"Can you tell me the scene in the movie where the Iceman was told that he had to lose the fight to get paroled? "
Well, can YOU point to the scene where he's told straight up that win or lose he'll get what he wants? Ripstein's actual response was "you better get ready".
So neither can point to a straight response either way.
So we have to resort to COMMON SENSE, and everything else going on:
- Ripstein's fight rules are specifically designed to favour Monroe's style and hurt Iceman's. That is a fact not even you can question. So he clearly does NOT want a "straight fight" but one where Iceman will most likely lose.
- If you want the reasons why so, here's a list:
a) no actual rounds (who's gonna tire faster without regular 1 minute rest time, lighter Monroe or heavy puncher Iceman?)
b) only rest, 1 full minute, is between knock downs (who's more likely to get knocked down, swarmer Monroe or brawler Iceman? Obviously Monroe, and this 1 minute rest is meant to keep him going)
c) Who stands to lose more from a broken hand or eye socket due to bare knuckle fight? Obviously Iceman, thus he would be most self-conscious despite being the heavier hitter (Ripstein only relented when realizing how boring bare knuckle fights really were and audience would not bet as much).
d) Getting Iceman paroled won't be free: whatever contacts they have on the parole board WILL want to be paid. You think the mob will pay if they lose money on the fight?
e) the WHOLE POINT of these fights is to make money.
f) Ripstein's boy saying "he only wants a clean fair fight" only extends to not tampering with Iceman's food/water/training/resolve, not with giving Iceman an actual fair fight.
- "Mendy Ripstein wanted a straight up pure fight because he truly believed that Monroe could beat the Iceman." but ONLY under the right circumstances (he says so right there), which must favour Monroe and hurt Iceman. Otherwise he would not have drawn up such specific fighting rules that just so happen to aid Monroe's style and hurt Iceman's.
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fred1239
8 years ago
I don't know if Iceman lost on purpose but I think the loss was a blessing in disguise.Why? because correct me if I'm wrong but I think they showed a scene where a bunch of people put money down on the fight and if he wins all those people would have gotten their money from winning the bet and would talk about it more openly.
Which means the word would have gotten to the media and then the boxing commission who would not let him fight when he gets out.
Lets face it this was a professional boxer that was considered the best in the world in there with common criminals so obviously the media would likely not know anything about Monroe having a boxing background and would spin the story as the Iceman beating down on some random inmate which would likely extend Icemans time there or keep him suspended from the ring even when he gets out.
So yeah blessing in disguise since he lost and they kept it quiet for the sake of his reputation.
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al666940-3
8 years ago
I'm at a loss for words, like trying and failing to point out that the sky is blue to people whom insist it's green.
NOBODY would make much money betting on Iceman for the odds would be 20, 40 to 1 on his favour. The real money was to be made betting on Monroe, the underdog.
It's simple math.
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fred1239
8 years ago
I don't know if youre response was meant for my post but my point was simply that I believe Iceman losing was the best way to go because winning would have ruined his boxing career imo because of the reasons I posted previously.
At the end of the day if I'm Iceman I'd rather take a loss their and be able to come back to my undefeated streak in an official ring.
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al666940-3
8 years ago
Nope, think you're the only one who gets it, not meant for you in particular.
But your reasons for the loss being a blessing in disguise I don't think I buy them:
- Whatever happens while he's in prison won't mean squat for the boxing commission (he already was stripped of his title upon conviction and had his boxing licence revoked, what else can they do? Plus he can always say he was coerced) .
- Win or lose it'll NEVER get out, for it would be the warden's job if it becomes known.
- Since he already was down with taking a fall to secure early parole, there's no lesson to learn at all.
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