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Now I dont know much about the actual events or anything, and i only watched this between commericals of another show, but i am so confused.
it seemed like kids and women were just calling out random people to call witches. and what was the actual casue of the littele girls flipping out, were they faking?
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Okay, I'll try to keep this simple:

In 1692, Reverend Perris (Whom I believe is depicted in the movie....But I'm not sure, It's been awhile. Sorry) discovered his niece, Abigail and her friends dancing in the woods (Dancing of any kind, and especially in the woods, was considered a sin. This was a HIGHLY religious community). In order to deflect the blame from themselves, they called out the names of others, saying that those people were witches and had caused them to do what they had done. Once they saw just how everyone reacted to the witch-naming (basically, the town went murder happy and held trials (THE SALEM WITCH TRIALS), wherein the accused was asked if they were a witch. If the accused said yes, then they were thrown in prison, and allowed to live after repenting the devil and accepting God. If the accused said no, they were hanged. Very nice and fair, huh?), the girls got a little carried away and began naming as many as they could. These were young girls, and found it all to be a great deal of fun.

In the movie, you can see Tituba (the slave of Reverend Perris, and the first to be accused) obviously lie and 'confess' to being a witch, in order to save her life. Many of those who confessed did this, and in fact it is highly unlikely that there were ANY witches involved in the Salem Witch trials.

As far as the girls flipping out, this is just them play-acting. They needed to do this in order for the accused to be proven a witch.

This is just a quick summery of the reasons and whatnot. For a better view of it, read Arther Miller's "The Crucible". It's quite good.

Hope I clarified some things for you!

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Jeez, what kids?!!
Im surprised no one questioned, punished or killed the kids !

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LOL...

Well no one wanted to kill the kids because they were they onle ones who were being "affected" by the witches....kill the kids, and you can't tell who is or is not a witch anymore....

Although if you read other books about the Salem Witch trials, you'll find that Abigail (the ringleader of the girls), even tried to accuse the wife of Reverend Hale, who was the leading expert on Witchcraft at that time, and was overseeing part of trials. Abigail's acuusation was exposed as a lie...after all, how could the wife of a REVEREND be a witch? The trials were never the same. People began to realize that maybe the girls WERE lying, and they had all been fooled. As stated in "The Crucible", in act 4 it is revealed that Abigail has run away, and stolen all of her uncle's money. In an afterword of the play, it is revealed that Abigail most likely turned up as a prosititute in Boston, which is not surprising, as the girl was somewhat of whore, anyway (read "The Crucible" to get the full effect).

So there you go. Any other questions? I'd be glad to try and answer them.

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what did u all think of elana shillings preformance??

I can't remember what her charcters name was but check the main page if you don't know


why i dont know but lots of ppl talk who dont have brains

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I'm confused, I havent seen the film, but i just read the castlist and all the characters make it sound like the crucible. Could somebody explain to me please?

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LOL...it's kinda a different take on The Crucible..Same characters (which is not surprising, seeing as the event actually happened, to those real people), smae place....just dramatized a bit.

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Thank you so much :)

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Historically Abigail was NOT the ringleader--this TV movie is actually more faithful and Anne Putnam Jr. was more of the leader. The Crucible is very fictionalized--Abigail was 11 and John Proctor was in his 60s during the Trials and it's highly unlikely, therefore, that they had any kind of sexual relationship. Even if they did, that would make Proctor a pedophile. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Abigail ended up as a prostitute; Arthur Miller may have made that up, I can't find any other citation for that beyond his play.

Abigail's characterization in The Crucible is fiction, not fact. It's a great play, I'm not slamming it, but it's not history. Miller invented the relationship between John and Abigail to give John more conflict.

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In looking up events or movies on the Salem witch trials, I couldn't help but notice The Crucible always seems to be at the bottom of the list. I've never seen any version, so I didn't know why.

Now this time in wanting to see the story told again, I've finally looked up some clips and reviews of the Crucible and no wonder it isn't regarded as a telling of the trials, it sounds like a complete and total work of fiction.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Psycho are 'based on' the same true story, but neither movie is about Ed Gein, which they are based on, but he wasn't in Texas, from Texas, he used no chainsaw, he killed no one in a motel shower and there was no massacre.

I would watch The Crucible to see the Salem witch trials about as much as I would watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre to get Gein's story.

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ugh no wonder why I couldnt finish watching this crap! thanks for the explanation, I had a feeling these girls were feeling pressured for sinning and just couldnt take the blame for their own actions...JEES

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Is there any info on this movie's script's case? One of them just seemed to go deluusional and weird all the sudden, and then everyone freaked out because of the stupid egg thing. It seems all completely random. And then the two were playing and laughing and then again suddenly started to act tormented in which scene it was obvious they were faking it. But WHY would they want to hurt innocent people? I don't recall the kids been caight in any "sinful" act. And why did they/one of them become delusional? And how did the one not react to the candle flame if she was only faking?

I was about to turn this movie off at the name of John Proctor called out. I was really getting utterly fed up with the constant, random accusations and no one ever EVER being even remotely intelligent or fair in the matter. Buuut I wanted to see how that BS could possibly end, so I watched it through.

Good movie, just a bit confusing, and frustrating at some point.

PS. What happened to the 5-year old little girl who was accused? She confessed, so she wasn't murdered, right?

PS2. I found it inreiguing the descentant cared to request an official pardoning to the accused 400 years later. I mean, whose honor or life it affected at that point?

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The reason these girls didn't confess to the fact that they were faking was because they were afraid they would get into trouble. By the time they had begun to feel guilty a lot of women had already died. It was unlikely that they would be forgiven for their lies so the best thing for them to do in their minds was to continue lying. Better to save your own skin.

The random calling of names was more along the lines of the girls accusing women that they disliked or that threatened to expose the truth. If anyone said anything about the girls lying they were instantly named a witch.

However, in the case of Rebecca Nurse it was that she was constantly trying to force her prayers on the already ailing Anne Putnam. She had lost three children and was not in a stable condition. She could have been suffering from an infection that drove her insane. She may have THOUGHT that Rebecca Nurse was afflicting her because of her sickness but the fact that she feels guilt later means that she understands that the girls are lying because she saw none of the things they did. Nor did she believe that any of the accused had been guilty.

As for the PS2 they still believed that a soul could be saved even after it had departed from Earth. In pardoning the accused they were wishing to give them salvation from the cruel treatment of such a ridiculous accusation.

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Ok, i noticed everyone keeps telling you to read the Crucible - Don't read the Crucible for stuff about Salem! It's historically inaccurate! It was written by Arthur Miller during McCarthyism as a poltical and social statement, not to tell the story of the Salem Witch Trials. Granted, it's a brilliant play - but it does not tell the events correctly

This movie followed history a little closer than Miller did. If you really want to know what was going on in the movie, rent a history channel documentary. It may not be as well acted, but they give you the facts.

Now that I've ranted - to answer your original question, yes, the girls were just calling out random people. They were faking 1) in order to cover up for being caught dancing in the woods & listening to stories of magic by Tituba and 2) because it made them the center of attention. In those times a child's only roles was to obey their elders. Imagine suddenly having every grown up focused on you and you have the power to say who is or isn't going to be put on trial.

Although, there are theories that the girls were actually seeing the stuff they claimed to see thanks to food poisoning caused by moldy rye bread.

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I wonder why Ann Foster was left out of the movie. She was the 72 year old widow who said she was guilty in order to save her daughter and granddaughter (Mary Lacey) who were also accused of being witches. Ann died in prison.

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Still seeing some errors in difference between facts and fiction. Unfortunately, the movie industry really didn't follow the real documents about this incident; which said documents are available to view, but only a chose few have been allowed to read the full details.
Dancing in the woods was a practice way back in England (Europe even), and was a rite centuries old.

The Puritans, as was their true faith, not pilgrims, who were in such a strict regimented faith founded upon the interpretations of men. (women weren't allowed to speak in public, nor teach: based mostly on Eve "seducing" man into sin. Mix with superstitions (and this sect were steeped like tea in superstitions), out of ignorance and religiosity). Women were the cause of ALL mans ills, and believed to be the easiest of the sex to fall to satan's ploys. Nuts I know!

They were also hated by the catholics, not to mention the King of England of that day. He put a price on their heads, kind of like how the gypsies were treated. England arrested most of the Puritans, which filled their dungeons. The Puritans wanted to travel to America. There's some more details of why England refused to help them. I think they did get on a ship, but it had to turn back due to bad weather? But it didn't go back to England, the ship took them to Holland. Holland hated them too, but some of the dutchies said, "Hey, lets make money off these folks, (the Puritans were a little wealthy folk), so Holland business men paid for their fare. In exchange the Puritans were to establish a home base, buy, sell, farm, dig up whatever they could find. (tabacco, indigo, wildlife, even Indians, etc) was what the Puritans were to send back to Holland within a specified time frame to repay "with interest" for their fare.
I will say this, the Puritans did treat the Natives in the New World well, they paid "rent" so-to-speak to the Natives and traded european goods with them and established treaties that was honored way up until President Andrew Jackson came into power, when he broke all those treatie. He even tried to wipe them out with blankets infected with smallpox. Oh yeah, he was a "real, nice guy"(not)!There was nothing Jackson would not do to stiff folks, a wicked man.

Based on said documents, there were indications and facts that a prominent man in the Village (there were like 3 villages involved, Salem being just one of them. Another village didn't get along with Salemites because their rules were too strict, etc.) But the one man wanted another man's property, there was also a dispute between whose boundaries were whose, and the moving of boundary markers, etc. Citizens of these villages weren't all Puritans. But many non puritans and even members went to the Virginia Company due to the harsh rules. Virginia Company didn't even trade with MA after a while because the Puritans were known for their high prices, and cheating on deals made. Not to mention their Sunday services, or was that Saturdays; the preaching went on for 5 and 6 hours, rarely stopping to eat even. Anyone who didn't go, or left, or didn't give to the church coffers tithes due were disciplined harshly, and even shunned. There was no compassion on the sick and poor.

I do believe what the girls did was to save themselves from punishment. And the truth about admitting to witchcraft, they weren't whipped and sent on their way. They were killed, admittance was their salvation and acceptance into heaven; so they were to thank God and their lucky stars they wouldn't go to hell. Those who denied witchery, were tortured into confession. The dunking stool, not only used in America in that era, came from Europe. The accused were tied into the stools, dunked in water, since witchcraft was the control of the elements they would survive from drowning. NONE, survived drowning. Still nuts!

It was after about 150 people who were hanged, murdered more like it; two of the men who sat on the jury went home and read their Bibles and came across scripture in Deuteronomy (I think it was) about those who kill others simply for the killing were damned to hell. (paraphrasing). SO, they spoke with other jurors and they penned a letter retracting their judgments against those accused, "..in mortal fear of their own damnation." They repented, and things died down, to say the least. There were a few more accusations between neighbors, without any more deaths, and the fellow who was the expert on identifying satan amongst them, too, began to doubt his own part of people dying. I've left out a lot of the details, there's a whole pot full in those documents.

How do I know these things, besides the documents that they don't want people to see? (to protect them from damage, they say). I am a descendant of two of the men, brothers, who penned the letter of repentance for their judgments. Fisk brothers they were. They would be my what, 10 12th Great Uncles? I forget how many greats they were.
I am also a descendant of one of the women who came over on the Mayflower. Numerous times removed, I'm sure.

There's a lot the school history books don't teach our children, or the truth is seriously overstated, exaggerated, etc. Home schooled is the true way to go to teach them the "whole" truth.


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Very interesting background as I watch the movie now. Thanks for writing it up.

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