Read up on this site about the Malvinas:
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Like Borges said, "Like two bald men fighting over a comb"
Except one of these men, namely Argentina, owns the comb.
Argentina owns nothing but a country full of idiots who have lies drilled into their heads at an early age. Read your history and then read the history of your own country then come back and argue.
shareHa ha...They "own" the comb?? That's crazy and wrong. Those innocent young Argentines died because their stupid government sacrificed them for meaningless nationalism. British firepower sliced them up. Sorry to tell you, The Falklands ("Malvinas") are owned by the British now.
Focus on how to help the unfortunate war veterans in Argentina and their government that continues to largely ignore them.
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I'm not really sure why Argentines are so convinced 'Las Malvinas' belong to them. The history of the Falklands is one of various imperial powers (France, Spain, Britain) claiming the islands, settling and then abandoning them again at various intervals over the last 400 years. The islands have been British since 1833 after we reclaimed them after a US warship destroyed the last Argentine settlement there. If anyone, Argentina should be blaming the US for its loss of the islands.
Anyway, the international agreement on self-determination for all people mean that it is the Falkland Islanders who should choose their ruling nation and I can't see them voting for Argentina. It's just like Spain and Gibraltar: just because they're close to you doesn't mean you automatically own them. There's a historical precedent to consider, not just geography.
every person that thinks that malvinas are not argentinian, is an ignorant, you could try to use another argument to prove why malvinas are british and you won't be able to find anyone. And we have plenty of arguments to prove that malvinas are argentinians.
share...actually, Argentina has ONE argument to explain why the Malvinas are theirs: because they are close to the mainland of Argentina--that's it. This was an overt act of nationalistic pride at the intended expense of an aging super power in Britian. If Argentina had merely proposed some sort of trade for them or even simply asked to get them back in time, they would have stood a better chance of getting them. As it was, by asserting boldly to the world that the Malvinas now belong to Argentina, Argentina put the UK in a position where they either HAD to take them back by force or appear weak.
This was a strategic blunder of epic proportion for Argentina. The blame for the travesty that befell the Argentine soldiers on the Malvinas lies purely with the then Argentine government.
"This was a strategic blunder of epic proportion for Argentina. The blame for the travesty that befell the Argentine soldiers on the Malvinas lies purely with the then Argentine government."
Indeed. Prior to the invasion, had you asked the average Briton whether the government should hang onto the Falklands, their first response would have been 'Huh? We have a colony in the South Atlantic?' Had the Argentinian government entered into negotiations it's quite possible that they would have got some kind of dual sovereignty deal which might eventually have led to Britain handing them over to Argentina.
Instead they decided to invade the territory of a nuclear-armed power with a first-class Army and a globe-spanning Navy and Air Force, ensuring that a) they would lose and b) it would become such an issue of pride with the British that no such negotiation would be possible for decades to come.
The invasion was about the dumbest military success since the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, and particularly stupid considering that much of that globe-spanning Navy and Air Force was going to be retired a few months later, so if they'd just waited a little longer the British might well have been unable to recapture them.
More on topic, I thought it was a pretty interesting movie and I'd like to see more movies about the war from both sides; but it was rather spoiled by some 'Falklands are Argentinian' posturing. The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders, and right now they want to remain British.
Argentina belongs to Spain - give it back.
shareThe Argentines have no claim to the Falklands other than geographic proximity.
They are not populated by Argentines and there have been no Argentine settlements there for nearly 200 years.
This was simply a military dicatatorship convincing the population of an enemy, a cause, just so they could deflect attention from their own short commings.
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Did you know the British and French both had small settlements on the falklands and didn't even know their enemies were living there.
The first sightings were probably by the Spanish, Infact I think the Spanish claimed the Islands int he 1500s but evactuated due to crappy conditions and stuck with raping Argentina before Argentina was even an independent nation.
The Falklands have been argued over long before Argentina was even a nation and back when they didn't even know about the Island's exsistance.
People kill in the name of Allah, I bet they'll be pissed when they find out he doesn't exist.
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this discussion is way out of proportion here.
Beside that everyone is almost wrong, and far from the truth.
You know what.
I was about to reply this toppic, but after seeing how intolerant the people is there is know whay that you can understand what ever i could say.
I hope a time came, when we be able to argue with racionality
I have to say that I agree with lsermantero as he speaks the most sense.
The Falklands/Malvinas issue is a difficult one to get my head around since I find it hard to understand what all the fuss is about. This is mainly because there isn't a minority/majority demographic which is much easier to understand.
From what I gather, both sides seem to display ulterior motives when they claim them. (The British invasion in 1982 for example boosted their economy and political standing in the world while the earlier argentine invasion was in order for the then government to distract the general public from the poor state of the economy. Plus the recent Argentine claim is concerning oil)
Having said that, I kind of feel sorry for the Argentine conscripts who were drafted in.
If there is any ultimate solution to the problem then I recon that it should be a Diplomatic one.
I'd say the motive was far from ulterior. Bit of a no brainer, really...The UK liberated the islands to ensure that 1800 British subjects didn't end up living under a fascist invading regime.
It's like saying the US should invade Cuba, seeing as it's nearby, despite USA not even existing as a nation at the time Cuba was originally populated.
The Falklands were populated by British people before the newly formed nation of Argentina even started to swallow up Patagonia and move southward into terra del fuego.
Argentina's claim to the Falklands is a long way from valid. Argentina as a nation did not exist when Britain took control of the islands. If they had taken the islands from Argentina then they may have a point, but to be fair, how can you take territory island from a nation that does not exist?
Even when Argentina became a country, it didn't extend south into Patagonia, which is the part that's got any proximity to the Falklands today. If you can even call 300 miles away "close".
"every person that thinks that malvinas are not argentinian, is an ignorant, you could try to use another argument to prove why malvinas are british and you won't be able to find anyone. And we have plenty of arguments to prove that malvinas are argentinians."
No, you have no argument. The Falkland Island remain British, as long as the population that lives there wants to be. That is the beginning and the end. Never mind 1833, or 1806 or 25th May or any of that bullsheeit.
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Las Islas Malvinas belongs to Argentina not to the UK, a country that is located thousands of miles away. But when you have the weapons and the money you can steal anything you want.
The now extinct british empire invaded many countries. The british aristocracy (not the workers) got rich thanks to the suffering of millions. That's a fact.
BTW you could say the same about other countries with an imperialist past or present like: France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Russia, Japan, USA.
Isn't USA currently sucking the oil from the veins of Iraq?
At least the argentinean defeat contributed to the fall of the fascist Junta Militar, that's the only positive thing that Argentina got from that war.
PS for the moron whose nickname is Of_Unknown_Origins: The last time I went to California and Texas I saw most mexicans than gringos (yanks), I ate more tacos than cheese burgers and heard more mexican music than music in english plus almost everyone speaks spanish. Ain't the mayor of L.A. a mexican dude? Seems those lands have already returned to mexican hands without shooting a single bullet! ha!
Steal, there was no one on these islands? There was no argentina when they were claimed. Argentinians have a strong blood link with Spain and Portrugaul, Argentina is a product of Colonialism.
USA isn't sucking oil out of Iraq they're trying to force a link with the country for a future with oil. The difference between Iraq and the Falklands is that someone actually lived in Iraq before the Invasion.
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