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Is American high school actually like this?


I went to school in New Zealand and have seen many American 'teen' movies and they all seem to have such defined cliques. I've never even heard of a kid getting thrown in a trash bin or head in the toilet in my life except for in American movies. So is it really like that?

It seems that American high school culture is far more material than mine and that it doesn't really matter who you are but more so what you are or do...


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It often is that way. In most american high schools, big kids have the "right" to say and do whatever they want. But it isnt that way at my school, but people talk alot of *beep* about others behind their backs.

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Yeah, most American High Schools are like this, at the very least. Luckly for the audience we're following the guys and not the girls becasue bullying for girls is a lot more...dangerous. Guys use their fists, push people around, put them in trashcans, give them swirllies, use their size to intimanate people, stuff like that.

Girls on the other hand...Girls are *beep* visious. They attack first with words and rumors, which doesn't seem like that big a deal until you realize that all the people you thought were friends suddenly can't be seen with you. Then comes the humiliation and degradation - often times, this is when a false hand of friendship is extended and you go to a party and get humiliated in a way that people remember for the rest of your High School carreer. Girls also use the Jocks as personal marrienettes, often times getting a girl they're pissed at raped or filmed nude. Normally this is when the teachers get involved and, depending on how much money or sex appeal the bully has, you get told you're lying or to just keep your head down.

So, yeah, this movie is pretty much the soft truth. American High School Culture is basically synonumos with Psycological torture. If you live through it, you have the nessassary skills to be in the real world. If you don't...You don't.

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Last poster, what the *beep*? The only thing close to that I heard of is the girl who was lured to a "friends" house and beaten unconscious. All american high schools are NOT like this. I think the worst thing that ever happened to me was getting hit with a snowball in a snowball fight I was not involved in, or having an egg thrown at me and my friends.

But it wasn't because the people viewed me as subhuman or because I treated them bad. They were just being dicks.

I barely knew any one who was on the cheerleading team, and I knew football players, but they rarely messed with anyone on school grounds. And when they did it was some one they knew and had a mutual problem with, not a random malicious act. Most high schools have a mandated behavior/grade standard to be allowed on sports teams, so they wouldn't be a dick just to do it.

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I can answer that. Yes. That's actually more common than the damn trash cans and swirlies, I seriously hear about that all the time from my old high school.

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My highschool is sorta like this but the bullying isn't so bad anymore. We still kid each other stuff but no one is mean, at least not in public. And dude thumbs up to you for being a CoB fan.

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This film showed the extremes of American high school life. The stuff that happened in this movie are not uncommon in high schools around the country, but it's not the case in every school. I don't know what the exceptions are that give a school into this kind of atmosphere; it just happens. Schools around here are HUGE on cliques.

When I was in high school I saw so many kids just like Trevor that got bullied and given so much crap just for being who they were, and it hurt. I hated seeing it. Of course, back in high school I wasn't one to stand up or get involved in anything, so I never took a stand against what was happening. But I do remember on more than one occasion trying to be friendly with the kids that were being bullied and they always got very defensive. They were always paranoid that a friendly gesture would turn out to be a ruse to get them trapped into something they really didn't want to be caught in. It sucked.

Anyway. Yes, American high school is very much like this movie, but this movie was just an extreme case.

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The answer is yes and no.
I'm a bit sheltered in that I am fortunate enough to go to a great high school.
We've not had but one major fight in my high school career, and nobody has died in a drunk driving accident or anything like that.
It's pretty tame.
At the same time, it's very Christian-oriented and conservative, even though it's a public school.
Christian behaviour is expected of everyone.
I, being an Atheist and highly liberal, have trouble fitting in with the jocks/preps.
Our school has lots of Christian jocks and preps, which makes for different kinds of cliques.
We have jocks and preps who are REALLY nice and get along with everyone, yet they are undeniably preps and jocks.
It's the one that are die-hard conservative Christians that you have to watch out for.
They're the most brutal.
At the same time, we have one of the highest amounts of drug use in most of northern Indiana, so there's that.
We have two polar extremes, and the two tend to stay away from each other.
And then you have the people who bridge those gaps, and they bring the cliques together.
So basically, you can divide the groups up, but they generally get along.
We have plenty of "drama", although that term angers me (it sounds fairly immature, and in a way it's slang).
I originally went to Goshen High School, and now I go to Fairfield.
Goshen was awful.
Everyone was white trash, in a bad way, and there were fights even in elementary school.
I transfered after second grade, which was wonderful.
We do have plenty of rich kids, but for the most part you really can't tell.
There're lots of preps who wear name-brand clothes but are actually poor.
They shop at Goodwill.
So it's really all a great situation.
We have our problems (religion...) but overall everyone gets along nicely.
And as for bullying, it's there, but not much.
I've known three or four people who have actually been "bullied" on a regular basis.
I was for about a semester, but then I found out the guy was doing it good-naturedly, and he thought it was a sort of bonding (it was mostly verbal, and he was pretty dumb. White trash all the way)
But yeah, not all high schools are like that.
I personally think all these teen movies exaggerate stuff like that.

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Um. I have to disagree with most of what has been said here, especially the person who said girls lure other girls to parties to embarrass them. That's a load of crap.

I've never seen someone actually get bullied by a group of guys, being thrown into a trash can, or given a swirly. There are kind of a lot of fights, but they are usually tough guys from different groups of people, girls who hate each other, or groups of guys that dont like each other. Generally, at my school, if a kid is weird or separated from the rest of the kids, the sports-y guys kind of take them under their wing. It's not really that they are sensitive guys with big hearts - I think it's more having fun with them but not in a rude way, if that makes any sense. That said, cliques are totally extreme in my school, but it's mostly based on race. That could just be where I live, but in general people hang with others of their race. We have a ton of diversity at my school and we all talk to each other and have no big racism problem, that's just the way it goes. Most of the fights are between separate races. It's not racism, it's just cliques that happen to be of different races. There are the stereotypical cliques within that, too, though, like the "goth" kids, the "jocks", the "hicks", the "drama kids", the "mean girls" (who are probably the worst people in the whole building). Girls are awful. They talk behind each other's backs, but theres no big plot or anything, there is just extreme two-faced-ness going on. Girls are also really quick to judge and spread rumors about someone they dont even know, and there is not a lot of confrontation that goes on with the girls in my school. People like Trevor, in my school, would most likely either be taken under someone popular's wing, embraced by the weirder, goth-y kids, or pretty much ignored altogether. There wouldnt really be any bullying going on like there is. And if he had made that video, at my school, he would be expelled immediately, without question.

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As far as cliques go, yes, American high schools have them. Is there serious bullying like what was seen in in this movie? Not everywhere. As a matter of fact, nothing like this ever went on in my high school or any school around my area that i'm familiar with. Those that were in charge would not tolerate it and I think, for the most part, the kids here don't find that type of stuff "cool" or funny. I live in the south so I can't speak for what happens elsewhere(if it is any different). But, honestly, I think bullying in high school has become less blatant. Like for example, instead of getting stuffed in a trash can, you're alienated or talked about behind your back or maybe even where you can hear it. But I think you have it right as far as the role materialism plays in it because a lot of times people talk about you if are wearing an item of clothing that they don't think looks good or if your shoes aren't brand new. Materialism and environments that don't teach tolerance of others and/or environments that don't teach you to be down to earth are what create those type of problems in American schools.

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My high school wasn't like this but my junior high school was. This movie really hit close to home. I think Ben Foster did a great job!

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I went to about 7 different high schools in California, all over the state actually, during my 3 1/2 years in highschool (I graduated early). The reason I went to so many is because my parents divorced and I was moved temporarily from family member to family member.

I can tell you with certainty that yes, many highschools are just like this. The highschool I went to in northern California (Susanville area) was a highschool that was predominately white. At this high school, kids were allowed to go off campus for lunch, and it wasn't uncommon for fights to turn into stabbings at the park, which was across the street from school, with the view blocked by a hotel. I was never a troubled student, and actually got really high grades, but became a target of people who obviously had problems at home and took out their anger on those they perceived as weaker than themselves.

I only had to defend myself once when a bully took it too far and jumped me when I was buying lunch one day. After I beat him severely, nobody picked on me anymore. In some highschools, violence is the only way to be dominate and avoid being harassed, unless you come from a wealthy family.

The second highschool I went to was in Fullerton California, by Anaheim (Disneyland). This was by far the best highschool I've ever been to. The teachers were great, there weren't any fights on campus because police officers patrolled it, and the students were allowed to leave for lunch. I thrived here and made more friends in one year than I did during my freshman and softmore years in Susanville. The cliques lines blurred in Fullerton and no one group seemed to discriminate against another. Everyone was cool with each other.

My senior year was tough because I ended up in Tulare County, where Teen pregnancies are some of the highest in the Untied States. In this area, which is predominately Mexican, I had to learn to avoid the many gangs that dominate the schools. I went to four different schools in 3 months because I couldn't stand how low the education standards are (they were teaching seniors things I had learned in 7th grade in Susanville). On top of that, I asked a teacher after class one day for help on my homework and she told me she was, "off the clock." I couldn't believe it.

Shootings off campus are common there and because of that reason, the schools have 12 foot fences that lock the students in after 8:20am. I saw so many stabbings in 3 months that I opted to take a test to apply for TAPP (Teen Age Pregnancy Program), which is a school that helps all the pregnant girls get through highschool and achieve an education. Even though I'm a male, I was accepted into the school, which I found to be a delightful experience. The classrooms were small and the teachers cared about the students.

My other family members weren't so lucky and ended up becoming gang members and victims of gang violence. One of my immediate family members had to flee the state because his life was threatened. Highschool in America can be harsh, especially in really big cities where schools are over populated or in small communities where communities are also over populated. Poverty seems to take hold of some of these communities and the students suffer.

While some of the above posters are lucky in that they've never experienced some of the harsh realities of highschool, some of us were not so lucky and had to endure ridiculous amounts of bullying, violence, and emotional/mental abuse. Sometimes the school acts and helps students, other times, the school turns a blind eye and the abuse escalates. Columbine is a perfect example of school officials not doing enough. Preventative measures probably could have saved a lot of lives if the bullying and name calling was responded to quickly and severely.

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Great post jusdafide! I'd say that sums up many schools in America well. There can be a big difference in quality depending on the area.

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I'm just going to say for the record that not ALL American schools are like this but A LOT are. Mine for example was kind of bad. I ended up dropping out, but that has nothing to do with life skills. Kids shouldnt treat other kids bad because they think they are better. It's pathetic. Anyone that says any different needs some help.

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I went to high school in Western New York, and nothing like any of this ever happened. If you were a jock picking on some socially awkward kid, people looked down on you for choosing an easy target. At my school a bunch of our star athletes were also in the musicals, and there weren't really defined cliques. I don't know of many schools where simply walking down the hall will get you beat up, as shown in this film...usually you have to be doing something or in a gang to get into a fight.

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