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This show went from "Great" to "Oh, come on!"


I recently finished the Alias marathon of all 5 seasons.

The first two seasons were great and I really enjoyed them. It was great to see all the dangers Sydney had to go through to bring down SD-6 and The Alliance. With the fall of The Alliance the show started to go downhill. It was lacking a clear enemy and direction. I understand the creators and writers wanted to move to a new direction and introduce new characters and plotlines, but with the exception of Melissa George (Lauren Reed in season 3), they were all uninteresting. Particularly Balthazar Getty (Thomas Grace in Season 5) and Rachel Nichols (Rachel Gibson in Season 5) were bland and forgettable. I know it was an attempt to introduce new characters instead of Sydney and Vaughn, but the choices were poor. But these are not the things that bothered me the most.

What drove me insane were the incredibly stupid decisions of characters and nonsensical and unexplained story arcs.
First of all, there were so many times that Sydney, Vaughn, Jack and others were betrayed by Sloane, Irina, Sark and others and they trust them again and again which leads to another betrayal. There were so many times when I yelled at the screen: "Shoot him/her. You've got a gun in your hand, use it. Just shoot him/her and a great deal of your problems will be over." But nooooooooo, why bother? Let's put some more trust into the person who will inevitably betray you again and maybe even try to kill you. Sloane, Sark, Irina, Katya, Elena Derevko, Lauren Reed, etc. Or at least have that person arrested and locked somewhere noone ever finds them again and throw away the key. No, why bother, right? Make sure you keep on visiting that person repeatedly until they find a way to get to you. I could go on like this all day.

The other thing was the impossibility of some events - most of all the shooting of Vaughn. I know the creators intended Sydney and Vaughn to have a happy ending and so it was obvious Vaughn would come back, but the shooting was simply impossible to survive. He took some 10 to 15 bullets to chest and his internal organs would have been shredded. No way he would have survived that. Plus many more instances of simply impossible to survive situations.

The last nuisance was the whole Rambaldi plot. I never really understood who he was. A great inventor - sure, why not. But there's no way in hell he would have known anything about genetics and mobile phones. How the heck did he come up with that Horizon? A levitating sphere granting eternal life? Hello? And other inventions? Like brain-wave scan in 15th century? How did he know what brain-waves are and how did he know the exact patters of Nadya? Sure, he's just a McGuffin and some suspension of disbelief is required, but this was stretching it.

Like I said, I enjoyed the show in the first and second season, the third one was ok, but the fourth and especially the fifth one diminished the previous viewing experience. I would still rate is a 6 out of 10. It is definitely worth checking out.

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I loved the first two seasons. After that It went off the rails. I hated the romance between Syd & Vaughn, the love/hate between Syd and her father, bounced around too much, but the longevity of Arvin Sloane really ruined it for me. He really should have died in S2. And them all working for him again in later seasons really killed it for me. Of all the people Jack murdered over the years, I can't fathom he didn't just strangle him, he had many opportunities. On the plus side I always was entertained by Sydney and Sark, they both always rocked it no matter how bad the plots got.

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Really? I actually loved the romance between Sydney and Vaughn in Alias even though I hated what they did with Vaughn in Season 5 with him having a second hidden Wife and the relationship between Sydney and Vaughn was a big part of the reason I liked Alias and I am not usually a big fan of the main relationships in Action and Sci Fi TV shows. I completely agree with you about Sloane though and I heard it was 'cause JJ and the other people behind the show really liked the actor and wanted to keep him around so they turned him good for a while before turning him back into a villain. Had they kept him a villain in Season 3 and 4 it would have looked kinda silly that Sydney wasn't able to catch him after all those years.

Looking back, I love all the seasons even though there are some things I didn't like in them and I think they should have focused more on Sark as the main villain after Sloane.

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Arvin Sloane is the single greatest villain in TV history and I would put him up there with the movie greats too. So I STRONGLY disagree with you that Sloane should have died in season 2. Most definitely not. Really when you think about it, and I believe even JJ Abrams himself said this, Alias is as much about Sloane as it is about Sydney.

And I think the Jack/Sydney relationship is one of the best, if not the best, father/daughter relationship in tv history.

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It may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually enjoyed the standalone season 4 episodes, I was really getting sick of Rambaldi plots that never really seemed to go anywhere. Plus season 3 really pissed me off with the Sydney/Vaughn/Lauren love triangle. If there is one thing that I hate in TV shows, it's when there's a love triangle with characters A B and C and in order to show the audience that A and B are supposed to be together, the writers drag the character of C in the mud. That's exactely what was done to Lauren's character and I just hated it. And it didn't make me like Syd/Vaughn more, matter of fact, it kind of ruined it for me, but I already had reservations about Vaughn, how he went from desk work to handler to super field agent out of the blue was annoying, as well as how he was pining over Sydney while having a girlfriend whom he apparently dumped as soon as Sydney became "available".

Now for Rambaldi, I frankly thought that the writers had no idea where they were going with this and seeing people who apparently are CIA waste their time on a wild goose chase after some relics from a 15th century inventor, at the beginning it was fun but after a while it became tedious, especially considering that none of them seemed to really know what the point of the chase was. Although the endgame was somewhat satisfying, the eternal life plot was from season 2. Also, Rambaldi ended up being the excuse for bringing characters back to life out of nowhere, never explaining why it works in some cases and not others : Allison was shot in the chest but somehow survived because Rambaldi, same for Vaughn (the whole thing was just grotesque, I mean he took something like 20 bullets in the chest and he is sent to the hospital with "internal organs damage", you don't say, and comes back later thanks to some Rambaldi nonsense, just in time for the big finale and to have his happy ending with Sydney, come on now) but somehow, Lauren was shot too and she was really dead. Go figure.

Last thing, I don't hate Nadia, I did say that I enjoyed season 4, mostly for the change of mood, but I still think this character and that plotline were a mistake. The fact that everyone related to Sydney was a spy was a bit too much. I think it would have been better to introduce Rachel in season 4 instead of Nadia.

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Vaughn apparent survival really felt forced as though it wasn't supposed to happen that shooting was not survivable and season 5 never really felt right nadia was killed but we got her in slones head anyway.

And making slone immortal but stuck in a cave really wtf

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