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Hard to understand outside the culture


I'm grateful for the IMDB, where I can come to read threads that help me to understand a film. This is one, in particular, I found quite difficult.

I'm an American, and I really wanted to understand the culture represented here better. But it was so confusing to me, having grown up with more freedom. Zaza is said to be 31, but he doesn't date anyone outside of those his parents choose for him. That's quite odd to me. Is that really the way it works? Also, I was quite angry at the family for barging in on his date with Judith. And Zaza's mother calling Judith a whore - right in front of her daughter! It was just unthinkable to me! The way the family came in and all the women began snooping around the apartment, it was quite shocking. Why didn't Judith ask them to leave? Zaza's mother, at one point, mentions that Zaza has filled Judith's refrigerator with food using his father's credit card. Are we, the audience, meant to take that as fact? Does Judith have a job? Didn't she purchase anything in her refrigerator? If that's true, as an outsider, I needed that explained to me in some way, because my feeling was that the family was exceedingly rude to her. I would have much preferred seeing Zaza's father go in to speak to Judith and Zaza alone, not this whole family bursting in.

After that scene, it was hard for me to see how Zaza would ever be able to forgive his family for their intrusion. I know I wouldn't. But his mother says some tender words to him in his apartment a little later and all is forgotten. Quite odd, I thought. Later, at the wedding, Zaza brings his mother up on stage to say she's more beautiful than his new wife. I'm guessing this is customary within the culture? After what his mother had done to intrude on his privacy, I truly don't even see how she could have been invited to the wedding, let alone exulted in front of the guests. But then, he did appear to be drunk (that business in the bathroom with his father - what son looks at his father while he urinates and compliments his, um, equipment?!, the fact that his friends are trying to pull him off the stage during his speech, the way he grabs his new wife's breasts in front of everyone), so I imagine he was probably being sarcastic, in which case, I couldn't understand why his mother (as the domineering woman she had shown herself to be throughout the film) wouldn't force him from the platform. Very confusing, the entire last scene, I thought.

Also confusing for me was the way the mother apologized later to Judith. I couldn't understand her motivation for doing so. She seemed to have such contempt for this woman. She called her a whore, for goodness sake! In front of her young daughter! Judith was quite strong to be able to forgive this woman, I thought. Then the woman goes back out to the car and calls her husband a coward because he didn't go in to speak with Judith. Very controlling and domineering, again. But then, in the first scene she's shown actually bathing him, as though he wasn't able to wash himself.

So what I'm saying is that I found the situations in the film very different from the way life around me works, and therefore needed more of a guide from the filmmaker that this is another world, another reality. I needed to be brought into the reality somehow so that I could understand it from their point of view. I think, largely, that's why the film didn't work for me. There are many foreign films I've loved over the years, and I think it's because I was allowed a window into that world - a way of understanding a culture that was different from my own. In this film, I felt I didn't have that understanding.

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I live in suburban upstate New York, about as far from the setting of this movie as I could be. Maybe it does depict that culture accurately, or maybe not, but understanding that culture is not necessary to appreciate the movie. There are selfish, unreasonable, cruel, unscrupulous, weak and cowardly people--in short: bullies and their victims--in every culture and in almost every family. That's who this movie is about. You don't need to be a Georgian Israeli or know anything about their culture to find people like that.

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There are some cultures--Orthodox Judaism is another, though this family clearly isn't Orthodox--where sex outside of marriage is greatly discouraged, and arranged marriages at a relatively young age are the norm. You're not expected to date anyone for more than a few months without getting engaged, nor to play the field and find someone you prefer to all others. You're expected to marry some suitable family-screened person of good family and make a life with him or her. Hence, the family's feeling Zaza is a bit of a disgrace for refusing to settle down before he's 30.

That being the case, no, they wouldn't just send the dad up to Judith's apartment to try to politely reason with the couple. They would show up in force to embarrass the crap out of their kid in the hopes of making him see sense. You're SUPPOSED to be appalled at that scene, because they are being terribly cruel to Judith, and cutting Zaza's balls off in front of her. At the same time, they are in a way right, because no matter how hot the sexual connection, Zaza is not a good match for Judith because he is not his own man. If he were, he'd be earning his own living at 31, and have been prepared to marry her without parental consent and hope they'd come around later.

My guesses as to why Judith didn't throw them out: 1) she was shocked into temporary immobility by their en masse rudeness, 2) she desperately needed to understand the family dynamics, and this might be her only chance to observe them or ingratiate herself with the relatives, and 3) she needed to see if Zaza would man up and defend her, or cave. Don't get all hung up on the technicalities of how much of the food Judith bought for herself. Zaza just arrived with a ton of groceries, and his mom is understandably pissed off that he's spending lots of their money on his illicit love interest, while passive-aggressively refusing to give any of the proposed matches a chance.

He forgave his mother because he's loved her for 31 years, and in her way she loves him totally and wants the best for him. In some ways a recent love interest just can't compete with that, particularly in a traditional culture where so much of who you are is defined by family.

Boy, did you miss the point in the reception scene. Zaza was drunkenly trying to make a scene by pawing publicly at his new wife, and then embarrassing her by declaring he had a more beautiful woman (obviously meaning Judith). His father saved the situation by bringing his mother up to the stage as the "more beautiful" woman in his life. That wasn't Zaza's idea at all, but he realized he had to accept it, because Judith has permanently cashiered him for being spineless, he's married now, and he has to make the best of his new relationship.

The only part of the movie I found confusing was the mother's coming to talk with Judith and make peace. I'm thinking there may have been some transitional scene left on the cutting room floor that would have shown her having remorse and second thoughts, in light of Judith's dignity under attack (not to mention Zaza's continued unhappiness--there's a hint that mom might eventually have come around if Zaza hadn't and if Judith would still take him back). Notice that Zaza's grandmother gave Judith a kind gesture on the way out of her apartment. Perhaps the grandmother and mother had a talk.

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