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bad ending (spoiler)


I was going to give this a 7 or 8 until I saw the end. Comeon. All that to erase her file. Surely if she came anywhere near enemy agents they would remember her and shoot on site. It would have been much better had he stole some info about anything else, better mind control techniques even. Digicorp would surely have her on a printout of the 10 most wanted or something. Coulnt they have just disappeared on a small island instead of going thru all that, but then no movie of course.

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Yeah, I agree.
Although I love this movie, the ending was like "WTF? All that for a file?".
Also, it pissed me off when he threw the disc in the water. I mean, come on. What happens when it floats ashore and someone finds it?
And no, fish don't eat CDs.

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Yes, before throwing it into the water he could at least have broken the CD with his hands like he threathened to do before shooting her. But then again: this movie was just as much about certain visual style as logic style, maybe throwing it into the "endless ocean" looked better in the creators minds. And throughout the movie, a state of unrealness remained, so why should everything suddenly get boringly real at the end?

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Ending is what makes this movie.


Another mind control technique ? New super-duper special weapon ? A ton of cash ? World rule ? Screw that, all those endings would make this movie to be much more predictable and much less good.

He did it for a girl! Now that (!!) is some quality punnani we're talking about there. I can dig that.

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fully agree with the last post.
The ending made the whole acting/plot etc more human.
And, the CD-Throwing-Scene for sure was a much more outstanding scene, at least for the viewer, than e.g. just burning the cd, which would have made much more sense.
But, and i think you will agree, if we would only have films with plots full of logic and sense nobody would bother to watch anymore.

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I think they were pretty far from a coast. What is going to be the condition of a CD that's been floating in the ocean for several days, if not weeks?

Letters- easier to open than pistachios. And what's inside is more delicous.

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i agree with what comicslop says about the ending-right up to "now that is some quality punnani we're talking about there." u just ruined the momentum of your argument-ya didn't have to be so vulgar! he did it for love not a hot toasted sandwich!

but yeah considering the movie had that "main male and female character falling for each pther without really knowing each other" which is so overdone in hollywood movies-the ending gives the love between them more meaning.

bloody hell! my post has come over all romantic.



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Wait, there's a sandwich called a punnani? I'm gonna start eating that!! What's on it?

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Wait, there's a sandwich called a punnani? I'm gonna start eating that!! What's on it?




It depends from shop to shop where you buy it. On occasion you can choose what is put on it, but most of the times you have to eat it as is - and love it. Shopkeepers tend to get very upset if you even compare their sandwich to the ones from other shops, and are known to stop selling it entirely if not pleased. They can be spicey, but not something I'd recommend if you're not used to the smell and taste. Sometimes you can get it for free. Sometimes you think you're getting it for free, but infact, it's gonna cost you more than you've ever imagined. Especially for a rather common type of soft-2-piece-bread with butter sandwich. It does make a great appetizer tho.

Oh yea, if you won't something more you'll have to bring your own meat. They come plain.

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It boggles my mind that nobody replied to this.

I don't know if you'll ever read this, as I'm posting it a year after your original post, but I'm gonna post it anyway because you deserve it. Bravo Sir. Glorious.

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it would be LULZ if it washed up on shore and it was handed in to the local police station and ended up back where it started and both of them are killed and he is like "oh lol, should have cracked it first" and then he dies I would be lols.

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Yes, before throwing it into the water he could at least have broken the CD with his hands like he threathened to do before shooting her.

Or better still, he could've simply delete her file from The Vault and copied something that was actually useful. \(^^)/

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I think throughing it the ocean was fine. Have you ever tried snapping a CD or DVD with one hand? If you can actually do it and I cannot, and I'm a 15 stone male in good condition, you are more likely to cut your hands to shreds which would be a bit uncool.

I liked this film.

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I can shatter CD's in one hand, but all I get is a tiny scratch, no more. And weight alone doesn't determine hand strength, I'm just 5'11'' with 160lbs, but my hands are quite strong.

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oh yeah because you know when people take old cds out from the water and put them into their computer, well I don't because it is retarded, I can't believe anyone would suggest shuch a thing, I was going wtf all throughout your post, how old are you?

state of unrealness? You know it is a sci-fi, right?!

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The ocean would destroy the CD anyway. The salt would corrode the CD, the sun would warp it, and there are far larger creatures in the ocean than "fish." You also have to remember that they're probably hundreds of kilometres from anywhere.

As for the ending, I loved it. Why? Because I would do all that and more for a woman I loved! It also made his character into something extremely noble and good. Instead of being an industrial spy, a thief, and stealing some mundane industrial file, he becomes a noble lover who did it all for the love of a woman.

As for th kill on site security who know what Rita looks like, you forget they were blown up.I imagine Rita doesn't deal with operatives below the security chief level. By blowing them up and stealing the file, he assures that Rita will be safe and sound forever.

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Fully agreed.

The ending is just... PERFECT.

The pictures spread coldness, there's no privacy, no intimacy, it's all grey and white and super-technological. The ending just changes the mood entirely: the sun, the ocean, two lovers, a boat, and the explanation: "he did it all so that they could become independent." In this world, this ending is like the biggest contrast.

As you said: what a NOBLE protagonist, what a hopefull ending.



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Yeah? What if both chiefs didnt show at teh same time? Beyond stupid

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Yes the ending could have been better. Still 7/10 with an alternate ending it could have been 8.5

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The ending didn't really affect my opinion on the movie that much, but I'd have rather not known what was on the disk. Adds to the mystery of it all.

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I think they were trying to portray the digital age when all the inforamtion would be electronic and not stored on paper and as he deleted the master file it may have taken down all the others on her. As when the manager of the vault gives a toast to the "information age" he was ironically trying to show that it was still fallible and that this information may still be lost unless there was a human influence and as no agents actually see her until the end of the movie then they get blown up she would be fine unless there was still a file on her, whic there wasnt. Finally all the agents would have had volitile minds due to the mind control systems they were using seemed to have memory side effects so they would be unreliable.

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I also think the ending would have been better if the disk was tossed without us knowing what was on it.

I was intrigued by the whole movie. It's not the kind of thing I would normally watch as I tend to be too analytical. I found that I just needed to stay in the moment and not think too much because, really, the whole movie is preposterous.

Overall, I enjoyed it. I think the only other movie I have seen that has Jeremy Northam in it is "That Winslow Boy" but I don't remember his role. I think he's pretty cute - I'll have to try and catch him in some other movies.

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Fully agree with yall who say that it woulda been much better if he tossed the disk into the water without revealing the contents to us... But then this was an insignificant technicality compared to the surreal flow of the entire movie :D

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"I'd have rather not known what was on the disk."

I disagree: the movie is basically a love story, so without that scene it wouldn't really work.

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unicorn-9
I disagree: the movie is basically a love story, so without that scene it wouldn't really work.

You're so full of sh*t I can smell it from here! What, during any course of this movie, would constitute it as "basically a love story?"

Breakdown of Northam and Liu Scenes:

Encounter in hotel bar:
Northam: I'm a total geek, who's really a suave Bond wannabe, let me shag ya baby!
Liu: Your a total geek who's married to boot, piss off and die...

Encounter on Roof:
Northam: Hey Baby...
Liu: Shut up dork or my goons will beat the hell out of you...

Various phone calls through movie:
Liu: You're an idiot who's gonna get yourself killed if you don't listen to me.

Car wash:
Northam: You're kinkier than I thought...
Liu: Yeah right, we'll help you but it's gonna cost you, did I mention you're a dork?

Brief semi-intimate meeting in hotel room:
Northam: I so want to jump your bones right now and later.
Liu: Sorry sucker not now not ever....

Ending:
Northam: I'm a pathetic spy, thanks for blowing up the roof and paratroopin' in here and saving my ass, but I know you love this rooks fellow so now you can piss off and die!
Liu: No Problem, but your Rooks and I love you, let's take a cruise.
Northam: Alright, no problem, BTW, I've manages to take what was an almost brilliant thriller about the future of corporate espionage and turn it into an "instant love story(tm)" by slapping on this silly pointless ending, ignoring the fact that the more logical ending should have had some greater purpose to it and furthur ignoring the fact that Lucy Liu's character isn't even all that likeable, so in reality who cares if her files are here or there?


One last point: You mean to tell me this super high tech company doesn't have a couple of tape backups somewhere in the vault?

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You're not funny and not because I disagree with your opinion of this movie, I just had to point out the fact that you're not funny, you're an *beep* who thinks he's funny. So go eat your own head.

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Well, I thought it was very funny. The criticism (a little bit sarcastic) was on unicorn-9, not on the movie.

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I agree with Unicorn. This movie is a love story, but you don't know that until the end, which is what I really like about it. I think those people that didn't like the ending don't want to see it as a love story, and that's fine because you can make whatever you want of the movie- it's your viewing of the movie after all, and you don't have to agree with anyone else. However, to me it seems like the director's point for the movie is a love story. Going through all of that for the love of a woman romanticizes the entire plot.

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I thought the ending was superb! Im so bored of the same old tech steal, weapons, agents bla bla that it was a breath of fresh air to find out it was to protect her! Brilliant touch I thought.

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Good point Gandalf! I was disapointed by the same thing. But I liked the movie so much that my brain deleted that scene. It reminded me of a Matrix in a way. After so many Hollywoodian crap I really enjoyed watching this movie. And I gave 8 ;)

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Yes it makes little sense that he finds what is supposed to be the only picture of Lucy Liu and throws it in the ocean, but its probably better than not seeing whats on the disk at all, or even worse having the disc be some secret weapon, bank account, or code. She is pretty hot after all!

alternatively - and this to me is even more of a strech because all the events near the end dont really support it, Lucy Liu is still using that dude as a chesspiece - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284978/board/thread/7899413

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theres a reason he throws it into the sea! all this information gathering is about control, a futile attempt to tame the chaotic ways of the nature, throwing the cd in the water is a metaphor for the trust into this natural chaos, you cant control everything, you have to accept the unpredictability of reality

if you still need a deeper ending check out the thoughts about a possible deeper "doubletwist" on the topic (we are supposed to wonder if rooks was just a figure in ritas game of chess..)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0284978/board/thread/7899413

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what the OP says,

"davinci code" plot twists for intellectuals :P

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He did it all for love! And that's not a bad thing. I thought the ending made the film so much better than it would have been otherwise. So simple. To go to all of that effort for a girl? Great!

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While I do see your point, she had no idea what he was doing or what was on the disc so she did not act purely for her own ends. Had she known then you'd be quite right but I don't think that is 100% fair as stands and it's more about his love for her than her love for him at the end of the day. Although it is a pretty good love story none the less IMO.

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I disagree. The ending was the perfect twist to truly elevate this above your average espionage movie, plot-wise. (In terms of cinematography, of course, it was already a step above.) What satisfaction would there be in yet another "secret plans" or "new technology" sort of conclusion? But going through all that to protect the one person in the world you truly love and trust -- it's the twist that gives the movie a touch more resonance than others of the genre. Working for him had garnered a contract on her life; this plot was his way of both protecting and returning the favor of risking his life for hers. Sure, it may seem excessive -- but love can do that to a person.

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Yep, I liked that he did it all for love. Corny, but effective. My problem was that it doesn't make any sense.

The 'Rita file' he retrieved has her picture and info with the directive, 'Terminate'. How would all their agents know to terminate her unless they too had a copy of this file? They established that the Vault was cut off from the rest of the world for security purposes, and only accessible by couriers. So none of their agents would be able to look up her info if they encountered her - unless there were multiple copies of her file, thereby invalidating his work throughout the entire film.

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That's the McGuffin.

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I just wanted to say that I also found that one guy to not be funny, the one who did the interactions between lucy and whats his face.

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It's not only because of the girl... it's because with her file in their posession, it would certainly be easier for Digicorp or Sunrise to catch her and maybe interrogate her about him, because she's the only link to Rooks that exists. So it's ALSO to protect himself maybe.

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