Gonna make my points pretty simple.


While I enjoy these movies, they are entirely unbiblical. I do believe in believers being taken up, but there is ZERO evidence it will happen BEFORE Christ's return. There is no standing for a "secret" rapture. Christ's return is only told happens ONE WAY. His SECOND coming, not second, and third. The pretrib idea actually is a jesuit counter to the protestant reading once people started being able to read the bible for themselves. Do the research.

1Thess 4:16-17 descibes the taking up. AT the 7th trumpet, and AFTER the dead in Christ rise up.

The thief in the night thing.... PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING. It will come as a thief in the night to those who are not WATCHFUL.

As for signs of the end, think about some of these. There is nowhere in the bible it actually says the TRIBULATION will last 7 years. If you do the math and the research, you will see plainly that the prophecy in Daniel 7 has nothing whatsoever to do with the tribulation. Nowhere in the bible does it say that it will last 7 years.

Also, nowhere in the bible does it actually say the Antichrist is going to be one man, but it will have the eyes and mouth of one. The antichrist, Paul made clear ( 2THess 2:7), was already up and about in HIS day.

The rebuilding of the temple. Ok.... think about this. Paul referred to the church as God's temple.That the antichrist would pronounce himself God from withing the temple. What's important about that? The Antichrist will not be some obviously evil man, but it will come from WITHIN the church. It will break commandments, but subtley, but it will appear the right way to most here on earth, because it will have that guise. Now, since Paul called it GOD'S temple, why would he say GOD's temple would be rebuilt literally as a temple for sacrifices? That would completely be against what Paul believed in. Sacrifices at temples were "cut off" for Christians once Christ made the sacrifice. So, if that was what was going to happen, Paul CERTAINLY would not have referred to it as GOD's temple, and just as suredly would not have described Christs followers as the same thing.

That's just a couple of the things.

As for the bible's accuracy, archeology is continually finding things that prove the stories. Weither you have a mind to accept it or not, is not my choice. I can't buy into evolution, because it is just as it says evolutionary. It changes. Back when I was in school, the "age of the earth" was way different than it was decided to be 5 years later, and 7 years later and so forth. It is regularly changing.


Oh, and just as an add on, about Hell.... If one actually studies the bible, certain things are made clear. God is NOT cruel, but he is righteous and just. HE doesn't change. We do. Doesn't make us right. However, one thing was blatently clear. Those who trust in Christ have everlasting life. We believe he paid the penalty for our sin. If our penalty was eternal burning, Christ would still be burning. To say otherwise, would be saying he didn't pay the FULL penalty. He fought DEATH and conquered it. For us. Next, you notice that those who are his have everlasting life. K. Now.... if one was burning somewhere forever, would this not be a really bad flip side? Would this not be eternal life but just a really sucky one? The bible says that after the 1,000 year reign, Satan is released again on the unbelievers, and tries one last stand. But instead of being able to do so, they are stopped and then they have thier judegment and punishment. They will see the truth and be able to do nothing to change. After judgement is the lake of fire ( which serves two purposes. First to destroy to nothingness Satan, the demons and the unbelievers. The second, to cleanse and purify the earth. I mean, think of it. Look at what happens when there is a large fire. Afterwards, after a nice rain... what does the ground look like? It also purifies the elements.. air, water... after all the crap we have done to it all this time). After everyone is back to ashes (or less) then the new earth is ready for lose are of Christ.


For those who choose to believe in an ALL loving and compassionate God, where is your version in the bible? The only time God is compassionate is when you aren't blatantly disregarding his laws. If you repent, he shows mercy. If not.....you end up....well... nowhere. Which is ok I suppose for some's point of view. Just not mine. I look forward to watching my children living in a world where I know they will never be sick, or hurt or feel heartache again. A world where I know I will not have to experience the loss of one of them. Not leading them towards God is not just effecting me, but them as well. Some may not mind dying into nothingness, but your children? I wouldn't take that chance. I love my children too much.

So, essentially its simple. Whichever way you choose to keep eye on end times things, look at more than just that one perspective. If you are expecting to get taken up and not have to deal with tribulation, well.... then you could not see things for what they are. Be watchful. If a thief is going to break into your house in the middle of the night and you KNOW he is.... do you simply sit at the front door with a shotgun waiting? Or do you make sure ALL of your other doors and windows are being looked at too?

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I'll make my points even simpler!

These christian god films suck really bad, keep the garbage in the church where it belongs!!!!!!

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quoting vic lamb

amen brotha

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Why do you even care ?? Don't watch if that's the way you feel.
Oh , as far as garbage...........sex, killings , rape , murder......... NOW THAT IS REAL GARBAGE !!!

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That's a very interesting point...I'm a huge fan of the Left Behind series, but I do have to agree with you.


The only point I'm fuzzy on is the 7 years...are you SURE that nowhere in the Bible it says that?
Even the people I've talked to that don't believe in a pre-trib rapture agree that there will be 7 years of tribulation.

-Levi

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I couldn't agree more about a Christ's return not happening before antichrist/tribulation happens or about your views on eternal hell. The second death is the death of the soul as stated in the Bible.

Of course I believe that the antichrist is Satan, since Paul called him the son of perdition which means to perish and only one has been sentenced to death at this time. I believe he will come to earth to "play" the role of messiah since Revelations describes him as looking like a lamb as well as Paul stating he will be "disguised" as an angel of light. And since most of the Christian world expects Christ to return first this is where the great apostasy takes place. It makes perfect sense. And we know that Satan knows the scriptures better than most and if it's this easy for Christians to fall for the rapture doctrine how much easier will it be for him to win everyone over by twisting a few more as he's done in the past?

And of course when the true Christ returns this is why there will be gnashing of teeth and people praying for the mountains to fall of them. It's the shame they feel.

Why don't people realize the words of Christ when he says he comes at an hour most do not expect?

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very good post, mcgregorgirl. b t w are you a j witness?

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Hi

While I enjoy these movies, they are entirely unbiblical. I do believe in believers being taken up, but there is ZERO evidence it will happen BEFORE Christ's return.
You do not need to continue after your first sentence LOL

This implies there is evidence for something else, there is in fact ZERO evidence he ever actually existed in the first place, forget promises of coming back.

You could have saved yourself typing in a load of waffle most people will not bother to read.

-Mex

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Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look really un-evolved?

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I do believe in believers being taken up, but there is ZERO evidence it will happen BEFORE Christ's return
There is zero evidence for it at all. Period.

current CO2 level is the lowest in the history of life on this planet - rjfme

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She's talking from a Biblical perspective. There's nothing in the Bible that suggests he comes back before the tribulation.

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