Why the hell would mr. killer Tim Roth shoot Emmett through the door? Emmett still trusted him, because he seemed to believe his story. He should've just rang the damn doorbell saying he had remembered somethin and shot emmett while sitting on the couch with a cup of coffee. Does anyone else think that was a pretty stupid plot twist?
shareThat was actually the point. Roth couldn't face the one he kills. That theme was running all through the film, from the first dialogue with Byrne over his death (blows always to the back of his head) to Roth's final inability to pull the trigger.
It wasn't a twist. It was his Achilles heel.
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Well, damn
shareI disagree strongly...
Roth beat both his previous victims to death, remember??? (Not that I've done it) but probably one of the hardest things to do is strangle or beat someone to death, both physically and mentally. To quote my UK friends, "He had the minerals."
The reason Roth didn't shoot him is two-fold.
1st, (the easiest) Young had the opportunity to fire back. Roth killed Byrne cause he treated him like a loser and bad person. Roth probably got that vibe from the 1st "young detective" he murdered in the past, since he felt he was passed over. Young submitted. Young didn't disrespect Roth or make him out to be a loser, even in what could've been Young's last moments; All that after both men knew Young DID have the rest of his life to live. Watch it again, Young has the gun and could raise it to fight, but instead accepts his fate. Roth respects that.
2nd, (the best) Roth saw himself and his past in Young. (Remember when Roth's looking at all Young's pictures on the wall, he literally SAW himself in Young...) Roth killed the previous "young detective" because he felt that guy wasn't better than him and not worthy of the promotion. With Young, Roth's been following him, so he knows, as far as the case goes, that Young was a good detective and doing things (at worst) correctly and (at best) better than he would've. That's why he gives Young Alison Moore's message about Vics... The only evidence with-held from Young. Remember, Roth investigated Vics and really couldn't get far... him giving that to Young and holding his hand was Roth seeing Young as a man who DESERVED everything he accomplished, DESERVED a chance to solve the case, and DESERVED to live.
Experience, though quite valuable, is something you only get just after you really need it.
I don't think the detective's home address was written on the business card he gave the killer.... What I want to know is how did he miss him shooting through the door? :)
Were we supposed to be satisfied with the ending? So he found out the rapist steals tattoos....how does that help them catch him?
The way I read it was that the serial killer/rapist was the tattoist - that is how he was meeting the girls. The blonde victim went with her music-shop friend to a tattooist shortly before she was attacked (her friend tells Emmett this when he goes to see her), and that is where the dark haired victim (who lived) said she had been when she left the message on Emmett's answerphone which the hitman heard, wrote down and then erased - that is what was on the paper that he gave Emmett at the end - the clue to help Emmett catch the serial killer/rapist.
I guess the killer was cutting the tattoos off the bodies to stop himself from being identified.
Disclaimer - I had had a lot of wine to drink by the end of the film so I could be reading this completely wrong, if so feel free to correct me!
I agree. What else is the reason for cutting away pieces of skin? I agree about the wine also.
shareThe way I read it was that the serial killer/rapist was the tattoist - that is how he was meeting the girls. The blonde victim went with her music-shop friend to a tattooist shortly before she was attacked (her friend tells Emmett this when he goes to see her), and that is where the dark haired victim (who lived) said she had been when she left the message on Emmett's answerphone which the hitman heard, wrote down and then erased - that is what was on the paper that he gave Emmett at the end - the clue to help Emmett catch the serial killer/rapist.
I guess the killer was cutting the tattoos off the bodies to stop himself from being identified.
Disclaimer - I had had a lot of wine to drink by the end of the film so I could be reading this completely wrong, if so feel free to correct me!
Wouldn't of been awesome if Tim Roth and Scott Wolfe would of not ended up blowing each other too hell at the end, and would of realized their friendship, and became buddy cops and started this "Philidelphia Vice" movie spinoff? How bout it, Hollywood?
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It would have been awesome if Tim Roth had simply shot Scott Wolf whilst they were speaking on the phone. That would have made it all so much more... simple... and less to think about.
shareGreat idea.
In the pilot they could try and catch the serial killer. He would escape again and then that could be the reaccuring theme for the first season.
They catch him in the last episode of the first season, Roth's character hooks up with the female cop and Wolfe's with the school teacher.
Mine is a more simplistic view.
He did not give his residential address to tim roth, just his business card.
Thats why!
Er...what?
Tim Roth knows where Emmett lives cuz Gabriel Byrne told him....what's with all that confusion about the businesss card?
Okay, you can go home now.
If the home adress is not on the business card, it would be suspicious for the Roth character to show up at his door. How would he know where he lived?
Are you really that dumb? Roth had been inside Emmett's home a million times previously. He stole his frigging bullets for goodness sake. Were you watching the same movie?
shareHe didn't entirely miss him, he had been hit and was bleeding, maybe at least from the door splinters. Good catch about him not facing his victims. If Emmett had opened the door to him, he would have been extremely suspicious, as the Roth character shouldn't have known his address. The business card would have had the police station number on it. Emmett wouldn't have trusted him anyway, as he was the prime suspect in the murder of the Byrne character. His false identity wouldn't have stood up to investigation.
The phone message was from a victim that survived, saying she had been at the club called Vic's. The Roth character goes there to ask questions, apparently a lame attempt to solve the case himself. When Emmett sees the note again after his recovery, he goes there. The barmaid he wants to question is gone at the time, so when he turns around he notices the tattoo parlor. That's when he realizes tattoos are the connection between the victims, as the missing pieces of skin would have had tattoos that would lead the police to the killer. So he essentially cracked the case, even though we don't get to see that part of the story.
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The business card would have had the police station number on it.
I think it's you and the other poster (radb707) who are entirely missing the point. The OP's suggestion was that it would have been completely okay and not to all suspicious for Roth to just ring the doorbell and wait until Scott Wolfe opened the door, instead of shooting through it.
But he HAD no legitimate reason to know Scott Wolfe's address.
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Emmett didn't trust Roth. He didn't believe his story all the way, cause he noticed all the stuff thrown in Roth's closet. That plus their's a witness who comes forward that Roth was in the alley and Roth says he stayed in all night... someone's lying. Emmett is suspicious but don't mistake how he acted with the "big" case as his style. His hurried nature was to solve that "big" case before he died. Not that he's gonna take his time with this one, but, knowing he doesn't have Lawson's, he's more coy and sensible as a detective. Don't mistake that as trust.
Roth didn't trust Emmett. I mean, he WAS at his apartment in the 1st place. Roth was debating whether he should shoot Emmett right then in the apartment, remember??? When he went to fix that drink, he had the gun out, put it in his pants, and finally in his coat pocket.
What both new, like some other posters have said, is it would've been extremely strange and suspicious to Emmett for Roth to be at the door.
Experience, though quite valuable, is something you only get just after you really need it.