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Unrealistic, horrible movie *spoilers*


I just wanna say that I thoroughly dislike the film. However, during the first half I thought it was well edited and decent, however, when I saw the ending... wow. Firstly, this movie is more about being bullied than anything else. It first seems to be based on someone like dylan klebold (knowledge of explosives, vengeance, plan to wipe the school off the map, and suicide). But its quickly apparent this is far from the truth, its just a movie about an intervention. And if you want at least some sort of realism on the subject, at least watch elephant or zero day. Neither the kids from those movies would do anything but shoot to kill if you told them to "put down the gun"... and you should have tried that approach on eric and dylan, lol. they were not bullied. and then in the end i see the main shooter (who didnt shoot anything) in this damn play. Yeah, real keen.

its like this is supposed to be a "prevention" movie for kids who watch degrassi to check out. For an actual chilling, REALISTIC version, i suggest Elephant.

Oh, and "metal detectors in the school"...uhhh... i dont really think... most people who assault their school even HIDE their guns.

Also, this seemed to be a very teeny-bopper take on this issue, ignoring many things. For one, "trevor" didnt try to keep his plan secret at all. They even see it coming. Also, if its at all based on columbine that was meant to wipe the school off the map, not just a shooting. If eric and dylan were still alive, and they found out what happened to their plan, they'd kill themselves alll over again.

And naturally, i gotta say something like "i dont condone attacks on schools", and i dont. this movie just really disappointed me.

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Another unrealistic thing (and I find this in ALOT of teen movies) is that the teacher is solely interested in having Trevor in the play based on sympathy. In real life drama teachers only care about having the drama students who can actually act to be in their plays. It's all about the talent and less about the person's issues. I also laughed when in "A Walk to Remember" the main boy was forced to be in the school play without having to audition. These days people wouldve killed to be the main lead in a school play.

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"These days people wouldve killed to be the main lead in a school play."

You'd be surprised...Interest is waining.

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ACKtually, my brother was a LOT like Trevor in high school, and he also starred in our school's production of Bang Bang You're Dead. It was eerie watching this movie with my family. We were all looking at my brother. It made perfect sense to us seeing the teacher in the movie pursue Trevor (who was one of the teacher's best drama students the year before) for the lead. I bet a lot of drama teachers gave the role to the student who most reminded them of the character.


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what

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how old are you?!

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i don´t care if it´s realistic or not if you want more realism then go and get a time capsule or something and go back 9 years ago to columbine.....that´s only for you´re realism wish ;-)

people can be so stupid

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Oh, and "metal detectors in the school"...uhhh... i dont really think... most people who assault their school even HIDE their guns.

You obviously have a very closed idea about this. I went to a high school that was renowned for gang violence. We had metal detectors because yes people actually conceal weapons. Gang members would have to carry them constantly. So yeh those metal detectors are actually very realistic. Also if someone is going to assault a school they would hide the guns till they got to their best vantage point.

This movie was not meant to be based on any previous school shooting. You missed the total point of this movie. It was meant to show the real issues that are happening in schools and why kids are driven to the edge of wanting to commit suicide, shootings, bombings, etc. It also shows the small amount that schools are doing to fix the issues of bullying.

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I'm sorry but I agree with the OP. The first half of this movie started off really well. There was some great character development many shades of gray. At some point this just turned into an after school special. You've got the troubled teens, the "evil" jock who just doesn't understand, the "good" jock who sees the error in his ways, even the adults who understand what they have done wrong. The thing that really annoyed me was the kid who, after getting busted for trying to shoot up his school, mutters a line about getting in trouble.

Granted this was a movie, i.e. requires some suspension of disbelief, but I just didn't buy it.

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During my days my communities didn't have them because it wasn't a big cities. Stories of metal detectors being used in big cities due to the gang violence in which there were a handful of coverage during the 1990s. The movie does show the issues of being in school a lot of which starts in Junior High/Middle School and continues into High School. I seen it where Cliques look down on people and if you don't fit their standards you are treated badly which includes insults, bullying, and so forth. These cliques continue in college and when they are of drinking age in the bars because bars become social clubs for their cliques.

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You know, I acually disagree... You see, the movie is one of my favorite movies, I have never watched Degrassi (I've heard of it, but I heard it was pretty crappy), I found this movie to be very real. I come from a school that has metal detectors, the kids were very mean and judgemental towards each other, there were cliques that if you weren't a part of, you were a loser, or some that if you were part of, you were a loser. I myself was in one of the "religious" cliques, me being LDS... And even then, the "Jocks" would come over and push us down the stairs, or charge into us against the lockers.

I think the thing is is that alot of the bigger teens, like the Jocks, feel that to make themselves seem bigger and cooler, they have to "Haze" teens that are smaller, or less able to stand for themselves. It's been known forever, not a new thing.

Thats another thing. I hate when the Jack says "It's just hazing, it's something EVERY kid goes through, so it's not a big deal. It's happened for years, like a rite of passage." Just because it has happened for years, which it has, it doesn't make it right. Just because it's happened to you, two wrongs don't make a right. Alot of people look at it differently, but no matter what, it's wrong.

Also, to the kids that shoot up the schools, or kill themselves, or others because of it, you need to grow up. Let me tell you a story about my life, kids. When I was in 9th grade, the doctor gave me the wastebasket diagnosis of ADHD, which basically gave my mom a reason to shove pills down my throat to put me out of my misery. After that, I had lost my appetite, so I became tall and gangly. Now, when you're in high school and tall and gangly, it doesn't work out for you too well. I've been shoved into trash cans, slammed into lockers, there was this one guy who was talking on the phone with his girlfriend, and she bet him that he wouldn't punch me in the mouth, and he said, "how much?", and then he socked me in the mouth, then said, "Thanks... You just made me 10 bucks." Then, at my house, my mom and dad would fight, and beat the crap out of my brothers and I. But you know what, I am 23 now with a beautiful wife and baby boy, and I have never been in jail, never cut my wrist, never tried to kill myself, never tried to shoot up schools, nothing. So if anyone uses they excuse, "I was bullied, so I'm gonna shoot the people in the school", then you need to grow up and stop that.

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You obviously didnt understand the point of that movie. You were stronger. You had that something inside that kept you from going over the edge. Others don't. Telling them to "grow up and stop that?"

You just made the same excuse the main jock did. He got bullied but never shot anyone, why should you feel bad for someone who wants to?

BTW, apparently the dialog used in the final goodbyes in the car, plus the main kids video on bullying were snippets taken from writings and documents from recent school shootings.



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Couldn't have said it better myuself safex11.

Having been born with only four fingers on my left hand I was mercilessly harassed in elementary school. The thing that I hated, and I mean HATED was that nobody ever noticed or cared when I got picked on but I got in trouble every time I retalliated. What was even worse was that my mom worked at the same elementary that I went to so she heard about it every time too, which would end up in me getting in trouble at school AND at home for retalliating while only maybe one or two of the people in the entirity of my elementary years that picked on me was ever caught. It's extremely unfortunate that it has taken the loss of lives for school officials to care about bullying; it has a major psychological impact on a lot of people that only those who have been bullied physically or verbally can really understand.

As you said, some people have something inside of them that stops them from going over the edge, but others don't. Unfortunately, few peolpe see that and fewer care, as evidenced by the way people who are bullied are expected and enccouraged to "get over it" and pretend that it never happened rather than to stand up for themselves in any way, shape, or form.

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You know, I agree with everything you said up until the end. Maybe you just have that X the teacher mentioned in the movie. Just because many of us are strong enough to rise above what happened and make something of ourselves, there are many others who just can't. They don't have that piece of them that you do.

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oh so you hated this movie because it didn't accurately depict Columbine? because that was the point, right?

trevor didn't try to keep his plan a secret? what are you even talking about? how stupid are you? how badly do you need to be another imdb troll? is this your life? is this what you do? do you have a job? do you get paid to talk like a 3rd grader? get a new job, talking like a 2nd grader pays more.

nothing you said even comes close to a good reason to hate this movie. NONE of it! what are you even trying to do? piss us off? good work. it's too bad i just happen to have the time of night to tell you off, like the rest of us. don't ever open your mouth again.

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^ what they said.

It's stupid to hate a movie because it didn't depict reality or past events.

The film is an exaggeration, sadly this is very typical, but coming from someone in California, I might be less experienced than those in smaller states since the more people you have in school, the more likely you have of finding someone to be friends with. Cliques are the easiest way to depict the status of people in schools, but in films they strengthen the clique-factor so it's easy to understand. Maybe the jocks aren't all bullies in real life, but there are bullies, and it's usually the more privileged and popular students. I have yet to hear about the all-star quarterback with no issues shooting up a school.

The ending of the film shows the reason for the entire film and it sums it up quite perfectly.

This film is awesome and there is a high school near me (I didn't go there) that has metal detectors. The name is Independence High School in California.

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The one starting this thread must be ignorant. I feel bad for you.



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I didn't really care for the movie either. The editing seemed very forced and it hasn't aged well. The writing of the film seemed to be done by the drama teacher in the film. Cliche after cliche. At the end, during the play, I simply couldn't contain myself when the evil jock was seen realizing his evildoing. The character development was absolute garbage. Trevor never evolves, except when he suddenly gets a crush and friends, and then he suddenly realizes it's bad to kill. No one has any depth. Things just change because then everyone gets to be the good guy, but there is no real reason for it. It becomes black and white. Why wouldn't the trogs just blow Trevor's brains out?

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Just to add- I agree with the poster before me about the forced ending. I found that the jock watching the play and realising the error of his ways to be cringeworthy as well. Ben Foster was brilliant in it, though- I couldn't tear my eyes off him!

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