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Gas Huffing Before AND after suicide????


I just saw this movie today and I got to thinking...I wonder if Wilson was huffing gas before his wife killed herself. Is that the reason why she did it? Mary Ann stated one time "You had everything!" Did she mean before he started sniffing gas, and as a result, the suicide? Did Liza include the match as a little clue that she knew what he was doing? I really enjoyed the movie. I like any movie that makes you think afterward. These are just a few thoughts about it...what do ya'll think???

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In my opinion, there was far to much discovery, on the part of Wilson, when we were first introduced to the idea of huffing gas for it to be something he was coming back to as opposed to just starting. Although I do think it is intended to be ambiguous.

Also, the "You had everything" line, I think was supposed to work on a couple of levels. One, you had her, and two, you had the letter.

In the end though, I believe it is all meant to be pretty ambiguous.



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There might've been some anger on her part that the last words went to him.
They both loved her and had some guilt, but he was the one she addressed. And she couldn't bring herself to go against her wishes and open the letter, even though she took possession of it. (Which was weird) Knowing the contents of the letter later makes sense, that he is released, and that may not be hers? Or hat she knew it had to be opened, but couldn't bring herself too either.

I agree with the ambiguity though, it kind of felt like a ride of experience and grief, especially towards the end.

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That was the part of the movie that bothered me. His gas huffing seem to start much too casually. But now that you mention it,and knowing a little bit about alchohol and drug addiction I think perhaps he was a huffer when he was young or something, and maybe even falling in love with Liza was one of the things that replaced inhalants.

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I tend to agree more with the person who said that there was far too much discovery on his part. He had to buy the gas can, that would imply that he had no prior addiction to the stuff. At the beginning of the movie, we never see him anywhere near gas. He was clumsy with the stuff as well, that was why his coworkers only started smelling gas on him after he huffed for the first time. A person with experience would have been more careful. He was also a very succeful web designer; after he started huffing, his career went down the hole. I believe that he just meant to get the smell of the stuff that killed his wife, and maybe in a way be closer to her. The match was just to burn the letter. The fact that he burned the house down was just used for irony. Just my opinions.

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I would agree with Elitisteloquence.

That is all.

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> there was far too much discovery on his part.

It happens as he comes out of the airport: a 360-degree camera spin: this is his world slipping from grief into active dysfunction, as he smells gas from the taxi and the idea takes root. That is the turning point.

> The match was just to burn the letter. The fact that he burned the house down was just used for irony.

HE didn't burn the house: LIZA did. Her suicide, which she asked him "to bear," was nearly unbearable, nearly destroyed him. The letter, when he finally read it, failed to lay blame on him, so it was relief from guilt. At that point, we realize how close Liza came to destroying Wilson. The idea appears on screen, quite literally, as the fire from the letter catches his clothes, and he barely escapes from the flame. He is left with nothing, but at least he is free of danger.

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I agree that he seemed to have started huffing after his wife's death, however, i think there should have been something to cause him to start... I don't recall him sniffing the air in the garage or anything like that, and i'm just surprised he got the idea. Like, there should have been a scene with him hearing about huffing, then trying it? But again, it's a very ambiguous movie and there's nothing to say he didn't, or he didn't previously huff, or even that his wife didn't huff... It just seemed a little out of the blue for him to just decide to start huffing, but maybe that's because i live in an area where huffing isn't a prevalent hobby.

"That little punk drove a golf cart through my bar mitzvah. Not only that, he was dressed up like a beaver!"

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I believe the presence of the match with the letter indicates they were huffing together before her suicide. I suspect Liza was "further along" in her abuse and perhaps suicidal as a result. MaryAnn seemed very in tune with Wilson's habit as well.

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I think he sniffed gas as a child, then stopped in his growing.

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Yeah but that doesn't really make much sense. You saw those gas huffing teens, they were nearly retarded. All his exploration around the gas sniffing, such as when he is pumping the gas or when he is kneels down by the cab, points at no prior use. I think that scene where he hears about gas huffing would have been unnecessary-- huffing gas is not something that is difficult to learn, or rare.

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The question is why huff gas??? Why not some other drug?

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watch the commentary. They say that the idea for the movie sparked when they saw a little old russian woman rubbing a rag on a hose and huffing the gas.

There actually is a lot to be said about the movie, and Liza, in the commentary.

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i agree i don't beleive he was huffing before his wife's death. after his wife died he fell into a sense of depression and 'regression' which is where the model airplanes and huffing comes in. building model airplanes and huffing gas fumes are generalized juvenile acts. which is why he never turned to harder drugs. not only was the idea unique, but tied into well with this aspect. just look at his demeanor and the way he acts while he is in sorrow(do you know who i am?). though this was only a diversion i also beleive that the end..*spoiler*...was also tied in well when he burned down the house(playing with fire is another form of a juvenile act) thus setting himself free as he walks away naked and reborn leaving all his childish acts, and selfpity behind him. IMHO.

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Yeah, I'm almost positive that his huffing was a result of his wife's suicide. He didn't seem very experienced when he started. And if he'd been a previous abuser, I don't think he'd have been successful, like others have said.
In terms of the match -- I think that was from his wife so that he could have some kind of closure when he was ready by burning the letter.

Damn depressing movie, though. I liked it, but it was just so sad...

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I don't think he was huffing before. You saw the way he drifted away from his job and got hostile with everyone he knew. That could have been caused by his grief over his wife's suicide, but i think it was a result of the gas. If he was huffing before I think he would have been in the state he was in at the end of the film.

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I never thought that maybe he was huffing before his wife committed suicide, but I did notice how casually he walked over to the cab in the beginning and sniffed the open gas thing. However, when he was at the gas station, and he sniffed right from the nozzle, he seemed kind of curious.

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i tryed solvents once as a youth.I was sitting on the loo with a can of gas when it suddenly dripped down the can and landed on my right testicle and froze..bloody hell never again.

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The reason she included the match was specifically so that he would burn the letter; it was his wife's idea that he know that, after he read the letter, she WANTED him to get on with his life. He didn't sniff gas before the suicide. Rather it was a way for him to cope with his grief. If you listen to the writer/director commentary it provides some very nice insights.

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I think he was a huffer as a kid and found himself reverting and regressing. That's part of the point; he doesn't even have a grown up addiction.

Also, to feel closer to her as she died by gas fumes.

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I just finished watching the movie. Another fine performance by P.S.Hoffman.

I believe he got a close whiff of gasoline at this incredible downpoint in his life and something in him clicked with it. I'm sure he smelled gas before, sure, but not in this way. I think he just liked it and felt a comfort with it. A certain escape. Then the addiction set in. He found the escape(solace?) in huffing. I do not believe he huffed as child. He would not be coherent as he was when we are first introduced to him. It all seemed new to him. The new 'gases'(model airplane), being able to purchase a two-gallon jug for gas, etc.

Wasn't it mentioned that his wife 'blew her head off?' By his rc racing buddy. The letter doesn't explain anything nor should it. While it was a magnetizing element of the movie, it's content meant nothing(to us). The match inside, I feel, was placed specifically for him to burn the letter, just as he did. However, the items in the house, and most likely, the house, on fire are effects resulting from his negative(addictive) behavior of escapism. Almost, like, ending that part of his life and moving on.

ps; did anyone make anything of the few things that 'fell over' on Wil? Such as, the cocktail glass on the beach, the gasoline jug, the flowers at the cemetary, etc.

just a few thoughts of mine. I'll have to watch it again.

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I think its pretty clear he had never huffed before based on all the scenes you see of him going about attaining it, the excuses he used to cover it up, and the way he used (not to mention he had a successful career prior) it.

The reason I think he turned to that I believe shows up in one important and short scene.

This is when he is in the garage and he sees what I believe is a hair-band with some of his wife's hair still on it and later when walking toward the back of the car I believe there is a rag stuck in the tailpipe. Now I don't know if putting a rag in your tailpipe is a method one can use to kill themselves via the fumes of a car. I'm not sure why you wouldn't just close the garage and run the car regularly. Maybe closing off the exhaust causes some other form of gas leaking.

And no (for the reasons I just mentioned), I do not believe it is true that she shot herself in the head. There is the scene at the boat race where the girls are asking Will about his dead wife if its true she shot herself, and he says "No not exactly like that...but she did kill herself" or something in that vein.

Denny by the way, is the only one who ever mentions her suicide being with a gun. I do not consider him (based on his personality) to be someone I would trust knowing the truth about a situation. Also he is only the brother/friend? of Will's female co-worker that likes him; he certainly wouldn't have the best insider information on how she died. I would think the family (of a relative who committed suicide) could keep details about how it was exactly executed private if they so chose. Additionally, (of course film-makers don't have to know this) women very rarely commit suicide by gun-shot, and there would be a whole other issue of how she got the gun. We would have to assume Will would be the type to keep one.

I believe she killed herself by inhaling fumes from the car, which in some way might explain how Will ever got the idea to start inhaling himself.

I do believe the few things falling over on Will means something, but I'm still deliberating on exactly what.

I have mixed feelings about whether Will was a poor husband and that he felt guilty and responsible about her death. Certainly avoiding reading it would signify some form of guilt (for fear she might blame him in the letter, and he would never be able to forgive himself), but I would also say he could have just been afraid of whatever it said. Because nothing she could write would conceivably change the situation, and in many ways by reading it he has to confront the end of his grieving process. Maybe he just wanted to prolong his drug-using, out of present mind life as long as possible. Reading the letter may have presented a forced look at reality.

Also there is that somewhat telling scene where he screams "I loved well!" in a moment of seeming honesty. His mother-in-law seems to care very much for him too; which I would take as a sign her daughter always spoke well about Will. Why else would she care so deeply for him; never did I get the sense that she blamed Will for what happened, she seemed just as surprised and devastated as him.

What if the fear of reading the letter was just that although he believes he was a good husband, if she blames him for her depression (and eventual suicide) he would never be able to get passed that. Putting myself in that terrible situation, even if I was 100% certain I had been a good husband I would still be fearful my wife would ultimately blame me in her letter.

Yet, him feeling guilty about her death is a much easier explanation, and seeing that she didn't blame him appears to have relieved him (but whether or not he was a good husband or not would still lead him to be relieved after reading that loving letter). I believe there are signs that point to different interpretations, but maybe its a bit of both.

Amazing movie, another exceptional performance by Hoffman.

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cdngo, I saw the mundane items repeatedly falling over on Will as illustrating how hard it is to cope with the details of life when one is suffering loss. There is also humor (and pathos) in Will's repeated failure to keep simple things right-end-up.

Because the director obviously was trying to draw our attention with the device, you might guess that he may have been foreshadowing what was to become of Will's life under the influence of grief.

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That makes sense and clarifies things, Laura, thanks!



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Glad to be of service. :)

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i thought she killed herself with gas somehow?

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She did; she parked the car in the garage, stuffed a cloth in the tailpipe and turned the engine on. This was the most depressing movie I've ever seen, and the music played at the end made me cry.

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Considered by me the best sensation ever.

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