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What do you call a person who can only speak one language?


... an American.

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As Frenchman, I am not sure !

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New Zealanders, the English, Australians. Don't spout Anti-US bull just because it's cool.

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How about if it's true?
I'm an American - & I know so few people from the States who can truly speak another language fluently that I laughed at this joke too. Compared to much of the rest of the world, we really are isolationists.
Yes, I did live abroad - and don't consider myself fluent in any other language (maybe dangerous in 2 other languages, but not fluent :-)

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Sentiments echoed, Fajar, by another American.

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Psh, such an overgeneralization. Please be a little less small minded. I mean, I am a 17 year old American and I am fluent in more than one language.

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So what are you saying? Most Americans do know a second language because you do? LOL! Talk about overgeneralizing!

Curious--how did you learn your non-English language?

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What is your second language? English I bet...

Most people learn second and third languages based on necessity. It is a necessity to learn English if you live in Europe, or most places in the world, because you need to to interact with people in business and in life. English has become the international language.

Most people who know a third language its because they live in an area with two languages outside of English (Barcelona for example.) Or, because their native language isn't very widely used/their home country is small and it's necessary to interact with people from neighboring states (Norwegians for example, often learn other Scandinavian languages in addition to English.)

United States is a huge country.. and the vast majority are native English speakers. English is the language of the world; hence knowing it allows Americans to interact with just about everyone. The necessity to learn a second language just isn't there (Same with Austrialians, and other English speaking nations, as someone pointed out.)

Americans do learn second languages in school, but because there is no practical use, if they don't leave the U.S., then the forget it. The exceptions are places like Southern California, Southern Florida and South Texas.. a large number people in those areas know both English and Spanish because they are both used on a regular basis.

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Unfortunate but very true. I find the problem to be more FLL pedagogy in the US - it's not taught right here (generally speaking) and consequently the majority of people have no desire to learn another language by the time they get to high school or college - which is when many have actual/legitimate foreign language courses for the first time (and is often a requirement like math or science). There are exceptions obviously.

I didn't have a foreign language til high school and hated it at first, and now I'm doing an MA in Spanish and French, and teaching myself two others, have lived and travelled abroad several times between South America & Europe. To each his own I guess - although as many will find, knowing another language - in any profession really, has a variety of practical uses that most don't realize until the umpteenth hour when they want programs like rosetta stone to make them fluent in 30 days. It's no one's fault but the way the languages are taught to young children (or not taught)

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That's a good point.. I think slowly schools might be starting to put more emphasis on foreign langauge. My younger sister had to take spanish classes in middle school at a public school in Ohio.. My brother went to the same school five years earlier and the requirement didn't exist when he was there. I'm not sure if there is a broader trend there, though.

You're right; people (everywhere, I think, not just in the US) don't take it upon themselves to learn something until they absolutely have to. And in the US most people don't ever have to.. unless they're 30 and there's some job they want that requires Spanish... enter Rosetta Stone.

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"Most people who know a third language its because they live in an area with two languages outside of English (Barcelona for example.)"

LOL! You don't even know proper English.

Where do you get notions like the above, or that "Most people learn second and third languages based on necessity"?

Your ignorance is an embarrassment, but sadly typical of many Americans. FYI, many in Europe, including my German cousin, are educated a second and third language from first grade for a reason that has nothing to do with necessity. It's simply been the educational philosophy there for a long, long time. Understanding another language is the best means by which to understand another culture.

You claim America's size relieves us of the need to learn another language. Does it not occur to you that America's leadership position in the world carries with it a responsibility to be MORE aware of other languages and cultures, not less?

Your lack of insight and curiosity are atrocious.

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What are your cousin's second and third languages? I'd be surprised if she learned languages that don't have a practical use... did she not learn English?

I didn't say that "America's size releives it of the need to learn another language." I am not trying to justify it. I think learning another language -- and traveling to other countries -- is worthwhile and enriching. I am tri-lingual myself. I was simply making a reasoned observation. A second language isn't as high a priority for most Americans as it is for Europeans. I believe this is not because Americans are inherently ignorant. I think it's reasonable to think that there are circumstances that cause certain behavior. You don't typically go to France or Germany or Denmark for the weekend if you live in the US. For many Americans, they would have to travel more than 1,000 miles to get to a place that uses another language. As an American, your exposure to other languages is a lot more limited, and yes it's in part because of the size of the country.

You might say China is just as big, and most people there know a second language. Yes, but they learn English because is a neccessity! A neccessity if they want to work at a global company, or go to a university in another country.

I think the schooling system, and attitudes toward language, etc. are a result of the conditions I described.

Like others and I have said -- it's not just Americans -- the tendency not to learn a second language is prevelant in most native English speaking nations.

I really think Americans (the more intellectual ones anyway) are just bitter because they haven't had the same opportunities to learn languages as their European counterparts. I think Americans -- the ones who have a superiority complex over other Americans -- are more critical of themselves than other people are.

I'm sorry I made a grammatical error, English is not my first language. But obviously I am fluent, and am prone - like most people - to making some minor mistakes when typing things on the internet.

But, if you want to split hairs:

This is not grammatically correct either:
"FYI, many in Europe, including my German cousin, are educated [in] a second and third language from [the] first grade for a reason that has nothing to do with necessity.

Nor is this:
It's ["It's" is a contraction for "it is" not "it has"]simply been the educational philosophy there for a long, long time.

And to really split hairs, this sentence is a bit wordy:
Understanding another language is the best means by which to understand another culture.

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LOL again! You’re plainly a person with way too much time on his hands!

For all your lengthy bluster, you don’t address the big picture—interest in foreign languages means interest in other cultures besides your own—in the human community. That’s desirable for its own sake, not merely for “practicality.”

Protesting the use of conversational English, like “it’s” for “it has” in an IMBD post, pioneers new dimensions in pettiness. So go ahead and flail away in another anal, ineffectual response. You’re being ignored.

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Didn't take me that much time.. I think and type pretty quickly.

I'm not going to argue any further.. because, as I said, I agree that learning foreign languages, and about other cultures, is "desirable" at least from my perspective. But I still don't think that's the main reason why most people learn langauges.

(I'd be interested in a European's perspective on this issue. If you were wondering I am Asian but live in the U.S.)

As for pettiness... you certainly started it. It is not in my character to pick on other peoples' speech. I was just being ironic.

And -- don't kid yourself -- you are reading this and you are loving it! :)

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i totally agree with Shaheen.
Even though he or she did not use the english language in a very effective way to prove their point, they are right.

however, i would like to point out to the person who suggested that new zealanders are likely to only speak one language, that actually in NZ we have two official languages; Maori and English. most things here (like newspapers, television etc) incorporate these two languages constantly. Infact most of the citys in our country have Maori names not to mention various other things. and even though everyone in nz speaks english a lot of kiwis are also fluent in maori.

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"Even though he or she did not use the english language in a very effective way" -- ouch! haha. This is bad news, since writing is a big part of my job... I hope you were just referring to the typos. I type fast and then just hit "post" in the interest of time..

I appreciate your agreeance, anyway..

And good to know about New Zealand!

And I'm a she! Thanks for not assuming otherwise :)

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oh sorry! haha i didnt mean to offend you, everyone has an off sentence every now and then, heck i KNOW i do!

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No offense taken! Just wanted to make sure I don't need to find a new profession :P
Shaheen

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I thought Spanish was the language you speak in the US? :-)

Acutally Aussies, Americans and New Zealanders tend to speak only English, cause English is so prevalent, we just get lazy!

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A monoglot!

I'm American. I took Spanish and French from the age of 4, continuing with Spanish through middle school. I switched to Italian through high school and college and am now fluent in English, Spanish and Italian (conversant in French).

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I feel the same. america is now the only super power. So they should be more aware of the other people.

Shamik ghosh

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English is the language of the world?

75% of the world speak no English at all. And frankly they don't have to or need to.
English is the third most spoken language in the world after Mandarin (Chinese) and Spanish. And to be honest you don't have to be fluent in another language to understand another culture, as someone else mentioned.

I think that native English speakers should learn two other languages as part of the curriculum, starting at the age of 4 just like most of Europe does. There's no point starting at the age of 11, as we do here in Britain, because we've already had English grammar and things drilled into us, making it much harder to understand another languages rules.

It'd just be easier so we aren't reliant on everyone speaking English to us, that's just ignorance.

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I think that may be true in most parts, but necessity should not be the only thing driving someone to learn another language. i am from the UK and my parents sent me directly to a french school after nursery/kindergarten which i attended for 6 years. i'm 19 now, fluent and have no use for it, but i can go to any french speaking country and speak with locals, joke, laugh and get with the girls ect.
I'm learning spanish at the moment purely for the love of knowledge and maybe the subtle arrogance it gives me. And i think more Americans should be doing the same :) ps this film is sick

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Monolingual.

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I live in the US and I speak French, English, and Spanish. However, I am an exception. Unless you're more cultured, whether that be by being of a different culture or just being more educated than most.

"But I just want to feed Emily lukewarm English beer and vegan pancakes."

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American? Why do gringos think that they are the only Americans in the continent? I bet they do not even know where the name America comes from (without peeking on Wikipedia). I think that people from the US should be called Gringos, not Americans.

Anyway, you are right. I am from Guatemala and I speak German, English and Italian. Most of my friends speak at least two languages.

And if you are going to start badmouthing me or my country, let me tell you this: most of the "Mayan" people in Guatemala speak three languages. Their own (cakchiquel, mam, pocomam etc.), Spanish and English.

And most of the poor people can speak English fluently (many of them have lived in the US illegally).

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Oh, please. I was shocked when I traveled in Spain and Italy - hardly anyone speaks a lick of English. And Spain and Italy are teaming with tourists. You guys are so backward, you have no right to judge. The French aren't known to be linguists either.

And let's not forget why Americans don't speak other languages: they don't matter. Sorry, no one speaks Italian outside of Italy. English is a universal language and I find it more ignorant when people don't speak it. I can forgive an American for not knowing Finnish. But yes, I do wish they taught foreign languages earlier in the U.S.

Also, I am an American and I speak 3 languages fluently/proficiently in addition to 2 other languages on a basic level. I am not nationalistic at all and get frustrated by my own countrymen often, but I get sick of foreigners talking crap about Americans all the time.

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I'd also be furious if foreigners kept talking trash about my country but myself (and speaking just for myself) I don't like when people say that english is a world-wide or a universal language as you said. I rather think it's more appropriate to call it the globalization-language as it is only due to the fact that the USA developed the internet a great deal and exported their culture that english has become popular.

I'm not surprised that most people (especially middle aged people and older) in Europa don't speak english (it just isn't useful because they learned their national languages and if they wanted to go abroad they would 'scratch' the german, italian, french, spanish, portuguese...). I dont think it's fair to call us backwards either as I know that a great deal of spanish can understand the portuguese (and vice-versa) as well maybe some french (in catalonia) and the german with flamenco (maybe flemish in english) and dutch and so on.

What I mean is that people may not be fluent but they can understand the neighbouring languages. Unfortunately, the culture exported by your country only shows that the normal US-citizen (average John Doe) is unable to understand the spanish (spoken in Mexico) or french (from Canada). I don't think I'll ever go the US (and most europeans will never go either) but the image that your country tries to give of itself is one where people dont care about the rest of the world and dont care to speak other languages. And we're not there ourselves and we believe you (television and movies) when you say: we're dumb but we have money.

That's sad and unfortunately I think people there will continue to focus on that side of the population when it comes to media :s


youngsters dont make mistakes, they try new things n besides, brains r overrated!

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So you're saying that people in Spain and Italy are "so" backward because they usually don't speak English.

There are so many wrong things with this statement that I'm not even sure where to start.
First why English? Oh yeah right, because it's a universal language. So universal indeed that they don't speak it and don't even feel the need to. Rest assured that this remains true for Eastern Europe, Asia (including Japan), Latin America and half of Africa. It seems to me that for a universal language it really doesn't have that much coverage. I think you're confusing the fact that english is dominantly used as an international business language with the fact that it's a universal language, which it's obviously not. Spanish in this regard is far more universal that English, yet you don't hear Spanish people saying gee you guys are so retarded because you don't even speak Spanish. Besides in this specific case the needs of Spaniards and italians might much be better served by knowing French given geographic and economic (not to say cultural) closeness. German is also a good choice as lingua franca for the Italians if they want to do business in Eastern Europe (in fact a lot of Italians living in the north do speak german due to their proximity with switzerland and Austria).
Second you're more likely to find a Spaniard or an Italian speaking a foreign language than a US citizen hence if they're backward then what does that make you?

"English is a universal language and I find it more ignorant when people don't speak it."
I understand that you think English is a universal language and therefore you (as a people) don't really need to learn another one and that others should learn yours. However your trips should have taught you otherwise. A language that nobody speaks is not universal and the fact that people don't speak it is a clear indication that they don't really need to (I'm starting to repeat myself so it's time to stop). As a piece of advice I'd suggest you adjust your ideas with the reality you experience instead of trying to do the other way around.

You may be sick of foreigners talking crap about Americans (fair enough, at least when it's not deserved), but you don't seem to have problems talking craps about foreigners. I'm not sure what to make of that.

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"Oh, please. I was shocked when I traveled in Spain and Italy - hardly anyone speaks a lick of English." - exactly, i don't know where did the author of the original message take his claim from. And trilingual Guatemala - i would like to see that, since i know a lot of people, who claim fluency in foreign language, yet it's easy to prove them wrong - there's a lot of topics they can't talk about because of a vocabulary shortage. Earning A on your highschool language course (covering what - 3 hours weekly?) doesn't make you fluent.

Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

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Well, I am "Hispanic American" but i'm still American...and I speak Spanish, French, Italian and English =)

A painter paints pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence. ~Leopold S.

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How do you call an american, who can't speak english?

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A Brazilian? Mexican? Argentinian? Americas are full of various nations.

Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

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