Who was Katie having sex with if Benjamin was dead? It was the scene where you could hear two people having sex, but then Elizabeth walked into a room to find Benjamin dead..Just wondering. Maybe I'm totally missing something.
shareI was thinking the same thing! Maybe she was doing herself???????
shareI'm thinking it was Adam (Eddie Kaye Thomas). He wasn't really dead after all...remember? When Christian tricked Elizabeth into confessing and Adam said, "Mornin', sunshine." And she realized that they had pretended to be dead.
-Christina O.
It could have been anyone except the two that were talking about people having sex in the next room.
shareSPOILERS!
Technically, Benjamin wasn't REALLY dead (he was just faking, remember?) and Elizabeth takes a little trip to the bathroom before talking with Piper in the room, giving Benji enough time to get to Kate. I however, honestly thought "Okay, she just got done talking to Benjamin, and walks in to find Piper, sitting alone while two people have sex. Since she thinks Adam is dead, wouldn't the only possible partner for Kate be CHRISTIAN?!?! And she does nothing." But maybe no one was really having sex and Kate was just faking it to give Piper an excuse to get Elizabeth for confess.
I think that Piper wasn't really having sex with anyone. If you listen closely, you never hear a man. You only hear Piper and somr noise made from banging against the wall. I think the group had her do that to confuse Elizabeth, and the writers just put it in as a red herring for the audience.
sharei can't believe January Jones, she is hot!... anyway i can't believe her character was willing to sleep with her half-brother...
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It wasn't piper having sex, it was Kate. This question was the only part of the movie that stuck with me since the whole thing sucked. I knew from the very first second that I saw Eddie-Kaye Thomas that it was hoax. I could tell as much from the blonde girl's terrible acting as I could from the ridiculous staging. It seemed as though the actress playing the blonde girl (Elizabeth?) knew it was fake, even though her character wasn't supposed to know that. She was way too calm about the whole situation and so was he. It was obvious that Christian was the one doing the "killing". And when that fake-death plot twist was "revealed" half way through the movie I knew that he was then going to go on to kill everyone for real. And when they sat down to dinner at the end I knew he had poisoned the wine for both of them.
As for this burning question of who was having sex with Kate, the question is not who was having sex with her but why on earth Elizabeth wasn't wondering who was having sex with her. The two guys other than Christian were already "dead" as far as she knew. Piper was sitting in the hallway and Elizabeth went and talked to Christian . . . that covers everyone other than Kate. Even if she didn't know the guy in the bathtub was "dead" yet, she found out just a few seconds after hearing the "sex" and talking to Piper. Why would she not be saying, "who the hell is Kate having sex with?"
What a damn stupid movie.
HeKS
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by - champb42 (Thu Apr 15 2004 06:55:31 )
i can't believe January Jones, she is hot!
you can say that again!
by - HeKS (Tue Jun 15 2004 17:16:00 )
I knew that he was then going to go on to kill everyone for real. And when they sat down to dinner at the end I knew he had poisoned the wine for both of them.
yea, HeKS just knew it, and he knew it all exactly how it will happen from the begining.
No really, I understand u're tryin to say that the movie was predictable, but don't try to convince us you just knew there will be another killings before it happened or they'll end poisoned cos that's bulls***, after seeing it many ppl think they knew but no one really CAN know wtf will happen.
Anyways, what i didn't understood is why was Christian forced to kill them all for real now, they were like inocents. Oh ya, "the hooker" thought on something, but they could've find a way to make her silent. Guess that way the mouvie wouldn't become the horror it is now..
Hey duk3,
Hard to believe a year has passed since I saw this movie.
Anyway, I didn't simply mean that the movie was predictable and forumlaic in a general sense . . . I meant I actually guessed every major event before it either happened or was revealed/explained. I obviously don't mean that when I put in the DVD I already knew everything that was going to happen. Rather, I mean exactly what I said in my post:
1) When the first guy was "killed" I strongly sensed that it was faked . . . and if THAT death was faked, then I assumed that all the other deaths to come must be fake also. I correctly predicted this from the first shot of the first death.
2) When the fact that the "killings" were all fake was revealed half way through the movie, I said to myself: "Since there's still about an hour left in this movie, there needs to be a twist. My bet is that everyone is going to get killed for real." In a few minutes, people started being killed for real.
3) When the two of them sat down at the table at the end I figured there was no way they were going to let these two characters live . . . and since the whole movie seemed like a lame Shakespearean rip-off, I guessed that poison was going to be how they went out . . . and based on that premise, the logical choice for where the poison would be was in the wine.
It was really all fairly simple and obvious.
HeKS
Yea it seems logical enough, it's the way you bragged about you knew all that irritated me. It's ok now, I understood what u ment.
I act different when I see a movie for the first time, I try to stay focused on the present action and be totally opened towards it, not thinking what is supposed to happen or what I imagine they will do, giving the movie some space to surprise me. I discovered that's an option that squeezes a little more entertainment from a movie than analising and predicting events.
Greetz
Well I wasn't intending to brag. I was just pointing out how totally obvious I found the movie's twists and turns and how formulaic it was. I imagine I wasn't the only one who predicted everything that was going to happen.
As for the way you watch movies, staying focused on the present, that's a completely valid way of doing it . . . and all the more power to ya.
Take care.
HeKS
i havent seen the movie in a while but i think i remember that the bangning noise was from and open window right? doesnt someone walk into a room and close the window so it stops banging. that would explain one noise.
shareThat's right. Obviously kate was faking it but I wonder why Elizabeth didn't question it? Maybe cuz right then they found ben. Or maybe she thought that ben and she had sex and then he went in the bathtub. She totally didn't react to the killings at all. Her acting was less than stellar. So she was blackmailing everyone? Even Kate? She wasn't blackmailing piper right? she just had her lose he bf (nick stahl). They must have gone to him and said they were being blackmailed and thought she did it so he set up the night. Also, what happened to their dad and how did her mother die? I don't get why he killed his friends at the end. He prolly didn't want them to possibly find out but then all he had to do was kill her (Elizabeth). The problem would have been solved!
shareI didn't understand why everyone was really slaughtered in the end. Obviously, these people didn't exactly hang around eachother in the past year, so why would Christian care what they thought about his "principles"? Why were his stupid "family values" important anough to kill people over? Was he driven crazy by finding out he slept w/ his own sister?
Did anyone else besides Christian and Elizabeth know about the history between the two of them? She said something about having the proof of what they did - did she think she was pregnant? All three parents are dead, anyway - w/o a DNA test, she wouldn't be able to prove they were related. It would be her word against his.
What was the reason Elizabeth made Christian wait so long to have sex w/ him? She was obviously going to, anyway, since she answered "Yes" on the game card. I "think" she was grossed out by the thought of her brother sleeping w/ her, although she didn't seem to have a problem screwing him after she thought all of her party guests had been in on that huge "joke" on her. Wouldn't she have been more pissed at herself for getting caught, not horny? Or was trapping him her "Plan B" if the blackmailing was found out? I don't see why Christian would be afraid of her telling people, since she has no proof, and unless she gets pregnant or goes straight to the hospital for a rape kit, there's no way she could prove what they did together.
What was the significance to having the tape player going on by itself, repeating the conversation between Christian and Elizabeth during the real murders?
Who did Christian sleep w/ to make him a hypocrite? Was it b/c of the threesome between him, Piper and Kate? Was Kate supposed to be Piper's best friend? If it had really been a year between the two visits (Elizabeth's "small talk" made me think she really had no first hand knowledge about what the other four were up to), how did Elizabeth get Piper and Kate to sleep w/ Christian? How could a person plan that?
Who told Elizabeth about her parentage, if her mother and father were killed before they could explain anything to her? Who raised her all these years?
Also, what the heck did Christian originally see (supposedly) in Piper? She seemed like the opposite of his personality. In a way, his relationship w/ Elizabeth was more believeble. If Piper knew about the blackmail, why didn't she tell Christian? Actually, why did they all wait so long to tell Christian? I can't believe he, of the mighty Principle, would go along w/ the joke on Elizabeth and act like her fiance? Although, I think he still did love her, even after what she did, since he said, "She's still my fiance", when they asked him why he cared to go after her. I guess his love for her really was what made him crazy enough to kill them all, and then set up the "Death by Rothschild '54" murder/suicide (made the same year our father wa born, heh). He was actually still crazy enough to want to prove to ABSOLUTELY NO ONE that he still have principles and he wasn't a bad name for his family. Duh. I mean, the first person to stumble across that mess is going to think, "Christian Turner blew away all of his friends, then killed himself and fiance by poison. Man, he really is his father's son, times 10." Idiot.
I've got two good posts in me and I just wrote my third...
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spolier-
If you had watched more of the movie remember that at that time no one was dead.