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Why are we so politically blind???


We live in a democracy.

Having just watched the film, what really bothers me is that we have so many "Sedgewick Bell's" in our elected government. This is something I feel responsible for, whether I am politically informed/active and especially if I'm not.

Why is it that I never seem to see a "Martin Blythe" on the election ballot? A man who, even though he was denied a rightful reward which he strove so hard to obtain, still maintained his virtuosity his whole life, forgave those that did him wrong, and moved on with his honourable life.

I'm not asking this to turn into a political flame war, but rather would like to see a healthy discussion into how we as voting citizens can make better choices on the candidates character (...not letting this be eclipsed by the extravigant show that gets put on.) Or, should we continue focusing more on the political platform(s) they represent? Are they exclusive?

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I think it would be very hard to separate the two. I think the question would have to be: does the candidate represent himself and his own ideas, or that of his political platform?
It is - I think - nearly impossible to find out about the truth of a person, unless we would all hire our own personal investigators to check out who the candidate really is. We can't believe what the person himself is saying, nor what his opponents counter that with. And because 90% of us will never even get close to the one we voted on, we will never be able to tell whether we're dealing with a Sedgewick Bell or a Martin Blythe.
Our other option is to vote on the political platform, but considering the fact that in any government there is a huge amount of compromises, we will always feel a little cheated (I know I always do, when the party I voted for agrees to a law that I'm against).
So I think that all we can do is vote for the one or the party who claims to represent our own beliefs the best, and find out in the course of time whether we were right.

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Only if they had in mind Edward Kennedy, who was expelled from Harvard for cheating.

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It really doesn't matter what political party they come from, there always have been and always will be unethical people in elected positions. But it is tragic how so many voters can be blind to the failings of elected officials and candidates.

The blind spot comes from whatever world we pick to believe in, rather than reality. It's difficult for many, but the ability to see through the spin is important for an individual's sanity.

That's why I became an independent years ago ... neither of the two political parties is operating on the moral high ground.

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Possible spoiler alert...

Your question is timely, considering we have just had news of the sentencing of California's "Duke" to over eight years of prison. I do not feel sorry for him, since he chose to accept bribes in exchange for awarding defense contracts. I do feel shame, though, that this man who probably was seen at the beginning of his political career as a brave decorated war hero should have ever started down the path of corruption in office. I hate to see people who have shamed their elected office say they "made a mistake." A wrong choice, maybe, but it's not a mistake when the person chose of his own free will.

I just saw this film for the first time, also. The Senator was realistic in portrayal of those who "play the game" of power. Nearly everyone was playing it, and even the teacher's jiggling of the grade, and not denouncing the cheating in public were contributing factors. The new headmaster's dance-for-money was no less of a part in the game. Revealing to Martin that he should have been in the competition was a step back into the light for a man who had been wrestling with his conscience a quarter century. Perhaps Martin and Deepak were the two most ethical characters among the boys. I'm not sure either of them would hold up in an election in the current atmosphere of smear campaigns. The honorable take a beating from the ruthless! Look at some of the kindest men who were murdered for their efforts Gandhi and M. L. King. Many people who probably could make a difference because they are moral and honorable just do not want to go into politics because it is so dirty. You'll usually find them in non-profits, making much less money than in comparable occupations, and doing work few rich politicians would do on a bet.

What kind of example are the real-life legislators, compared to the Senator in the movie? Do their children go volunteer in the aftermath of Katrina, the tsunami, earthquakes, etc.? I don't know, but it does seem that in the more distant past, "doing good" was seen as almost a moral obligation for people like Sedgewick. At least the UK royals serve in the military...when are the "Bush Twins" going to do that? Not even the Peace Corps or Vista for them. How long before they're in the family political machine?

I worked for several years in a fiduciary position for a high-ranking elected county official. I was "required" to donate to his campaign and to serve as his treasurer and a number of other things not related to my government job, including shopping for his family and a lot of tasks for his private business. You would not believe the corruption I observed in that time, at his level and above and below. And you would not believe what horrible things happen to whistle-blowers in government. Fear of retaliation is a powerful weapon. Having to decide between risking everything without much hope of making any changes, and keeping your mouth shut and avoiding a painful outcome...very, very hard. And the whole negative mess is driven by money.

If only there were a Western Civilization class like the one in the movie for every future politician, with a requirement that they pass stringent ethical standards as well!

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I totally agree with you. In fact, I attended a boarding school in the 1970s and we were required to perform jobs around the dorms and campus plus perform community service. Community service is now a constant in my life and it remains a constant at the school.

Because the school was run by Episcopal monks and the school is near an Episcopal university, we heard numerous sermons and lectures on ethics, law and other morality tales. Along with the Bible, C.S. Lewis was a constant source for our courses and sermons. There were other contemporary authors, too many to name.

Obvioulsy, the school has always had a profound impact on my life.

At one point in my career, I blew the whistle on a boss who was sexually harassing a woman in my department. She sued the company and, because the company had to settle for almost $1 million, I was considered a trouble maker, so I was later "asked" to resign. It was a difficult time in my life, but because of my belief in ethics and fair treatment of individuals, I'd do it again. My former boss had to be fired from two other companies before his wife and daughters would admit he was the problem.

Four years ago I did a story on a state run military college in Georgia and the president of the school introduced ethics as part of the curriculum with great success. Other colleges are also making ethics part of the requirement for graduation.

But you're right. The money and power that drives people is the problem.

I remember talking to one of my brothers a few years ago about the wealth of one of our childhood friends. He said we both had too many ethics and hold our friends and work associates in too high a regard to back-stab our way to the top.

He's right. But I sleep well at night because of it.

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So ethical of you!
Unlike this guy (your evil twin?) who crashes weddings:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0396269/board/thread/162176901?d=165481513 #165481513

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Five years later....Oh, well. I guess I have something to say about this, having screened the film today. Under our system of government, it is virtually impossible for anyone to run a campaign for U.S. Senator with less than 50 to 100 million dollars. This is primarily due to the invention of television and public relations. TV commercials for candidates cost a fortune: to produce them, to broadcast them repeatedly. Every time a commercial is broadcast, it increases the candidate's chances of victory. Now where does this money come from? Either the candidate himself is extraordinarily wealthy (the Kennedys, the Rockefellers, Mayor Michael Bloomberg of NYC, etc.), OR the candidate must accept huge contributions from "special interests." More money does not guarantee victory, but it makes it more likely: i.e.; out of one hundred elections, the candidates who win a majority of them are likely to have had more money.

Mr. Hundert in this film is a pathetic figure: Not only are his views of the world extremely unrealistic, but whenever faced with a moral challenge, he weakly succumbs to "the easy way out." So he himself, even in his little arena of St Benedict's, is unethical, when the temptations are not even so great. Imagine what havoc he would have caused if he had been successful.

The most poignant scene in the film, to me, is when Hundert changes Bell's grade from A- to A+. In the visual, you see the table of contestants, and it is clear that Hundert must realize that he is depriving Blythe of a chance to repeat his father's achievement. How low can one sink?

Among idealistic individuals, it is common to hear "It's not whether you win or lose, it's how one plays the game." Well, if Hundert had been a man, as some of the people he blindly discusses in class, he would have given the students their proper grades, and Bell would have learned that even when one tries hard and is intellectually gifted, he does not necessarily win. Blythe would justly have had his chance in the contest, and most important, Mr Hundert would have done THE RIGHT THING.

Well, to be very brief, I think that the world is full of all types of individuals, from the noble and saintly like Mother Theresa, to the unbearably evil, like Hitler or Stalin. But the vast, vast majority of human beings are neither great nor ignoble; they are good some of the time, and bad some of the time. POLITICS in general does not attract men and women with noble values, because the essence of politics is constant compromise. Even if a young candidate starts out really believing that he can do something good for his country, it is almost inevitable that, through the experiences he must undergo to gain vistory after victory, his morals must become corrupted.

As I say to many friends, when they bemoan--as you seem to be doing--the most recent scandal in Washington involving lobbyists and their influence, the discovery of a member of Congress involved with an underage girl or boy, etc., "Do you think it was any different in Ancient Greece and Rome? Rich landowners bribed Senators repeatedly, in order to get what they wanted. Even if the plebeians had the right to vote, what could that mean in a corrupt political and judicial system?"

Truly, if someone has a moral system in which he believes, one would think that one of the last places he would seek a career is in politics. As Gore Vidal repeatedly writes, "There is only one party in America: The Property Party...The members of elected officials are nothing more than energetic mediocrities."

There may be exceptions, but how often have we seen respected, even idolized figures discovered violating the laws of our land all-the-time we worshipped them. More to come tomorrow.

Allen Roth
"I look up, I look down..."

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Politics isn't a moral profession. You are heavily involved in coercion. Stealing the public's money for what you see fit. Sending the young men and woman off to die in wars that aren't justifiable. Regulating the world to death. Putting people in prison for drugs, even though they caused no damage to anyone else. I could go into specifics, but nothing politicans do are honorable expect when they take a step back and do nothing, or in the rare situation where they destroy an old law and allow more freedom to the individuals who actually create and run the country. This country needs less laws, and more freedom. The George Bush/Barack Obama duel threat cause great harm to this country.

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I'm not asking this to turn into a political flame war, but rather would like to see a healthy discussion into how we as VOTING CITIZENS can make better choices on the candidates character (...not letting this be eclipsed by the extravigant show that gets put on.) Or, should we continue focusing more on the political platform(s) they represent? Are they exclusive?


The entire economic structure of democracy does not permit this because of the value of the vote. Statistics informs us that the value of your vote is tremendously low if it’s measured relative to its’ probability of yielding direct policy benefits to you. As a result voters tend to be ignorant because the cost of becoming an informed voter do not provide a high degree of likelihood that that knowledge will “pay-off, this is the concept of rational ignorance which has about 50 years of academic research behind it.

A well informed voting population is a public good and as with all public goods there is a incentive problem to maintain it. To be more specific the cost of my ignorance, to myself, with regards to economics, public policy, foreign policy, regulatory proposals, the history of a particular representatives life and indiscretions or achievements, etc etc is not totally transmitted to me but it is socialized or spread to other people in the polity some unwillingly and some willingly with very protracted exit capability.

When you take this same concept and compare it to a market activity costs can be spread via what is called market failure however in most cases market transactions isolate the failure mechanism to the participants in each individual exchange event as opposed to the exchange event of voting..
Therefore when I buy a car or a hygiene product if I do no research and buy a lemon or something that I’m allergic to or some undesirable product I tend to eat that cost fully.

Anyway I don’t’ want to go to deep into public choice theory and discuss heuristics, political opportunity costs or “rational irrationality” or arrow’s impossibility theorem etc etc so lets leave it at that. The problem isn’t you (the OP) or the millions that would prefer to watch American Idol or Lost or Twilight rather then watch CSpan or read Foreign Policy, Stratfor, or the Economist. Individuals that seek out entertainment or even self-improvement or raising a family are more rational then those that spend hours studying policy, unless policy for your provides salary, or entertainment or some positive psychological experience.



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Hillary comes to mind.

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A Martin Blythe knows how much hypocrisy is involved and doesn't want the job.

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