much scarier Dollrahyde!

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Ralph Fiennes was scary? He was a whining, pathetic little bitch. Tom Noonan was quiet and menacing.

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Investigator in MH - cool surfer dude from 80s making funny clenching faces and comically pretending to be upset (WHY are you killing them, argh!, so lame)


I wonder what you thought of Petersen in To Live And Die In LA
MH was much better.

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I think RD is the better movie overall, Manhunter has some good stuff going for it but overall it's pretty underwhelming.

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I disagree.

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